HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by 1000WATT » 17 Mar 2021, 19:08

Chief Blur Buster wrote: With NVIDIA native chip GSYNC, I’ve seen similar 75fps at 240 Hz VRR on IPS than 75fps at 240 Hz VRR on TN. NVIDIA are pros at great VRR overdrive where the overdrive automatically adjusts in realtime during VRR to keep ghosting/coronas away at all frame rates.
what you say is very strange. Even when using the static gtg overdrive of the best ips of 2021 at 60fps \ 60hz it becomes slightly better than the predecessors ips g-sync 2015. And if you use the dynamic overdrive g-sync 60fps \ 240hz gtg it increases even more than on the same monitor g-sync with vrr turned on but with dynamic overdrive turned off. And if at frequencies of 240 ips and tn they are close in performance to gtg, then with decreasing frequency (hz) the gap between them grows.
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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Max_hz » 18 Mar 2021, 07:12

In mid-2019 I started a search for a new monitor, as a fps player you had little choice and I automatically opted for the TN techniques.
I soon found out that I was lucky with my old "Hanns-G HS233 TN 120hz" (almost no typical TN cons) and that upgrading was not going to be that easy.

From the LG 24LG600 TN 144hz to the ViewSonic XG2402 TN 144hz and finally the X 25f TN 240hz which all showed more or less TN cons that I could no longer accept in 2020.

I know and it has been normal for a long time (also in my circle of friends) if you were looking for a fast monitor you automatically ended up with a TN monitor with the typical cons but you just accepted it as if it belonged to a fast monitor, there was no other choice.

Then I tried the VG259Q IPS 144hz, it was already a lot better in terms of the artifacts but was still behind the TN's speed.
Then the VG259QM was introduced and I bought it in May 2020, this was the first time for me that there was an alternative for a fast TN monitor that I could see as a worthy "upgrade" for my old Hanns-G TN 120hz.

If these new monitors had not yet been available, I probably would have chosen a TN with the TN cons included.

So Chief is certainly right that in 2020/21 there has been a major shift in the choice of a fast monitor and IPS technology has taken a very deserved place in this.

I can imagine that this fact is still difficult to accept for people looking for a fast monitor especially because it was considered normal for a long time that this choice also included the TN cons.

Indeed the panel lottery is still present for both technologies to a greater or lesser extent, but now an alternative has been added that was not there before.
yes I know, IPS is not yet as fast as TN but very close and now we can make a choice in what we find important for our purposes

@speancer wrote;

"I totally agree with you here. I only play CS:GO as well, I've also tested Omen X25f (and a few more TNs) and the level of pixel inversion artifacts on this monitor was unacceptable, just like XL2546 (probably the worst inversion artifacts I've ever seen on this one), I honestly have no idea how people can use these monitors and be ok with an eye-piercing issue like this, not even mentioning the typical TN downsides here (I also get annoyed by that weird blurriness of TN in desktop use). VG259QM is a really solid contender. I was switching between XL2540K, XL2546K and VG259QM lately, and to be honest, I'd still choose the ASUS, as for now. The difference, in my opinion, is just not big enough to justify turning a blind eye on all the TN downsides or on a very high price point of XL2546K. Unless one loves strobing, I'd not really recommend XL2546K, and it also can have pixel inversion issues. One of my two XL2546K's was fine with just minimal (not visible in normal use, only from very close look-up) inversion artifacts, the other one had typical TN inversion issue, clearly visible."

Thank you for your response, and probably not surprising but I agree with you completely in this regard, it seems as if we have faced and taken exactly the same choices, I could no longer accept the TN cons, just like you, but I am happy there is now an alternative available.
In use: Asus VG259QM IPS 240-280hz - Hanns-G HS233 TN 120hz
Used before: LG 24LG600 TN 144hz - HP Omen X 25f TN 240hz - ViewSonic XG2402 TN 144hz - Asus VG259Q IPS 144hz

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Axaion » 18 Mar 2021, 09:26

OWL used the "X 25" not the " X 25f" theyre vastly differently tuned, ive had both, the 25f for me had obvious overshoot, while the x 25 was just near perfect motion performance for 240hz, also had better colors, and gamma tracking.

I -do- have a slightly scuffed testufo shot of the x 25, and a precalibration and post calibration report too.
Alas, i dont have mine anymore, it died.

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by kriegor » 13 Apr 2021, 00:04

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
16 Mar 2021, 16:19
Your signature says you also have a VG259QM IPS panel, which you use now. How does it compare to the X25f in your experience?

