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240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Grasshopper24 » 01 Jun 2021, 13:06

Hi all, I currently game on the asus vg27aq and really enjoy the monitor. My 3070/9900k combo outputs a good 1440 ~144fps + in most of the games I play, mainly COD and Battlefield although I would like to get into competitive titles like valorant and maybe csgo.

I do play semi competitively (GameBattles/tournaments) so I would like to buy a second monitor that is 1080p 240hz and under 25 inches. I’ve narrowed down to the asus vg259qm(IPS) and the asus Vg258qm (TN).

Out of these two monitors, which would be better for competitive gaming? I’m leaning toward the TN because I already have a 1440p IPS display.

If you own either of these monitors please share your experience and if there are better options at this price point (~$300) please share.

Thanks in advance

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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Jun 2021, 15:49

If your 1440p 144fps display is pre-2020 (like an old PG278Q), then you'll be pleased to know that VG259QM and VG258QM is almost identically good compared to your old 1440p 144fps IPS -- from a motion blur perspective and latency perspective.

Pretend there's a motion clarity scale of 1-out-of-10, your pre-2020-era 1440p 144fps IPS monitor would be rated at approximately 5, while the VG259QM and VG258QM would be almost equally closer 8.5 or 9.0 or 9.5 (when running at framerates near max Hz)...

Meaning the difference between VG259QM and VG258QM will be relative nitpicking compared to the difference between (Your pre-2020 IPS)+VG259QM and (Your pre-2020 IPS)+VG258QM.

The difference between a pre-2020 non-Fast-IPS panel, and a post-2020 "Fast IPS", is quite big in that it catapulted IPS directly into the neighbourhood of TN performance territory.

Now, if you are earning money in esports, then you definitely need to study the reviews closer. But if you're just playing competitive recreationally, focus on the color quality and ergonomics more since latency and motion clarity difference of the two is minor compared to a pre-2020 IPS.
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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Grasshopper24 » 01 Jun 2021, 17:58

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
01 Jun 2021, 15:49
If your 1440p 144fps display is pre-2020 (like an old PG278Q), then you'll be pleased to know that VG259QM and VG258QM is almost identically good compared to your old 1440p 144fps IPS -- from a motion blur perspective and latency perspective.

Pretend there's a motion clarity scale of 1-out-of-10, your pre-2020-era 1440p 144fps IPS monitor would be rated at approximately 5, while the VG259QM and VG258QM would be almost equally closer 8.5 or 9.0 or 9.5 (when running at framerates near max Hz)...

Meaning the difference between VG259QM and VG258QM will be relative nitpicking compared to the difference between (Your pre-2020 IPS)+VG259QM and (Your pre-2020 IPS)+VG258QM.

The difference between a pre-2020 non-Fast-IPS panel, and a post-2020 "Fast IPS", is quite big in that it catapulted IPS directly into the neighbourhood of TN performance territory.

Now, if you are earning money in esports, then you definitely need to study the reviews closer. But if you're just playing competitive recreationally, focus on the color quality and ergonomics more since latency and motion clarity difference of the two is minor compared to a pre-2020 IPS.


My 1440p monitor is from late 2019 I believe, Asus vg27aq, and I honestly love it, its the nicest monitor I've owned. Do you think the post-2020 ips panels are a big leap forward from my 2019 model?

If the difference between the 9qm and 8qm response time/ latency wise is negligible then I'll get the 9qm.

Also wanted to say love the forum, I started researching monitors just a few days ago and so glad I ended up here.

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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Jun 2021, 22:24

Grasshopper24 wrote:
01 Jun 2021, 17:58
If the difference between the 9qm and 8qm response time/ latency wise is negligible then I'll get the 9qm.
It might be a more minor leap ahead of your 2019 model -- but definitely a motion clarity leap (at framerates above your old monitor's Hz), and still almost negligible between VG259QM and VG258QM. They have their pros/cons but it's almost a matter of personal preference (like choosing chocolate versus vanilla).

For the majority of consumers, TN vs IPS has become negligible or almost negligible from a latency and motion clarity perspective. The details boil down to pickiness of various image attributes (IPS glow versus TN viewing angle) but motion clarity of both TN and IPS is now well-matched for any 2020-or-newer-panels at similar refresh rates.

If you're a professional gamer, the differences are worth nitpicking. But since you love your IPS, you will be most comfortable with a tech you are familiar with -- as switching to TN may result in certain kinds of downgrade feels.

The 2019 panels are better than the earlier IPS panels, but the new VG259QM is even faster. RTINGS has tested both the VG259QM and the VG27AQ. Even though the VG27AQ is fairly fast for a pre-2020 IPS, the VG259QM has even faster pixel response.

And the LCD GtG heatmap is even more consistent than, for example, the most popular 240Hz esports monitor, the BenQ XL2546K also tested by RTINGS -- it's a fantastic monitor too, with faster GtG for fastest GtG, but slower GtG for the slowest GtG (than the VG259QM). Whereas the VG259QM has more overdrive settings + more uniform GtG heatmap (min,max is more evenly distributed) -- which translates more consistent latency for all the various different colors. In some cases, some people have reported they now play better on 240-280Hz IPS panels than 240Hz TN panels -- thanks to better pixel response consistency.

