Re: [Blur Busters Approved XG2431 - 24" 240Hz IPS] ViewSonic unveils monitors for 2021 (The new 240Hz 24" king?)
Posted: 19 Apr 2021, 07:14
69 votes for the XG2431, nice
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This is all truly excellent. It honestly sounds like my perfect monitor. Or, at least, the closest thing we can reasonably expect with today's technology. One thing I'm curious about is whether it can single strobe at 50Hz? I know that to many people 50Hz strobing might seem like it would be too flickery, but PAl content flickered at 50Hz on CRTs. It would be useful for that kind of content, or even for games where you can manage to maintain your framerate above 50fps but not above 60fps. I'm not sensitive to flicker and I usually sit several feet away from my monitors and use them more like little TVs than the typical desktop usage. Blur, however, really bothers me. I'm just wondering if this would be possible.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑19 Apr 2021, 01:51This feature has not been tested, but I will test it within the next internal validation session (testing PVT firmware).SixelAlexiS wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 04:51Hi Chief!
I'm really curious about this monitor so I have a couple of questions, don't know if you can answer them:
-Do we know if this monitor support 4K 60HZ signals on consoles like it does the Benq EX2510?
It is a very competitive relative to other 240 Hz IPS and top-end 240 Hz TN monitors. Not as cheap as the cheapest 240 Hz, but not the most expensive 240 Hz either.
Which is great, because this is the world’s most flexible 240 Hz strobed IPS — nothing else can do any-Hz single strobe, console+PC compatible. Making this the most console-optimized 240 Hz monitor ever (so far)
As an expectation-setting move, nonstrobed won’t go as super-dim as a Mac monitor at 1% brightness setting. But I did get them to extend the minimum brightness range to what this particular PWM-free panel allows. Plus PureXP+ Custom also kind of solves the problem:SixelAlexiS wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 04:51This is too specific and probably need to wait for reviews but I try: do we know the minimum brightness value of the screen when in FreeSync/G-Sync mode? I suppose you will have lower (and adjustable) values while using ULMB or such but I'm interested on the minimum nits value without using that function.
The good news is strobed has a much wider brightness adjustment range than XG270 when you use the “Custom” setting of PureXP. It gives you 40 notches of brightness adjustment range in the brightness-vs-clarity tradeoff of a pulse width adjustment. The dimmest strobe and the brightest strobe is a 40x brightness difference — Pulse Width 1% versus Pulse Width 40%. The moderate voltage boost means Pulse Width 40% is almost as bright as Pulse Width 100% (aka strobing = OFF).
While Pulse Width 1% is extremely dim - much dimmer than Brightness 0% of non-strobed. So you can use Strobe Utility system tray as essentially a defacto wide-range brightness adjustment by readjusting pulse width for the specific game or time of day (daytime vs nighttime). At 240 strobes per second it is sufficiently eye friendly enough to keep on permanently for many people — depending on how flicker sensitive you are (especially versus motion blur eyestrain)
This expectations-guiding move is intended to show, that some of us agree that brightness ranges (of nonstrobed) is not sufficiently wide enough in many panels — it is a hardware limitation as dimmer settings is not possible on this panel in a PWM-free mode. But conveniently PureXP+ is an optional “blur-friendly PWM mode”, wihch means you can get the panel even dimmer if you wished.
PureXP+ Custom 1% is 40x dimmer than PureXP+ Custom 40% — you’ve got a REALLY wide brightness adjustment range via PureXP+ Custom. The brightest setting I am able to get exceeds 200 nits at 40% setting (Light) at 120Hz, while the dimmest setting is 1/40th the brightness at 1% setting. Estimated production ballpark would be 200-250 nits strobing for PureXP 40% setting, with the other settings progressively dimmer. Please note, panel variances apply and reviewers will reveal the final behaviors — hopefully they haven’t tweaked the voltage boost too much between my prototype and the final. The goldilocks setting of brighter strobe without wearing out backlight LEDs. I am _pretty_ sure it will stay above 200 nits at the 40% setting.
As a very likely strobe favourite 240Hz IPS panel now — nobody else is strobing this flexibly in 240Hz IPS. Plus the bonus of low console input lag, a rarity in 240 Hz panels.
