BenQ XL2546K 240hz vs Alienware AW2521H 360hz

[RestTarRr]

interesting. i am almost 100% sure someone here on the forum returned the monitor and went back to his 144hz monitor cause he could not get the same amount of frags. i have searched just now but could not find it.. maybe it was reddit. ty though for the input!!!

I read similar bullshit here so it's probably the same person. The person was convinced that the IPS was worse than his shitty 144hz even though the IPS had lower input lag, higher refresh rate, better response times compared to his outdated 144hz monitor. There is literally no way his TN was better so I don't know why you took his word as an absolute fact.

[daviddave1]

interesting. i am almost 100% sure someone here on the forum returned the monitor and went back to his 144hz monitor cause he could not get the same amount of frags. i have searched just now but could not find it.. maybe it was reddit. ty though for the input!!!

I read similar bullshit here so it's probably the same person. The person was convinced that the IPS was worse than his shitty 144hz even though the IPS had lower input lag, higher refresh rate, better response times compared to his outdated 144hz monitor. There is literally no way his TN was better so I don't know why you took his word as an absolute fact.

I have no idea what gave u the idea that i took his word as an absolute fact! lol. tnx though for the input. appreciate it.

[daviddave1]

this was the post:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7692

I'm gonna drop an unpopular opinion, 5 months ago I upgraded from an XG2402 (144hz TN, one of the best tuned 144hz monitor) to a VG259QM.
At first I really liked the VG259QM, it was definitely smoother, mostly because it basically doubled the refresh rate (144 to 280).
The input lag was exceptional.
But after a couple of months of playing it became frustrating to play with it, I dropped from 3600 to 2900sr in Overwatch and I was underperforming in every single game.

Trying to find what was the issue bought a new mouse, a new mousepad and a new keyboard, tried every single windows 10 tweak to reduce telemetry and set a 0.5ms system timer before I was able to isolate the issue to the monitor, which I never thought could be the problem since it sounded like a great upgrade on paper.

The issue in my opinion is that the panel is not fast enough in terms of G2G for both 240 and 280hz, this became obvious because my playstyle completely changed, I used to rely a lot on flicks but I completely stopped doing it and I was completely oblivious about what was going on around me during fast paced fights.

When I switched the VG259QM to 144hz I started hitting crazy shots like the ones I used to make with the XG2402 and I started to rely on flicks much more.

This is where it hit me: It's basically impossible for me to have points of reference on enemies during fast movements on the VG259QM when it is set to a high refresh rate, I can't flick because the moment I start flicking I completely lose sight of the enemy, which is something that doesn't happen at lower refresh rates where G2G is always inside the refresh window.

Don't get me wrong, in games where you need to hold an angle like R6s, CSGO or Valorant the low input lag definitely helps for pixel peeking, but it just doesn't feel okay for fast paced movements, especially when you are trying to move left/right to hold two angles at the same time, I either overshoot or undershoot, I can't find points of reference to understand when I'm supposed to stop, which is something that doesn't happen at lower refresh rates.

From my experience ELMB does mitigate this issue but just marginally.

Soon I'm going to receive an XL2546K and I will compare it with the VG259QM.

I've seen a lot of reviews comparing ufotests between IPS and TN and most of these tests show that at 240hz both panels perform very similarly (some people argue that the IPS perform even better in some scenarios) so it could just be me failing to adapt from 144hz to 240/280hz but I truly don't know what to think at this point.

I came from a 2.9ms G2G TN and jumped to a 2.6ms 280hz IPS(with OD120), I think that the 7.2ms refresh window headroom at 144hz was causing the TN to have perfect transitions which resulted in an overall clearer image, but take my words with a grain of salt.

If I end up not enjoying the XL2546K I will feel like an idiot for selling my XG2402.

I need a normalized gamma response curve graph to understand if my theory about G2G on this 240/280hz panel is correct.

[daviddave1]

Yesterday i got the XL2546K: The colors and textures look great . Especially in PUBG and MW. U have a big advantage in spotting enemy's.

But I also play Quake Live. There's a huge difference in the amount of frags I can get with my XG2402 and the XL2546K. On the XL2546K I am just a regular player. Above average at best.

