Comparison benq xl2546k, hp omen x25, acer nitro xv252qf,msi mag251rx

[IIISLIDEIII]

I tried literally everything with Acer because I really wanted to be my main monitor, but I simply couldn´t stop noticing the trailing on every fast moving image. This is crucial when playing Quake or Apex, for example, where tracking is so important. At some point my brain would notice it immediatly and I couldn´t even focus on my game anymore. Had to get rid of it.

Now for CoD, counter strike or other slower games with fast TTK, maybe is not that crucial tbh

at this point I assume that you have abandoned benq only for the input lag because as clarity nothing beats benq with dyac, it is literally op.

[Notty_PT]

I tried literally everything with Acer because I really wanted to be my main monitor, but I simply couldn´t stop noticing the trailing on every fast moving image. This is crucial when playing Quake or Apex, for example, where tracking is so important. At some point my brain would notice it immediatly and I couldn´t even focus on my game anymore. Had to get rid of it.

Now for CoD, counter strike or other slower games with fast TTK, maybe is not that crucial tbh

The fact you're playing Quake and Apex kinda explain why you don't enjoy the 390hz monitor as much as anyone else who has/had it.
You cannot maintain constant 390fps in those games (QL is hardcapped at 250, Apex is a stuttery mess above 240fps and is hardcapped at 300fps)
Not only that, you're not playing on higher DPI and higher polling rate (which make the 390hz effect on desktop much more apparent)
Games like CS, OW, where getting 400fps locked is very possible with proper CPU and RAM speeds would be a better benchmark for the 390hz monitor. It's a night and day difference when you compare something like a X25 vs XV252QF in the beforementioned games.
It is very possible the Acer doesn't perform as well as other 240hz on lower refresh rates, I'm not entirely sure if we've seen this on reviews yet.
I do agree it's a niche use case (driving 390hz = 390fps is hard), but, you cannot tout the panel to be bad when you're playing archaic games and game engines which aren't high refresh rate, high polling rate and high dpi ready.

What mate? I dont play QL, I play QC and I average 400fps on that game it has nothing to do with framerates, the panels are slow. They have trailing be it at 60fps or 1000fps.

[IIISLIDEIII]

I tried literally everything with Acer because I really wanted to be my main monitor, but I simply couldn´t stop noticing the trailing on every fast moving image. This is crucial when playing Quake or Apex, for example, where tracking is so important. At some point my brain would notice it immediatly and I couldn´t even focus on my game anymore. Had to get rid of it.

Now for CoD, counter strike or other slower games with fast TTK, maybe is not that crucial tbh

The fact you're playing Quake and Apex kinda explain why you don't enjoy the 390hz monitor as much as anyone else who has/had it.
You cannot maintain constant 390fps in those games (QL is hardcapped at 250, Apex is a stuttery mess above 240fps and is hardcapped at 300fps)
Not only that, you're not playing on higher DPI and higher polling rate (which make the 390hz effect on desktop much more apparent)
Games like CS, OW, where getting 400fps locked is very possible with proper CPU and RAM speeds would be a better benchmark for the 390hz monitor. It's a night and day difference when you compare something like a X25 vs XV252QF in the beforementioned games.
It is very possible the Acer doesn't perform as well as other 240hz on lower refresh rates, I'm not entirely sure if we've seen this on reviews yet.
I do agree it's a niche use case (driving 390hz = 390fps is hard), but, you cannot tout the panel to be bad when you're playing archaic games and game engines which aren't high refresh rate, high polling rate and high dpi ready.

I find the acer (with mbr) a good monitor, so much so that I still haven't chosen which one to keep, but the truth is that most of the pro players that had switched to ips 360hz are back on tn 240hz and the reason is always the same , if you turn off the strobing on the acer and put it next to the omen x25 you take the acer and throw it out the window.

[Notty_PT]

|||SLIDE||| do you use any aim trainer software? Usually that´s a good metric to evaluate with wich produts you should stick. I do that all the time when I am undecided. If you do tracking and flicking exercises, take note of your average scores after like 50 tries on both monitors, at the same framerate (use a realistic one like 300fp-350fps, don´t go 1000fps).

Keep the monitor that made you get higher scores/accuracy

AimLab is excellent for this. It has a very hard tracking exercise and Spider mode wich is great to evaluate your flicks.

