ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 05 May 2022, 16:35

illuwa wrote:
04 May 2022, 21:45
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
25 Apr 2022, 15:58
It's an out-of-bounds exception error -- thank you for reporting this.

This is caused by DDC values being out of range.

TEMPORARY FIX OPTIONS
(A) To fix this, run Entech SoftMCCS and reset the extended DDC values back to 0, before reloading ViewSonic Strobe Utility;
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(B) Another workaround is to temporarily edit ViewSonicStrobeUtility.ini and set maximum value to 255. Once done, launch, slide all values to 0, exit, and restore the old copy of ViewSonicStrobeUtility.ini. It will then function normally again.

This is already fixed in the next version of Strobe Utility. Out-of-range DDC values sometimes occur after a monitor firmware upgrade or a factory reset -- this creates the conditions to crash ViewSonic Strobe Utility.
Hi, I just wanted to post an update on this. Monitor still has been unable to adjust a majority of the settings, with the brightness seemingly shifting by itself when in use. No fixes seen to work even after trying to reset every part of the monitor that I can find. Something seems tangled up on the software end of my PC, because it functions fine when plugged into my laptop. Sorry to ask again, I might have to just reach out to Viewsonic and see if they have a solution.
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Remember enabling VRR or PureXP (or selecting certain profiles) will disable some picture adjustments. You can try turning FreeSync OFF in monitor, and turn GSYNC OFF in NVIDIA Control Panel, and select one of the custom profiles, to get access to more adjustments

If your problem is that the settings grays out randomly enables/disables erratically to no pattern, it may be automatic mode switching that is happening more often on one computer:
Remember that things like:

- Switching refresh rates
- Switching GSYNC on/off all the time (common problem: GSYNC=OFF in Windows, GSYNC=ON in games)
- Switching resolutions
- Switching ports (different port on GPU or different port on monitor)

Can activate a different picture settings profile on some monitors, which can confuse things. Different GPUs (e.g. AMD versus NVIDIA) can do more switching than usual.

To try to calm the settings-switching down:
- Always use the same GSYNC setting (on or off) in all apps (Windowed and fullscreen).
- Always use the same refresh rate in all apps
- Always use the same resolution in all apps
- Always use the same ToastyX setting in all apps (if you use QFT tricks)
- Don't keep switching multimonitor settings
- Don't keep switching ports on either GPU or monitor

You can start afresh by resetting your driver settings / reinstalling drivers / uninstalling ToastyX settings (reset-all.exe).

If you need more flexibility, you can also try modifying a custom profile and selecting that custom profile.

Most of the time it's not a problem as you should have less hassle, but hopefully this helps you narrow down a computer-specific problem because graphics drivers are sometimes capable of automatically changing a setting (e.g. GSYNC=ON) that automatically disables certain picture settings.
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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 05 May 2022, 16:46

AquariusLuLu wrote:
25 Apr 2022, 19:54
Hey Chief,

I’ve tried asking this question to the community on this forum a few times regarding monitor settings for the XG2431 in regards to console gaming at 60FPS (apex legends). I’ve tried blur at 0 and everything looks kinda rough as well as light PureXp and it seems a little off when I quickly move left/right/up/down. Any recommendations for someone who plays fps games on console? Thanks and hope to hear from you.
Solution: Use FrameRate = Hz

IMPORTANT: Do not use raw uncalibrated VSYNC OFF if you hate stutter

Yes, yes, VSYNC OFF adds lag, but VSYNC OFF can be "visual garbage" for stutter-free jitter-free strobing.

The problem is strobing amplifies stutters and jitters because there is no motion blur to hide stutters and jitters. Fix Them

Find a way to emulate VSYNC ON, but at lower input lag.

Use one of the framerate=Hz methods:
1. Use VSYNC ON. Easiest, bug laggiest.
2. Use VSYNC ON + NULL. Still very easy, and lower lag.
3. Use HOWTO: Low Lag VSYNC ON. Slightly harder but still easy.
4. Use Windows app: RTSS Scanline Sync (Tearingless Stutterless VSYNC OFF) (anticheat approved, yay!)
5. Use Windows app: Special K Latent Sync (Tearingless Stutterless VSYNC OFF) (not yet anticheat approved, unfortunately)
6. If you can tolerate tearing but hate stutters, use VSYNC OFF + RTSS decimal frame rate cap exactly matching www.testufo.com/refreshrate -- May need to RTSS because it's more decimal-accurate than in-game frame rate cap.
(Warning: #6 will create semi-stationary tearline, but at stutters & jitters disappear if GPU load falls below ~75%-ish.)

Additional recommendation:
A. Use Razer 8KHz mouse to eliminate strobed jitters during panning. Use at least 2000Hz for your mouse.
B. Lower your refresh rate if GPU cannot reach framerate=Hz. 120fps perfect stutterfree looks better than 240Hz stuttery.
C. To reduce latency of lower refresh rates, use QFT tricks to reduce lag of lower Hz.
(e.g. 120Hz refresh cycles displayed in 1/240sec via Quick Frame Transport VT2250)

IMPORTANT: Start testing only the easiest methods first. The scanline sync methods #4 or #5 are sometimes difficult and finicky (RTSS or Special K) requires the GPU to only be 50% processing in order to be successful. So you need to do 200-300fps (at 100% GPU) during raw uncapped VSYNC OFF in order to successfully do perfect 120fps 120Hz stutterfree tearingfree PureXP. Also, QFT makes scanline sync methods easier by making it easier to hide the tearline in a super-large blanking interval offscreen between refresh cycles.