On the XL2546K I had a couple times where my plasma gun just couldn't catch up with the enemy or my mouse movement. I just switched back to the XG2402 and the difference is humongous.
On the XG2402 for example I am 9 of 10 at the top of the list on the servers I usually play. With the XL2546K its something like 3 out of 10. I like Quake Live just for that. It's a game where I am actually good at. I don't wanna give that up.

So unfortunately the XL2546K is going back to the store tomorrow for a refund.

I am going to give the 360hz a try. If its also mediocre @ Quake Live I'm going to stick with the XG2402 until the new Viewsonic 24'' 240 IPS comes out. Around next week the Alienware AW2521H 360hz should arrive. I will keep u guys posted.

[Jeerios]

I've had the AW2521H 360hz for the past 3 months and had a blast so far. I came from a budget 144hz acer monitor and the smoothness and colors on this thing are insane. My tracking and reaction speeds have improved tremendously after spending some time with this monitor, but I noticed I was having trouble flicking in certain situations. For example, whenever someone wide peeks in Valorant, I had a much harder time micro-adjusting to their head and I believe it's due to the trail from motion blur.

I recently ordered an XL2546K and have been playing on it for the past 2 days; not very long, but I already feel it's much easier to flick now. I don't have to focus quite as hard. I have DYAC+ on premium and AMA on High. Of course with games like Valorant or Siege, the 360hz is very comparable with 240hz DYAC+, but for a game like Tarkov where frames are capped lower, the XL2546K definitely wins. Now I'm stuck deciding if I should attempt to sell my 360hz and buy a separate monitor with a fantastic looking panel for when I play games for eye candy lol

[Chief Blur Buster]

I've had the AW2521H 360hz for the past 3 months and had a blast so far. I came from a budget 144hz acer monitor and the smoothness and colors on this thing are insane. My tracking and reaction speeds have improved tremendously after spending some time with this monitor, but I noticed I was having trouble flicking in certain situations. For example, whenever someone wide peeks in Valorant, I had a much harder time micro-adjusting to their head and I believe it's due to the trail from motion blur.

I recently ordered an XL2546K and have been playing on it for the past 2 days; not very long, but I already feel it's much easier to flick now. I don't have to focus quite as hard. I have DYAC+ on premium and AMA on High. Of course with games like Valorant or Siege, the 360hz is very comparable with 240hz DYAC+, but for a game like Tarkov where frames are capped lower, the XL2546K definitely wins. Now I'm stuck deciding if I should attempt to sell my 360hz and buy a separate monitor with a fantastic looking panel for when I play games for eye candy lol

One has the option of running PG259QN 360Hz using 240Hz ELMB. The experience is similar to XL2546K.

Have you ever tested your 360Hz monitor at 240Hz ELMB before?

[Jeerios]

I've had the AW2521H 360hz for the past 3 months and had a blast so far. I came from a budget 144hz acer monitor and the smoothness and colors on this thing are insane. My tracking and reaction speeds have improved tremendously after spending some time with this monitor, but I noticed I was having trouble flicking in certain situations. For example, whenever someone wide peeks in Valorant, I had a much harder time micro-adjusting to their head and I believe it's due to the trail from motion blur.

I recently ordered an XL2546K and have been playing on it for the past 2 days; not very long, but I already feel it's much easier to flick now. I don't have to focus quite as hard. I have DYAC+ on premium and AMA on High. Of course with games like Valorant or Siege, the 360hz is very comparable with 240hz DYAC+, but for a game like Tarkov where frames are capped lower, the XL2546K definitely wins. Now I'm stuck deciding if I should attempt to sell my 360hz and buy a separate monitor with a fantastic looking panel for when I play games for eye candy lol

One has the option of running PG259QN 360Hz using 240Hz ELMB. The experience is similar to XL2546K.

Have you ever tested your 360Hz monitor at 240Hz ELMB before?

I've only tried the 240hz ELMB briefly but didn't give it much thought since I was like, "what's the point of a 360hz monitor if I'm just gonna play on 240hz?" Now that I've experienced DYAC+, I should probably give it a fair shot. I've been trying it for the past 45 minutes and it's definitely similar, but for some reason, it doesn't feel quite as snappy/responsive making quick flicks. Perhaps it's the lower brightness that I'm not used to

[Chief Blur Buster]

I've only tried the 240hz ELMB briefly but didn't give it much thought since I was like, "what's the point of a 360hz monitor if I'm just gonna play on 240hz?" Now that I've experienced DYAC+, I should probably give it a fair shot. I've been trying it for the past 45 minutes and it's definitely similar, but for some reason, it doesn't feel quite as snappy/responsive making quick flicks. Perhaps it's the lower brightness that I'm not used to

BenQ definitely does a good job at bright strobing -- they use a very strong backlight voltage boost during their strobe backlight (1000-to-1500 nit strobe pulses!!) to successfully average 300+ nits nonstrobed.