My experience is showing that some better-than-average 240+ Hz IPS now outperforms many only-average 240 Hz TN panels, in many important real-world metrics.
Yeah but the X25 is known to be one of the best 240hz TNs?

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Alpha » 14 Apr 2021, 14:11

kriegor wrote:
13 Apr 2021, 00:04
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
16 Mar 2021, 16:19
Your signature says you also have a VG259QM IPS panel, which you use now. How does it compare to the X25f in your experience?

My experience is showing that some better-than-average 240+ Hz IPS now outperforms many only-average 240 Hz TN panels, in many important real-world metrics.
Yeah but the X25 is known to be one of the best 240hz TNs?
I have a X 25F, 259QM, 259QN, X 27. The X 25F is almost a draw with the PG259QN. Its so freaking fast. I'd never guess it was a TN panel. My personal opinion is this monitor is just slept on. My guess would be for the DYAC lovers and TN users going that direction. Regardless, I think I play faster with the X 25F. It may be due to the OSD and the tiny pixel or two for the dot where on the 259QN its way too big I don't know. I wouldn't think twice about buying the 25F. Mine is not blurry, its razer sharp, insane fast, and visually no way to tell its TN to my eyes. 259QN has better color, better contrast (It's close) speed is extremely close. X 27, no mistaking its TN. Its bad. Super fast, terrible image. I preferred my 25F over the 2456.

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Kosvill » 29 Nov 2022, 01:51

This thread is maybe dead but I share my OD 3/4 pictures of x25 f here.

Are these good shots? One of the firsts that I have ever taken...
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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Discorz » 29 Nov 2022, 08:11

Kosvill wrote:
29 Nov 2022, 01:51
This thread is maybe dead but I share my OD 3/4 pictures of x25 f here.

Are these good shots? One of the firsts that I have ever taken...
After choosing good overdrive level try playing with contrast and color settings (RGB MYC). Sometimes this can speed up some of the slower transitions. My old TN AW2518HF did this pretty well. See first row bellow.

AW2518HF, original topic: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6601
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For better quality pursuit try keeping hands more steady when tracking. The black spacing between ticks in Sync Track indicates there was unwanted vertical movement. Additionally move camera away from screen to capture all 3 ufo rows. Usually top one always shows most ghosting while bottom one most overshoot (not necessarily). Although this might make image more blurry if camera is low resolution. For extra info see here: viewtopic.php?p=74863#p74863
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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Kosvill » 29 Nov 2022, 11:14

Discorz wrote:
29 Nov 2022, 08:11
Kosvill wrote:
29 Nov 2022, 01:51
This thread is maybe dead but I share my OD 3/4 pictures of x25 f here.

Are these good shots? One of the firsts that I have ever taken...
After choosing good overdrive level try playing with contrast and color settings (RGB MYC). Sometimes this can speed up some of the slower transitions. My old TN AW2518HF did this pretty well. See first row bellow.

AW2518HF, original topic: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6601
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For better quality pursuit try keeping hands more steady when tracking. The black spacing between ticks in Sync Track indicates there was unwanted vertical movement. Additionally move camera away from screen to capture all 3 ufo rows. Usually top one always shows most ghosting while bottom one most overshoot (not necessarily). Although this might make image more blurry if camera is low resolution. For extra info see here: viewtopic.php?p=74863#p74863
Thanks for a reply! Here is new photos, not perfect but better I think. I keep improving.

Is there hidden service menu on x25 f?

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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 29 Nov 2022, 15:22

[P.S. I'm seeing severe viewing-angle issue here. For hobbyist smartphone pursuit camera -- keep camera closer to normal viewing distance away (not too close). For better stability, hold phone portrait with stiff outstretched arms, with both hands while spinning computer chair -- best not to move hands or arms, just spin computer chair. And done while the smartphone is at the viewing distance where your head normally is.]
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Re: HP omen x25f blur : disappointed

Post by Discorz » 29 Nov 2022, 18:10

The ufo looks better to me. There is less ghosting after contrast adjustment. Almost ghost free. At least at 960pps. That's as good as it gets on this monitor.

Pursuit camera job still isn't at it's best. Seems to be off focus or low resolution. And vertical movement is still present. If u could fix that and use 1/60 shutter speed for 240Hz to capture that one extra refresh (4 tick marks) and fix black clipping in top ufo row that would be great.

Moving smartphone camera even further away from screen would probably result in even less detailed image. But idk, I always prefered closeups for that crispy pixel detail.
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