Best Kept Esports Secret For Blur Busters Educated Professionals

Two years ago, before the XG2431, a panning-dependent RTS esports player (eye tracking during panning RTS) messaged me that they won championship prize money when they utilized a lower refresh rate with a strobed display, combined with RTSS Scanline Sync, for the lowest possible latency method of a "perfect VSYNC ON clone" recommended for better-than-CRT strobing.

It's very hard without enough computer skill, to clone low VSYNC OFF latency into a "clone of VSYNC ON at low lag", without tearing and jitters, but it's possible at a lower refresh rate with those "low-Hz-latency-reducing" tricks. The prize money was won in one of the RTS game (I forgot if it was DOTA2 or LoL). Most esports players don't have enough tweaking skills to pull this off, so this remains a best-kept-secret even to this date.

Stutter is Same Thing As Erratic Latency

They're exactly the same thing. The worse the stutter, the worse erraticness the lag is. Some games gets better esports scores if you've got perfect-lag-consistency, instead of low-but-erratic latency. That's why Hz-lowering sometimes works for certain games where you are eye-tracking all over the screen (games that don't have a crosshairs) -- like DOTA, LoL, Rocket League, and other crosshairsless games that benefit from this best-kept esports secret.

Don't Forget To Fix Mouse Jitters Too!

- Use true 2000Hz setting. Even 2000Hz is 90% as good as 8000Hz, but uses 75% less CPU in mouse driver.
- 1000Hz mice is sometimes not smooth enough for jitter-free strobing.
- Not all games work well at >1000Hz poll, so your mileage will vary.
- Not all computers work well at >1000Hz poll, so tweak as needed.
(e.g. Some tricks are available such as PCIe USB card that works better than bad motherboard USB ports)

It is already scientifically proven by a researcher that 1000Hz is not enough for computer mice.
1000Hz can randomize the step size between mouse cursor (or panning steps, or scrolling steps) = jittery LoL pans!

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But it actually becomes much worse than the above in real world LoL because different refresh rates & strobing can also amplify the visibility of jitter randomization.
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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Discorz » 06 May 2022, 03:42

I can imagine how big chunk of gamers underutilize blur reduction due to incorrect setup. It can be rather confusing and hard to do correctly. We need VRR STROBING to at least partially solve this!
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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 06 May 2022, 17:57

Oh, good news -- RTINGS just purchased the ViewSonic XG2431 after it won Suggest-a-Monitor!

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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Angel Soler » 08 May 2022, 12:26

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 May 2022, 17:57
Oh, good news -- RTINGS just purchased the ViewSonic XG2431 after it won Suggest-a-Monitor!



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Great!!! 💪💪☺️☺️

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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by sodafly » 10 May 2022, 08:22

I switched from this monitor to a 1440p 240hz IPS monitor because of the eye strain issues and have been using this new monitor for about a week now and have had ZERO issues with my eyes or any kind of fatigue so anyone who was having issues with their xg2431 and eye strain might be better off with another IPS pannel. I tried everything on my xg2431 to fix it and nothing worked, even with the brighness at almost 0. Amazon did not care about me returning the monitor though (bought from US amazon and I am in EU) and they offered me a full refund anyway and allowed me to keep the monitor so now its just sat in a box sadly.

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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Boomchakadah » 10 May 2022, 23:01

sodafly wrote:
10 May 2022, 08:22
I switched from this monitor to a 1440p 240hz IPS monitor because of the eye strain issues and have been using this new monitor for about a week now and have had ZERO issues with my eyes or any kind of fatigue so anyone who was having issues with their xg2431 and eye strain might be better off with another IPS pannel. I tried everything on my xg2431 to fix it and nothing worked, even with the brighness at almost 0. Amazon did not care about me returning the monitor though (bought from US amazon and I am in EU) and they offered me a full refund anyway and allowed me to keep the monitor so now its just sat in a box sadly.
I returned mine yesterday because of eye strain issues too.
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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Discorz » 11 May 2022, 04:32

sodafly wrote:
10 May 2022, 08:22
I switched from this monitor to a 1440p 240hz IPS monitor because of the eye strain issues and have been using this new monitor for about a week now and have had ZERO issues with my eyes or any kind of fatigue so anyone who was having issues with their xg2431 and eye strain might be better off with another IPS pannel. I tried everything on my xg2431 to fix it and nothing worked, even with the brighness at almost 0. Amazon did not care about me returning the monitor though (bought from US amazon and I am in EU) and they offered me a full refund anyway and allowed me to keep the monitor so now its just sat in a box sadly.
That's a shame. Its interesting because this monitor doesn't use pwm dimming and you disabled PureXP.

But hey u can always send it here in Croatia. :)
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Re: ViewSonic XG2431 Discussion Thread [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS with Best Strobing]

Post by Crazyness » 11 May 2022, 05:02

That's a shame. Its interesting because this monitor doesn't use pwm dimming and you disabled PureXP.

But hey u can always send it here in Croatia. :)
2late my friend,i already submitted an offer :)

and why dont you ask Chief 2 send you 1..
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Post by Discorz » 11 May 2022, 12:39

Crazyness wrote:
11 May 2022, 05:02
2late my friend,i already submitted an offer :)

and why dont you ask Chief 2 send you 1..
@the-end-of-the-day you are VIP arent you :P
Lol, he better send one to Ashun from Aperture Grille. ;)
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