[nolikeee]

|||SLIDE||| do you use any aim trainer software? Usually that´s a good metric to evaluate with wich produts you should stick. I do that all the time when I am undecided. If you do tracking and flicking exercises, take note of your average scores after like 50 tries on both monitors, at the same framerate (use a realistic one like 300fp-350fps, don´t go 1000fps).

Keep the monitor that made you get higher scores/accuracy

AimLab is excellent for this. It has a very hard tracking exercise and Spider mode wich is great to evaluate your flicks.

Are you using AOC 24G2ZU?

[IIISLIDEIII]

|||SLIDE||| do you use any aim trainer software? Usually that´s a good metric to evaluate with wich produts you should stick. I do that all the time when I am undecided. If you do tracking and flicking exercises, take note of your average scores after like 50 tries on both monitors, at the same framerate (use a realistic one like 300fp-350fps, don´t go 1000fps).

Keep the monitor that made you get higher scores/accuracy

AimLab is excellent for this. It has a very hard tracking exercise and Spider mode wich is great to evaluate your flicks.

i used koovak but i haven't used aim trainer for a while, i will do a test tomorrow.
I read that you also had 2k asus xg27aqm, how was that panel with trailing?
they offered me a predator xb273ugx at a super price, it should have the same panel as the asus xg27aqm

[IIISLIDEIII]

@Notty_PT
I am continuing the comparison , Acer xv252qf is not bad but it does not keep up with tn, there is no way, manages to get close to the performance of the omen only with mbr at the maximum but at that point the brightness collapses, all this does not make sense.

please give me an opinion on the trailing on asus 27 2k xg27aqm you had, i am also interested in that as a second monitor, is it at least at the levels of the acer xv252qf or even worse?

[Notty_PT]

Asus XG27AQM is an amazing monitor! But it is too big for competitive play in my opinion

It has way less trailing than the NItro 390hz or any other 360hz model, but the image itself will have more blur, if you understand me. Imagine the UFO, with 360hz monitors it has awful trailing, but not on XG27AQM, wich has the Alien on the ufo less clear than the 360hz panels

[RestTarRr]

Similar to you, I also found Acer Nitro to be very responsive input lag wise, but the pixel response time is miles behind.

You lost all credibility after this line. You are either exaggerating really heavily or you are delusional. Either way, it's much better to keep it objective rather than to get your emotions involved.

|||SLIDE||| do you use any aim trainer software? Usually that´s a good metric to evaluate with wich produts you should stick. Keep the monitor that made you get higher scores/accuracy

Are you buying a monitor for aim training or for gaming? You keep the monitor that you perform the best in the game you want to play.

[lizardpeter]

Now for CoD, counter strike or other slower games with fast TTK, maybe is not that crucial tbh

Yeah, COD is my main game at the moment. This is a really neat thread though. It highlights how some people prefer different things. When you said that the Acer couldn’t touch the best TN monitors, you must mean in terms of the percent of pixel transitions completed within the refresh interval. I understand that the clarity with super fast objects might even be worse on the Acer 390 Hz (as you have shown with specific UFO tests) but there certainly is something to be said about the extra refreshes too. After all, it response time was everything then every pro player would be using LG C1. Isn’t Apex bad after 190 FPS? What about Quake? You really need super high FPS to take advantage of the Acer.

But anyway, on COD I’m having great success with the Acer monitor. I already have so many nuclears in COD Vanguard, and that game just launched. I’ve been well within the top 1% in every COD game over the past decade and 0.1% in my favorite titles, so I know a lot about the game and how things should look. The biggest thing for me going to Acer 390 Hz was that I felt like my bad days simply disappeared. More than improving the top end of performance, it seemed to eliminate poor performance almost entirely. I genuinely don’t have any bad games anymore. Not sure if it’s related to the lower latency or not.

If and when better monitors come out, I’ll be happy to upgrade anyway. Unfortunately, I think we’re too far out from OLED or MicroLED high refresh rate displays that will fix the response time issues. Maybe something better will be out later in 2022. I’d be fine with getting a 480 Hz TN monitor alongside something like an RTX 4090 and Intel 13th gen CPU to push those frames. Basically, it’s just a waiting game now.