Here's a great example of IPS-versus-TN response time parity nowadays (ASUS VG259QM versus BenQ XL2546K). The VG259QM is one of the cream of the crop on the new 240Hz+ IPS panels, and you can see how it competes very well with the most popular esports monitors nowadays...

The old advice before year 2020 about always choosing TN for competitive, is no longer valid nowadays. TN is still useful but it starts to be nitpicking even amongst esports players.

The intensity and locations of GtG response hotspots are different, but it's surprisingly similar (and better in some ways because of more tight MIN-vs-MAX with fewer color differences in the LCD GtG heatmap)
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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by sk1p » 02 Jun 2021, 00:52

Like variant: sell vg27aq and buy one Acer xv272ux(240hz, 2k) for every task - near TN clear motion and no input lag. I got with this monitor level 10 on faceit, and I old and don't spend a lot of time on gaming as I work, 32 :D) This monitor is really good for every task: work, competetive gaming and etc.
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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Discorz » 02 Jun 2021, 02:21

Grasshopper24 wrote:
01 Jun 2021, 13:06
Hi all, I currently game on the asus vg27aq and really enjoy the monitor. My 3070/9900k combo outputs a good 1440 ~144fps + in most of the games I play, mainly COD and Battlefield although I would like to get into competitive titles like valorant and maybe csgo.

I do play semi competitively (GameBattles/tournaments) so I would like to buy a second monitor that is 1080p 240hz and under 25 inches. I’ve narrowed down to the asus vg259qm(IPS) and the asus Vg258qm (TN).
I'd recommend to play competitively on your VG27AQ for a while, for a few months at least. Then see if you really need 240Hz. This way you'll make a clearer decision. This IPS 165Hz is perfectly fine and TN panels in 2021 are too old if u ask me. I'd honestly wait for something completely new to come out, high refresh rate OLED or something. But that could take years to happen.
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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Grasshopper24 » 02 Jun 2021, 20:37

Discorz wrote:
02 Jun 2021, 02:21
Grasshopper24 wrote:
01 Jun 2021, 13:06
Hi all, I currently game on the asus vg27aq and really enjoy the monitor. My 3070/9900k combo outputs a good 1440 ~144fps + in most of the games I play, mainly COD and Battlefield although I would like to get into competitive titles like valorant and maybe csgo.

I do play semi competitively (GameBattles/tournaments) so I would like to buy a second monitor that is 1080p 240hz and under 25 inches. I’ve narrowed down to the asus vg259qm(IPS) and the asus Vg258qm (TN).
I'd recommend to play competitively on your VG27AQ for a while, for a few months at least. Then see if you really need 240Hz. This way you'll make a clearer decision. This IPS 165Hz is perfectly fine and TN panels in 2021 are too old if u ask me. I'd honestly wait for something completely new to come out, high refresh rate OLED or something. But that could take years to happen.
I honestly could stick with my current monitor and do fine competitively. It's just that my rig can easily push 200+fps at 1080 for the games I play and I want to be able to fully utilize those additional frames. I've recently followed the gsync 101 guide and now my games are tear-free but I feel im not using my rig to its max capability in competitive settings. My current 2nd monitor is an old 1080 60hz dell work monitor that needs to be replaced so I'll be going with the vg259qm most likely, thanks to the input provided by Chief.

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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by phzera » 07 Jun 2021, 21:22

Which of these monitors is the best? less delay? My focus is on competitive gaming, I currently use an XL2420Z.

Acer Predator XB253QG

Asus VG259QM

They are the only IPS panel with the most attractive prices in my country.

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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Nm_kng » 08 Jun 2021, 13:35

phzera wrote:
07 Jun 2021, 21:22
Which of these monitors is the best? less delay? My focus is on competitive gaming, I currently use an XL2420Z.

Acer Predator XB253QG

Asus VG259QM

They are the only IPS panel with the most attractive prices in my country.
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Re: 240hz IPS vs TN advice for competitive gaming

Post by Uiriamu » 14 Jun 2021, 09:53

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
01 Jun 2021, 22:24
Here's a great example of IPS-versus-TN response time parity nowadays (ASUS VG259QM versus BenQ XL2546K). The VG259QM is one of the cream of the crop on the new 240Hz+ IPS panels, and you can see how it competes very well with the most popular esports monitors nowadays...
Sir I’m on the look out for 2 monitors one for semi competitive Valorant and another larger monitors (maybe 27/32? 2K/4K? for battlefield 2042. I am currently building a computer with a 5900x and 3080ti. Would you say the ASUS VG259QM Is the best for valorant? from your sentence above it is “one of the cream of the crop”. I was wondering if thats the one you would choose personally for Valorant or is there another model you would choose over it? Same question for Battlefield on a larger screen. Thankyou in advance!

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