Precisely adjusted, with ruggedized edgelight/backlight electronics, backlight power boost factors of 3x is generally safe for LEDs, as long as average brightness doesn't exceed steady-state brightness spec.

Not many manufacturers touch BenQ's precise voltage boosting, tuned to the maximum safe voltage boosting they've been able to eke out of standard commodity LCD edgelights (not costing four figures).

Lag-Reducing Quick Frame Transport trick for Advanced Strobe Tweakers: You could attempt a large vertical total, to add a little Quick Frame Transport (transmit 240Hz refresh cycles in 1/360sec). Open ToastyX CRU, copy the 360 Hz mode (probably in the extended CEA861 DisplayID section), then lock radio button on "Vertical Total" and "Pixel Clock" rows, don't edit any number, and increase the vertical total until it autocalculates a lower refresh rate (don't manually edit refresh rate). If you see a Vertical Total 1125 for 360Hz, you can usually get (1125 * 360 / 240) = Vertical Total 1687 for 240Hz. Remember all numbers unchanged except Vertical Total, which will autocalculate a lower refresh rate for bigger vertical total. This custom 240Hz mode will blast a single 240Hz refresh cycle over the video cable in a mere 1/360sec, allowing the monitor to strobe-flash the refresh cycle sooner = less strobe input lag. If ToastyX is too complicated, don't worry, this Quick Frame Transport trick only saves ~1.4ms of strobe lag (time difference of 1/240sec and 1/360sec)

[daviddave1]

Why would an older 144hz monitor (XG2402) perform better though? I can't think of any reasons.

Yesterday i got the XL2546K: The colors and textures look great: Especially in PUBG and MW. U have a big advantage in spotting enemy's.

But I also play Quake Live. There's a huge difference in the amount of frags I can get with my XG2402 and the XL2546K. On the XL2546K I am just a regular player. Above average at best.

On the XL2546K I had a couple times where my plasma gun just couldn't catch up with the enemy or my mouse movement. I just switched back to the XG2402 and the difference is humongous.
On the XG2402 for example I am 9 of 10 at the top of the list on the servers I usually play. With the XL2546K its something like 3 out of 10. I like Quake Live just for that. It's a game where I am actually good at. I don't wanna give that up.

So unfortunately the XL2546K is going back to the store tomorrow for a refund.

I am going to give the 360hz a try. If its also mediocre @ Quake Live I'm going to stick with the XG2402 until the new Viewsonic 24'' 240 IPS comes out. Around next week the Alienware AW2521H 360hz should arrive. I will keep u guys posted.

I am confused on what you think youre experiencing here. How would a XL2546K with dyac+ be worse than the XG2402? How can a newer 240hz panel be worse than an older 144hz panel? I cant imagine input lag or response time being that different from a 144hz xg2402.... Placebo maybe?

Both great questions. (its def not placebo in QL, some movements where impossible to do on the XL2546K for example someone falling down fast close then tracking then railing (hard to explain )) If I had the answer I would give it. Maybe 1k pollingrate mice run better on the XG2402 144 hz in Quake Live. I just ordered the 8k Viper for my 360hz monitor next week. i will keep u guys posted...

Ok the Alienware AW2521H 360hz just arrived today. To make a long story short: Its very very good Its better then the XL2546K and the XG2402 also in Quake Live . no question about it. Its the monitor i was looking for. I am still top notch in QL and even much better!: i pulled off some combos, moves and insane highscores that felt very very good. believe it or not.

Also worth mentioning: The 360hz feels easy on your eyes. The Dyac on the XL2546K drained my energy way quicker. The IPS is very nice also.

Ok thats it. Tnx guys!!!!

[Jeerios]

So my only concern with the AW2521H at this point is the monitor makes a crackling sound once in a while on its own, as well as whenever it's handled to make adjustments to angle and height. The XL2546K doesn't have this issue at all and feels very solid. Could this become an issue down the line for the AW2521H?