Monitor tier list?

[world_peace]

Hi, i've been trying to find something like a "Monitor tier list" for a while, but only found the IPS 240hz one on this board. I hear people talking about good and bad TN panels, how good IPS panels are better than worst TN panels but worse than good TN panels, but they don't specify which panels they are talking about. I think a lot of people would benefit from a megathread like this, where all monitors are stacked up in categories like 144hz TN, 240hz TN, 240hz IPS etc and put into tiers based on their overall performance

[forii]

Best 1080p/240hz IPS = MSI MAG251RX and Asus VG259QM/VG279QM, get one of them and you are good

But since I get my RTX 3080 I need 1440p actually to get full power from GPU.

I actually have almost same FPS on 1440p in COD WARZONE with my 8700k vs 1080p lol

[axaro1]

If you have the budget and you mainly care about the competitive aspect then I highly recommend the XL2546K, motion clarity is better compared to my VG259QM both with Dyac ON/OFF and it has much more OSD customization.
The tradeoff is a bad delta, especially when displaying reds, viewing angles aren't great but still noticeably better than other TNs that I tried.

[Stevie66]

Out of a bunch of IPS 240hz monitors I owned the VG259QM is my keeper, 360hz Asus is on the way maybe(If Amazon ever ships them).

[MrStinkybutt]

I've been wanting to replace my XL2420T (120 Hz version) for ages. Was actually about to pull the trigger on the XL2546K, but I didn't go through it because of it being discontinued immediately after launch.

VG259QM seems like such a good deal as it much more affordable than the XL2546S/K. Even the older BenQ XL2540/46 are more expensive than the VG259QM for me. How much of a difference is there really between IPS and TN for competitive shooters?

[axaro1]

VG259QM seems like such a good deal as it much more affordable than the XL2546S/K. Even the older BenQ XL2540/46 are more expensive than the VG259QM for me. How much of a difference is there really between IPS and TN for competitive shooters?

I tried both the VG259QM and the XL2546K, there is absolutely no difference in input lag (Maybe the Asus is slightly more responsive than the Benq at 280hz).

The difference in motion clarity is IMO noticeable, if I had to rate the Benq as 10/10 in this regard the Asus is probably 7.5/10.

Color accuracy is better on the Asus, I'm still waiting for a good icc profile on the Benq since all shades of red/pink/magenta are miles away from the target even if you use the icm profile in the XL2546k drivers (I'll probably wait for RTings review to try a decent profile).

VRR is surprisingly great on the Benq, much better than on the Asus which is known for having a bad Adaptive Sync implementation, other 240hz IPS perform better on this regard.

The OSD on the Benq has much more customization and Dyac+ is superior to ELMB-Sync in terms of brightness, motion clarity and crosstalk.

The Benq comes at a higher price, other 240hz TN can probably perform at a similar level in terms of motion clarity at a lower price but if you want to use the best strobing mode then it's 100% worth the premium price, recoil control is so easy with Dyac+ and even games like Overwatch benefit from it due to the fast paced nature of the game, it helps processing every piece of information.

[MrStinkybutt]

VG259QM seems like such a good deal as it much more affordable than the XL2546S/K. Even the older BenQ XL2540/46 are more expensive than the VG259QM for me. How much of a difference is there really between IPS and TN for competitive shooters?

I tried both the VG259QM and the XL2546K, there is absolutely no difference in input lag (Maybe the Asus is slightly more responsive than the Benq at 280hz).

The difference in motion clarity is IMO noticeable, if I had to rate the Benq as 10/10 in this regard the Asus is probably 7.5/10.

Color accuracy is better on the Asus, I'm still waiting for a good icc profile on the Benq since all shades of red/pink/magenta are miles away from the target even if you use the icm profile in the XL2546k drivers (I'll probably wait for RTings review to try a decent profile).

VRR is surprisingly great on the Benq, much better than on the Asus which is known for having a bad Adaptive Sync implementation, other 240hz IPS perform better on this regard.

The OSD on the Benq has much more customization and Dyac+ is superior to ELMB-Sync in terms of brightness, motion clarity and crosstalk.

The Benq comes at a higher price, other 240hz TN can probably perform at a similar level in terms of motion clarity at a lower price but if you want to use the best strobing mode then it's 100% worth the premium price, recoil control is so easy with Dyac+ and even games like Overwatch benefit from it due to the fast paced nature of the game, it helps processing every piece of information.

Very helpful post, thanks! I'm on the fence of either of these monitors, but I'll wait for black friday sales to perhaps get a better deal. BenQ Xl2546K is 1200 DKK (~ 225 USD) more expensive than the VG259QM in my country.

[drjackmann]

Very helpful post, thanks! I'm on the fence of either of these monitors, but I'll wait for black friday sales to perhaps get a better deal. BenQ Xl2546K is 1200 DKK (~ 225 USD) more expensive than the VG259QM in my country.

I have a strong suspicion that you won't see any BF deals on the XL2546k but I definitely think it's worth the extra money if your top priority is motion clarity / competitive fast-paced gaming. If you value things other than that, save the extra money you'd spend on the BenQ and get one of the 1ms IPS panels.

