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Axaion wrote: ↑

29 Mar 2021, 17:39

Well, i poked them on twitter at least for eu stock, but i almost never use it so doubt theyll read it lol

hope we get it regardless tho.. would be strange if we didnt.. but would also suck if it we didnt heh

You can also poke them via twitter-replying to this tweet, which tags @ViewSonicGaming and @ViewSonic.

If you already tweeted, you can quote-tweet your solo tweet as a reply to it.

www.twitter.com/BlurBusters/status/1376639273798107138

Chief I'd prefer a 27" as I like larger screens but if this can Single Strobe at 60hz like you've been working so hard to get implemented, I may grab it and try it out.

Falkentyne wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2021, 16:09

Chief I'd prefer a 27" as I like larger screens but if this can Single Strobe at 60hz like you've been working so hard to get implemented, I may grab it and try it out.

It does single strobe at 60 Hz, yes!

It’s one of the mandatory criteria of Blur Busters Approved 2.0

Falkentyne wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2021, 16:09

Chief I'd prefer a 27" as I like larger screens but if this can Single Strobe at 60hz like you've been working so hard to get implemented, I may grab it and try it out.

Same for me. I would prefer a 27" monitor, but if this XG2431 can single strobe at 60Hz and has better quality than my current BenQ XL2411P (which I'm sure it will, given that it is tuned by Blur Busters) I will buy it in a heartbeat.

60Hz single strobe on 60fps games is a thing of beauty. It looks and feels sooooo much better to play than without single strobe at 60Hz. It connects me to the game world in a way that is hard to convey with words. I also prefer 30fps console games on a 60Hz strobed display (or any impulse-driven CRT or plasma display) over sample and hold displays. I know that there is the double image artifact that makes it less than ideal, but that only becomes super obvious with fast spinning and panning movements and I still find the overall motion quality to be much clearer than on sample and hold displays. So, given that we can't change the fact that there will continue to be some console games that run at 30fps (I play everything else on PC) 60Hz single strobing is still the best option we have for those games. It's the reason I held on to my Sony XBR960 widescreen CRT TV up until now. 30fps console games look better on that TV than any other display I have ever owned or used.

Do we know if the XG2431 is dimmer when using it's motion blur tech? That strobe utility screenshot is ridiculous. I'm going to return this BenQ now and buy the XG2431 instead if it isn't dimmed!

Eh, replied on twitter to your post, i hardly ever use it though, but i guess the more comments the better

UNKKit wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2021, 11:52

Do we know if the XG2431 is dimmer when using it's motion blur tech? That strobe utility screenshot is ridiculous. I'm going to return this BenQ now and buy the XG2431 instead if it isn't dimmed!

Well, I'm sure it will be dimmer, unless they're somehow driving the LED backlight harder during the strobing mode. Otherwise, it will always be dimmer, since your screen is essentially turned off for part of the time.

I understand that the strobing modes will generally lose a lot of brightness, I just wish they would still give us decent brightness in strobing mode. I mean, I think after I calibrated my BenQ XL2411P in the single strobe mode at 60Hz I only got something like 39 cd/m² and that's with the panel brightness turned all the way up.

If I could get near 100 cd/m² while using a duty cycle that gives around 75% blur reduction it would be awesome. I think I'm using a duty cycle setting of 08 on my XL2411P monitor.

If you're going to put a high quality strobing or BFI feature in your monitor--first of all, it's really appreciated--but just make sure you have enough brightness overhead to still give enough brightness in the strobing modes.

Vote for a ViewSonic XG2431 review on RTINGS: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/suggestions
Type monitor name in search box to find it.
I contacted them to put it on a list so we could get it reviewed as soon as possible. Lets get those votes.

Discorz wrote: ↑

06 Apr 2021, 08:56

Vote for a ViewSonic XG2431 review on RTINGS: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/suggestions
Type monitor name in search box to find it.
I contacted them to put it on a list so we could get it reviewed as soon as possible. Lets get those votes.

That was quick — there is already 19 votes. Needs at least 100+ votes.

One neat thing about this model is that it is Blur Busters Approved out of the box — no need to wait for a firmware upgrade first.

The RTINGS methodology is a bit boilerplate as they will usually photo only max-Hz strobing, where I’d like to see them modify methodology to show pursuits at multiple BFI Hz. However, since XG2431 supports 60Hz single strobe, it will rate high.

SaberEdge wrote: ↑

03 Apr 2021, 14:54

UNKKit wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2021, 11:52

Do we know if the XG2431 is dimmer when using it's motion blur tech? That strobe utility screenshot is ridiculous. I'm going to return this BenQ now and buy the XG2431 instead if it isn't dimmed!

Well, I'm sure it will be dimmer, unless they're somehow driving the LED backlight harder during the strobing mode. Otherwise, it will always be dimmer, since your screen is essentially turned off for part of the time.

I understand that the strobing modes will generally lose a lot of brightness, I just wish they would still give us decent brightness in strobing mode. I mean, I think after I calibrated my BenQ XL2411P in the single strobe mode at 60Hz I only got something like 39 cd/m² and that's with the panel brightness turned all the way up.

If I could get near 100 cd/m² while using a duty cycle that gives around 75% blur reduction it would be awesome. I think I'm using a duty cycle setting of 08 on my XL2411P monitor.

If you're going to put a high quality strobing or BFI feature in your monitor--first of all, it's really appreciated--but just make sure you have enough brightness overhead to still give enough brightness in the strobing modes.

PureXP+ on XG2431 now lets you adjust strobe duty cycle in 1% increments from 1% to 40% of a refresh cycle under “PureXP+ Custom”. I can get significantly over 200 nits easily at 40%, so it does exceed 100 nits at 25% duty cycle, considering XG2431 supports humongous Vertical Totals (VT4500 was successfully tested at 60Hz) which gives enough time for relatively crosstalk-free 25% duty cycle at the lower refresh rates.

There is a light amount of voltage boosted strobing, not too excessive to burn out the LED’s, but exceeds 100 nits at 25% duty cycle.

PureXP+ Ultra = 10% duty cycle
PureXP+ Extreme = 20% duty cycle
PureXP+ Normal = 30% duty cycle
PureXP+ Light = 40% duty cycle
PureXP+ Custom = adjustable in 1% increments from 1% to 40% (via Strobe Utility)

It is always a brightness-vs-MPRT/persistence tradeoff for all strobed monitors, even DyAc gets dim if you adjust pulse width down (MPRT) in the BenQ variant of Strobe Utility. MPRTs can get as low as approx ~0.1ms albiet very dim, while MPRTs of 25% refresh cycle (4ms at 60Hz, 1ms at 240Hz) will be quite usable at triple digit nits. A 25% duty cycle requires the “Custom” setting, of course. The wide custom adjustable-MPRT range means you can strobe brighter (and slightly less clear), or strobe briefer dimmer (but clearer) — you choose the tradeoff.

A lot of old LightBoost fans -- from almost ten years ago -- used the LightBoost 10% feature (see LightBoost 10% vs 50% vs 100%), but that was strobe length duty cycles only down to 1ms MPRT persistence, where the XG2431 can go all the way down to approximately one-tenth of persistence of LightBoost 10% if you wanted.

Also, this is a variable-scanrate panel (aka low-Hz friendly), so this is low-lag for gaming consoles too — one of the lowest-lag 60Hz and 120Hz capability I’ve seen in any 240Hz 1ms FastIPS panel.