Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by jorimt » 06 Jan 2021, 18:33

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 18:17
Not sure how this will pan out but I tried the tool when windows update was downloading the driver again, the tool identified the driver, I selected to hide it. That worked. I rebooted, windows started downloading the driver again, I ran the tool, the tool didn't find the driver, the driver installed. I had to uninstall the driver again. It reverted back to 441.41. I ran the tool several more times. Rebooted, ran the tool several more times, and it hasn't found anything. I'm back to 441.41 but I'm not sure how long this will last.
Ouch. I'd say that's unusual behavior, but I wouldn't know for certain, as I personally keep my Nvidia drivers up-to-date, and I clean uninstall them via DDU in safe mode every time, and the DDU Windows Update option prevents it from installing it's own version of the Nvidia driver after restart so I can install the latest myself. I've got it down to about a 7-10m process.

It does seem like you're Windows install is being particularly stubborn about forcing Nvidia driver updates though.
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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 06 Jan 2021, 18:44

jorimt wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 18:33
BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 18:17
Not sure how this will pan out but I tried the tool when windows update was downloading the driver again, the tool identified the driver, I selected to hide it. That worked. I rebooted, windows started downloading the driver again, I ran the tool, the tool didn't find the driver, the driver installed. I had to uninstall the driver again. It reverted back to 441.41. I ran the tool several more times. Rebooted, ran the tool several more times, and it hasn't found anything. I'm back to 441.41 but I'm not sure how long this will last.
Ouch. I'd say that's unusual behavior, but I wouldn't know for certain, as I personally keep my Nvidia drivers up-to-date, and I clean uninstall them via DDU in safe mode every time. I've got it down to about a 7-10m process.

It does seem like you're Windows install is being particularly stubborn about forcing Nvidia driver updates though.
It's odd. The update came out of no where. I knew the NVIDIA driver was in the optional section of Windows Update but I knew I didn't want it and was sorta scared it would install. Thanks for the help, I hope the Windows tool will hinder and keep the optional NVIDIA driver absent from Optional Download,

Cheers!

p.s. I bet i'll be back soon with the same problem, lol

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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by jorimt » 06 Jan 2021, 19:00

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 18:44
p.s. I bet i'll be back soon with the same problem, lol
Ha, np, fingers crossed...
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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by MatrixQW » 16 Mar 2021, 23:46

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 11:39
EDIT: is there a simple registry edit, or windows service to disable, instead of using DDU?
You can use the registry and Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) with two methods, independently and combined.

1. Disables updates for all devices (independent):
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disa ... windows-10

2. Disables updates per device (combined):
https://www.howtogeek.com/263851/how-to ... c-drivers/

The second method has three issues.
First, prevents automatic and manual updates.
Second, if you disable the policy or set 'Not Configured', all IDs from all devices you added will be deleted. If you’ve got IDs for multiple devices, leave the policy 'on' and remove the IDs for the device you want.
Third, drivers are still downloaded, just not installed. To avoid this you need to use method one also.

The Microsoft tool "Show or Hide Updates" will only block a specific driver version. If you hide Nvidia 441.41 and a newer version gets to Windows Update, it will be installed.

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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 17 Mar 2021, 01:06

MatrixQW wrote:
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You can use the registry and Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) with two methods, independently and combined.
Good tip, MatrixQW!

Normally I prefer auto install due to security holes, hackers, ransomware, and password-stealer malware (it's a cruel world out there) -- so many security holes in drivers that are exploited by hackers.

However, 441.41 isn't that old! And the way some driver features feel like downgrades or create incompatibility issues -- there are indeed legit reasons where I'd like to loiter on a driver version for a while. A driver performs much better with a specific game and its mode (e.g. FSE/Borderless/VRR/etc). One Blur Busters use case is to benchmark and test/develop with different driver versions, without worrying about auto-update wrecking a workflow.

I wish graphics driver-autoupdate was more easily configurable, though. Switching driver versions on a button press would have been so lovely for a lot of my use cases, like comparing latency of two different drivers...
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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by Falkentyne » 17 Mar 2021, 01:39

Remember to consider using "NVCleanInstall" (you can get it from techpowerup) on your driver packages to get rid of some of the Telemetry and bloatware!

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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 07 May 2021, 07:48

So now windows is including an update that is breaking AMD machines. I am looking for the tool I had to stop the forced update of Nvidia drivers to block this AMD scsi update and I can't seem to find it. I have the saved links but I am not seeing the same thing on the windows page. I might have saved the file, anyone remember what the file was called that stopped the update?
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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 07 May 2021, 09:54

This was the name of the file, but I don't see it in the links it was provided in and I can't find it on my machine (I think I kept it?)

wushowhide.diagcab

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Re: Been using 441.41 Nvidia drivers. Windows just forced driver 456.71?

Post by jorimt » 07 May 2021, 10:05

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
07 May 2021, 09:54
This was the name of the file, but I don't see it in the links it was provided in and I can't find it on my machine (I think I kept it?)

wushowhide.diagcab
Microsoft appears to have recently removed the download link for unknown reasons. You can re-download it here (or search your computer for the file name):
https://web.archive.org/web/20190208013 ... de.diagcab
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