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Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by ahk1221 » 31 Jul 2021, 10:02

Hi, I have an IPS monitor (Viewsonic XG2405 144hz IPS) and I'm looking to buy a TN 144hz for competitive. Thing is, I want to see in person how worse the colors would be, without actually buying the monitor. So is it possible to make the colors look worse on purpose like how they would be on the TN, on my current IPS monitor? The TN im looking to buy is the BenQ XL2411k. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by Discorz » 31 Jul 2021, 18:09

May I ask why TN?
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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by ahk1221 » 01 Aug 2021, 03:24

Discorz wrote:
31 Jul 2021, 18:09
May I ask why TN?
Because the IPS 144hz options that are available to me and fit within the price range, all have awful motion clarity, which is my top priority, and there isnt any other monitor that does it better in the 144hz range than the XL2411K. The monitor I currently have, the XG2405, has the same panel as the 24G2, and the amount of motion blur on it isn't "within the acceptable range" for me. I play a lot of fast moving competitive shooters like fortnite, apex legends, etc, and it really does become noticable. My 75hz TN had much better motion clarity than this. The other option in IPS is the Optix G241 which I think has even worse response times, so thats a no go. Only the Mobiuz EX2510 looks good but its way too expensive, so that only leaves TN monitors.

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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by Discorz » 01 Aug 2021, 11:43

Is this your first 144Hz monitor?
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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by Max_hz » 02 Aug 2021, 10:48

ahk1221 wrote:
01 Aug 2021, 03:24
Discorz wrote:
31 Jul 2021, 18:09
May I ask why TN?
Because the IPS 144hz options that are available to me and fit within the price range, all have awful motion clarity, which is my top priority, and there isnt any other monitor that does it better in the 144hz range than the XL2411K. The monitor I currently have, the XG2405, has the same panel as the 24G2, and the amount of motion blur on it isn't "within the acceptable range" for me. I play a lot of fast moving competitive shooters like fortnite, apex legends, etc, and it really does become noticable. My 75hz TN had much better motion clarity than this. The other option in IPS is the Optix G241 which I think has even worse response times, so thats a no go. Only the Mobiuz EX2510 looks good but its way too expensive, so that only leaves TN monitors.
It seems that you are looking for something that is not possible in those price ranges and if you really want to play competitively I advise you to wait and save for a monitor that can meet your expectations otherwise you may be disappointed again.
Another option is to buy a second-hand monitor.
If I were you I would choose a monitor with at least (IPS or TN) 240hz from the year 2020/2021, the IPS models are a lot faster than the previous 144hz generation and that also applies to the TN models that have a better colours/contrast and clarity.
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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by ahk1221 » 03 Aug 2021, 11:54

Max_hz wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 10:48
ahk1221 wrote:
01 Aug 2021, 03:24
Discorz wrote:
31 Jul 2021, 18:09
May I ask why TN?
Because the IPS 144hz options that are available to me and fit within the price range, all have awful motion clarity, which is my top priority, and there isnt any other monitor that does it better in the 144hz range than the XL2411K. The monitor I currently have, the XG2405, has the same panel as the 24G2, and the amount of motion blur on it isn't "within the acceptable range" for me. I play a lot of fast moving competitive shooters like fortnite, apex legends, etc, and it really does become noticable. My 75hz TN had much better motion clarity than this. The other option in IPS is the Optix G241 which I think has even worse response times, so thats a no go. Only the Mobiuz EX2510 looks good but its way too expensive, so that only leaves TN monitors.
It seems that you are looking for something that is not possible in those price ranges and if you really want to play competitively I advise you to wait and save for a monitor that can meet your expectations otherwise you may be disappointed again.
Another option is to buy a second-hand monitor.
If I were you I would choose a monitor with at least (IPS or TN) 240hz from the year 2020/2021, the IPS models are a lot faster than the previous 144hz generation and that also applies to the TN models that have a better colours/contrast and clarity.
I've watched many reviews, and nearly all of them say that while the XL2411K has very bad colors, the one thing they say, is that it has the best motion clarity out of all 144hz monitors, very near to that of the best 240hz monitor, the XL2546K. So I don't suppose how that would be disappointing. I can't really get a 240hz monitor because they're very expensive here, and my pc also does not pull 240 frames and with the current GPU market I cant really justify making a GPU purchase.

Back to my original question: Is it possible to make the colors worse on an IPS monitor, like they would be on the TN?

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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by Discorz » 04 Aug 2021, 06:42

ahk1221 wrote:
03 Aug 2021, 11:54
Unless you use backlight strobing (most people don't) like "Dyac" or "1ms Mode" you are not going to benefit from TN panel. XG2405 is already a fast IPS I believe, so that puts it in a same or similar response time region as XL241K. So buying TN panel in 2021 in not a reasonable choice after all. Colorwise and viewing angles TN is definitely a downgrade. And the worst thing of all XL2411K released in 2020 does not have adaptive sync which can be unacceptable if u use it. I'd recommend you to stay on XG2405.

Zowie XL2411K sample-and-hold:
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Zowie XL2411K strobed:
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I don't have any XG2405 ufo shots but I'd expect it to look something like this LG 24GN600, doesn't have to be tho. You can compare with yours on TestUFO.
LG 24GN600 sample-and-hold:
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LG 24GN600 strobed:
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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by ahk1221 » 05 Aug 2021, 17:36

Discorz wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 06:42
ahk1221 wrote:
03 Aug 2021, 11:54
Unless you use backlight strobing (most people don't) like "Dyac" or "1ms Mode" you are not going to benefit from TN panel. XG2405 is already a fast IPS I believe, so that puts it in a same or similar response time region as XL241K. So buying TN panel in 2021 in not a reasonable choice after all. Colorwise and viewing angles TN is definitely a downgrade. And the worst thing of all XL2411K released in 2020 does not have adaptive sync which can be unacceptable if u use it. I'd recommend you to stay on XG2405.

Zowie XL2411K sample-and-hold:
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Zowie XL2411K strobed:
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I don't have any XG2405 ufo shots but I'd expect it to look something like this LG 24GN600, doesn't have to be tho. You can compare with yours on TestUFO.
LG 24GN600 sample-and-hold:
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LG 24GN600 strobed:
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I dont get where you got the impression that most people dont use DyAc, in fact most people buy BenQ monitors FOR DyAc... and yes, I am buying it for DyAc. I know it is a downgrade in colors and viewing angles, and about colors, that is exactly what this thread is about, I want to know how bad the colors actually will be. I do not care for adaptive sync, it adds in input delay, and my GPU does not support it anyways.

I've already watched the reviews you've linked many, many times. And I have come to the conclusion that I want the XL2411K. All I want to know is how bad the colors on it are.

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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by Discorz » 06 Aug 2021, 02:13

You'd be surprised.

I don't know how to simulate such thing. Some differences can be spoted if you watch tn vs ips side by side comparison videos. I used to have aw2518hf tn and it wasn't that bad as some might think. If colors are not your main priority you'd be fine.
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Re: Simulating TN colors on IPS

Post by magdy » 19 Aug 2021, 03:54

so did you actually get it?
i want to buy it too but idk about the colours

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