[RLCSContender*]

VG259QM seems like such a good deal as it much more affordable than the XL2546S/K. Even the older BenQ XL2540/46 are more expensive than the VG259QM for me. How much of a difference is there really between IPS and TN for competitive shooters?

I tried both the VG259QM and the XL2546K, there is absolutely no difference in input lag (Maybe the Asus is slightly more responsive than the Benq at 280hz).

The difference in motion clarity is IMO noticeable, if I had to rate the Benq as 10/10 in this regard the Asus is probably 7.5/10.

Color accuracy is better on the Asus, I'm still waiting for a good icc profile on the Benq since all shades of red/pink/magenta are miles away from the target even if you use the icm profile in the XL2546k drivers (I'll probably wait for RTings review to try a decent profile).

VRR is surprisingly great on the Benq, much better than on the Asus which is known for having a bad Adaptive Sync implementation, other 240hz IPS perform better on this regard.

The OSD on the Benq has much more customization and Dyac+ is superior to ELMB-Sync in terms of brightness, motion clarity and crosstalk.

The Benq comes at a higher price, other 240hz TN can probably perform at a similar level in terms of motion clarity at a lower price but if you want to use the best strobing mode then it's 100% worth the premium price, recoil control is so easy with Dyac+ and even games like Overwatch benefit from it due to the fast paced nature of the game, it helps processing every piece of information.

7.5/10

are you serious? i 100% disagree

because based off my tests, the VG259QM has by far the best overall motion clarity. Yes, even with strobing on, the vg259qm's ELMB-sync has 100x better overall motion clarity than the Benq's DYAC.;

also, at 280hz, it has 15% less motion blur. Asymmetrical blur is non-existent (extremely difficult to spot)


Although this is your opinion, could u please elaborate to me why u rated it a 7.5/10

[axaro1]

7.5/10

are you serious? i 100% disagree
also,at 280hz, it has 15% less motion blur . Asymmetrical blur is non-existent (extremely difficult to spot)


Although this is your opinion, could u please elaborate to me why u rated it a 7.5/10

Technically it has 15% less blur at 280hz but I'd argue that the Asus looks better at 240hz due to G2G staying inside the window more often compared to 280hz, 280hz looks definitely worse than the Benq at 240hz.

It doesn't matter how fast it refreshes if it can't keep up with the refresh rate, I'd 100% pick a 3.3ms G2G 180hz monitor over a 3.3ms G2G 240hz monitor.
You can compensate a slight increase input lag with muscle memory but you cannot compensate the lack of motion clarity, my XG2402(2.9ms G2G TN) looked much clearer than the VG259QM even though it's not as smooth.

If I compare 240hz vs 280hz on my Asus the ufotest is slightly more defined in some specific transitions and it produces more smear in some others, especially dark transitions, I truly have no idea why you argue that asymmetrical blur is non-existent, it's quite the opposite.

I rated the VG259QM 7.5/10 in motion clarity because compared to the Benq it struggles in G2G, fast movements cause colors to be just an approximation of the color target since the panel can't keep up with the refresh rate.

This is very noticeable during 1440 and 1920 pixel per seconds ufotests (which from my experience are more realistic than 960pps if you rely on fast target switching/flicks/tracking during fps games, or even scrolling around the map in a MOBA).

The Asus looks like the Benq with AMA OFF in dark transitions and something inbetween OFF and High in brighter ones.

When you enable High or Premium on the Benq and run something like Frog Pursuit (so you can compare more color transitions at the same time on different backgrounds) you realize that the Benq is much cleaner, it truly translate in a better experience ingame, everything looks smoother and more defined

because based off my tests, the VG259QM has by far the best overall motion clarity. Yes, even with strobing on, the vg259qm's ELMB-sync has 100x better overall motion clarity than the Benq's DYAC.;

I don't know if you are serious or joking, Dyac+ beats ELMB-sync hands down and I'm not talking just about brightness.
I'm talking about crosstalk and strobe timing.

Let me give you an example:

https://www.testufo.com/blurtrail#foreg ... ration=500

try running this at 10 pixels per frame and tell me how many lines of afterimages you see on the Asus, I see 5 lines on the VG259QM and 2 on the Benq(with the only afterimage looking like the 5th faintest line on the Asus).

Don't forget to switch off Adaptive Sync, don't get me started on how bad it looks with double pulse strobing on the Asus( Really, asus?), you could probably see 10 lines.

My experience with strobing on the Asus is exactly what A5hun described in "How LCD Response Times are Measured, and Why 10% to 90% GtG Measurements are Moderately Deceptive", more precisely here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZUgKp ... .be&t=1075

I don't want to be the guy trashing 240hz IPS, these panels are definitely trying to close the gap with TNs but after trying one of the best 240hz IPS vs one of the best 240hz TN I cannot go back to the Asus, I'm a really competitive player and I can't downgrade in motion clarity, especially since it was the only reason why I wanted a 240hz monitor in the first place.

Get your hands on the XL2546K(or the S) and let me know how it compares to the Asus, trust me it will change your mind.