Due to a hardware limitation (the panel runs at 100Hz internally to do 50Hz), it cannot strobe 50Hz, single or double or otherwise.SaberEdge wrote: ↑19 Apr 2021, 11:02This is all truly excellent. It honestly sounds like my perfect monitor. Or, at least, the closest thing we can reasonably expect with today's technology. One thing I'm curious about is whether it can single strobe at 50Hz? I know that to many people 50Hz strobing might seem like it would be too flickery, but PAl content flickered at 50Hz on CRTs. It would be useful for that kind of content, or even for games where you can manage to maintain your framerate above 50fps but not above 60fps. I'm not sensitive to flicker and I usually sit several feet away from my monitors and use them more like little TVs than the typical desktop usage. Blur, however, really bothers me. I'm just wondering if this would be possible.
Exactly — I am as excited as you are.
These look like organic votes on RTINGS Voting Page for Which Monitor To Review — the counter is increasing slowly as if they’re voted by real users. I rather have real users vote rather than bots or manufacturers. That said, it is fair game for any of you willing Blur Busters fans (who have not voted yet) to vote though because y’all are genuinely interested here.
Yes, its back to normal. Votes are still growing but very slow.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑19 Apr 2021, 15:47These look like organic votes on RTINGS Voting Page for Which Monitor To Review — the counter is increasing slowly as if they’re voted by real users. I rather have real users vote rather than bots or manufacturers. That said, it is fair game for any of you willing Blur Busters fans (who have not voted yet) to vote though because y’all are genuinely interested here.
I’ve never seen votes increase that fast for an unreleased monitor. Whether 69 increases to 420 remains to be seen (to paraphrase a quirky well-known space industry mogul). RTINGs buys organically rather than receive cherrypicked samples from manufacturers.
I’m glad/relieved the preinstalled factory firmware is already Blur Busters Approved strobing. No waiting for a firmware upgrade for XG2431, unlike XG270!
One more step for me — once I get my retail unit (not prototype), I will again re-verify the factory installed the correct firmware — fingers crossed (left hand, right hand) but it is looking VERY good that no firmware update will be needed. Even I go yay!
So should result in higher early RTINGS scores for XG2431 in the strobe category (RTINGS did retest with new firmware eventually and retroactively increase the BFI score for XG270).
Might be the first-ever 10/10 RTINGS score for BFI of a 240Hz panel, who knows? I already know it’ll score higher than any BenQ 240Hz XL series because RTINGS lowers the review score of any panel that cannot do 60Hz single strobe for gaming consoles. I’m excited.
Custom test upon request: 4K worksSixelAlexiS wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 04:51-Do we know if this monitor support 4K 60HZ signals on consoles like it does the Benq EX2510?
Very interesting.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑20 Apr 2021, 08:40Custom test upon request: 4K worksSixelAlexiS wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 04:51-Do we know if this monitor support 4K 60HZ signals on consoles like it does the Benq EX2510?
The 4K 60 Hz is not in the EDID but I used ToasyX to force industry standard 4K 60Hz (HT4400, VT2250) to the XG2431 and..... it works!
NVIDIA Control Panel will refuse to create it, so you must create it in ToastyX using LCD Native timings
I have confirmed the monitor's scaler is capable of 4K input, and downscaling it to 1080p for the panel, so you can input 4K if your external device has a manual method (ignore EDID)
4K 60Hz also works with PureXP+ 60Hz single strobe feature, and works with PureXP+ Custom strobe tuning too. (Note: Large Vertical Totals are untested, but knowing 4K 60Hz = 1080p 240Hz bandwidth-wise, it is not likely to have very much large VT headroom. And consoles generally don't support large vertical totals).
I think youre probably asking this question to soon since its not actually released yet. I would love to know the answer as well though, because I was actually considering the VG259QM myself. I felt like I should wait when I saw the announcement of this viewsonic xg2431 before making a decision though.speancer wrote: ↑21 Apr 2021, 13:34If I don't care that much about strobing or console gaming and I only play Counter-Strike, is there any reason to upgrade from VG259QM (280 Hz fastIPS) to ViewSonic XG2431? VG259QM already has - in my opinion - exceptional motion clarity, I can clearly tell a difference in blur reduction between 240 Hz and 280 Hz, I tested many monitors and this one was my pick. I use it for competitive CS:GO and play well on it. ELMB on the VG259QM is also pretty good if you ask me, but I rather see little benefit from using it in general. I guess XG2431 won't be faster enough in terms of pure GTG and input lag to make any difference to me? Also, the size of XG2431 is a letdown, 24.5" display is a already fairly small (I already sacrificed 27" 1440p to get these high Hz), why would ViewSonic go with just 23.8" size? Not sure I'd want to go even smaller