Fastest 240hz tn panel

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Axaion
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by Axaion » 14 Jan 2022, 13:31

antiblur wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 07:46
Axaion wrote:
13 Jan 2022, 17:31
please provide proof that yours was that bad, because ive yet to see any of them have overshoot unless you use the wrong overdrive
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Man, this has overshoot on overdrive 3 and 4 - any omen owner can tell you that. That's why slide and techless used omen on overdrive 2. In the UFO test, it looks sharp on overdrive 2 and has no overshoot. However, in games I noticed blurring, and in kovak too, so I set overdrive 3. With it, blue-white halos were very noticeable both in the UFO test and in games. Overdrive 4 is unplayable. In principle, you can play on overdrive 3, but it looks terrible compared to ama premium, so the best recommendation is overdrive 2. But let me remind you that 1ms of response is only achieved with overdrive 3. And I sometimes notice blurring on overdrive 2 in games, sometimes on 3, but on 2 it's more comfortable to play, you get used to it and if you don't peer into the pixels, it seems that the picture is not blurred. In a meticulous comparison, my 2540k and 2546k specimens had less blur in games on ama premium, I saw halos only in the UFO test, they could be seen in games, but I had to try very, very hard, with 3 omen overdrive I see them easily. You're asking for proof, but that requires special equipment that I don't have. If I shoot a UFO test for you on my phone, it will look sharp, but in reality it looks worse, and the UFO test does not convey the blurring that I sometimes notice in games. The UFO test is not informative in this case, because it is extremely difficult to see the difference between 2540k, 2546k and Omen in terms of blurring, but in games it was more felt.
Let me remind you i asked for proof, i have seen none, ive also had the xl2546k, and its slow as hell outside strobing, and still overshoot with strobing, as you can clearly see on all reviews.
Provide actual proof of your claims, please.

antiblur
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by antiblur » 14 Jan 2022, 19:37

Axaion wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 13:31


Let me remind you i asked for proof, i have seen none, ive also had the xl2546k, and its slow as hell outside strobing, and still overshoot with strobing, as you can clearly see on all reviews.
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Can you figure out where the overdrive is? The photo does not convey reality, but if you have eyes, you can see the overshoot. In reality, you can see a strong blur on overdrive 1, it is not visible in the photo. Also, on other overdrives, the picture is not so clear and the overshoot is more noticeable in reality.

At 2546k on ama premium, I saw overshoot as on overdrive 3 omen, but in the game I did not see overshoot, on omen it is everywhere.

What objective evidence can you provide that 2546k is slower than Omen? Images? Videos? This is funny.
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Axaion
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by Axaion » 14 Jan 2022, 22:55

antiblur wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 19:37
Axaion wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 13:31


Let me remind you i asked for proof, i have seen none, ive also had the xl2546k, and its slow as hell outside strobing, and still overshoot with strobing, as you can clearly see on all reviews.
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Can you figure out where the overdrive is? The photo does not convey reality, but if you have eyes, you can see the overshoot. In reality, you can see a strong blur on overdrive 1, it is not visible in the photo. Also, on other overdrives, the picture is not so clear and the overshoot is more noticeable in reality.

At 2546k on ama premium, I saw overshoot as on overdrive 3 omen, but in the game I did not see overshoot, on omen it is everywhere.

What objective evidence can you provide that 2546k is slower than Omen? Images? Videos? This is funny.
Yes, videos and images - the one shot there thats decent is the 2nd one, but its not really lined up properly, nor is it even synced, can see the blue bar and red bar, its not green, but eh.
im sure youve seen the x25 shots?, if you havent i attached a very good one from techless
so which one of those is the xl2546k?

sorry but every review ive seen shows the xl2546k being quite slow outside strobing, rtings has numbers as well for it where you can pick your poison
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yehaw
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by yehaw » 14 Jan 2022, 23:58

Axaion wrote:
13 Jan 2022, 17:31
antiblur wrote:
10 Jan 2022, 11:41
Nm_kng wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 13:38


KD25F, XF252Q and the Omen X25 (non F)
I got my omen x 25. And in my opinion it is slower than the 2540k or 2546k panel (same). Sometimes it seems to me that I can see blur on the omen, with overdrive 3 (while the artifacts of the corona are noticeable), although it may be due to the terrible pixel inversion that my copy suffers from (the worst pixel inversion that I have seen), the picture loses clarity at such moments due to pixel shift. I could be wrong, and there may be blur too. On a premium ama, I almost did not see artifacts corona, on omen overdrive 3 ghosting is much more noticeable, with overdrive level 4 it is unrealistic to play, they are not only at level 2, but there the picture seems more often blurry. I saw no benefit in g-sync and I think that perhaps the "f" version is no worse, since rings tested it. Having tried Omen and 2540k-2546k I recommend exclusively the Benq. The panel is faster and the monitor is objectively better in most aspects. The Omen liked the viewing angles and the relatively good initial color setting, but the Benq easily adjusts better. Also, my copy of Omena has 2 broken pixels (one consists of dark subpixels, the other is frozen red) and maybe I had no luck with the panel. However, in tests ufo and in games, I find an advantage benq. This is the most versatile monitor for all shooters, I think that the hype bank is justified in this case.
Any of the 240hz GSYNC MODULE TN monitors with the same panel as the hp x25 omen performs the sameish it seems, please provide proof that yours was that bad, because ive yet to see any of them have overshoot unless you use the wrong overdrive
references; techless testufo shots for example, someone in here has an acer version with clean shots too, i believe they were posted in my 24g2zu thread?
I have the panel and it does have overshoot artifacts on 3/4. It's hard to see on 3, but 4 there is no hiding it. It's perfectly fine on 2 if overshoot bothers you and has 0 overshoot there. 4 also seems to have less smeary looking motion blur on fast swipes in my experience. Personally, I like 4 best because of the large bump in responsive feeling and less smeary picture of fast swipes. I play all comp games on the apparently unplayable 4, and casual/single player/desktop on 2. And I've gotten to very high ranks in a few titles using these settings.

I've had about 5 different 240hz panels so far and this OMEN is the best I've owned out of all of them in regards to BLB, uniformity, overdrive, clarity of motion, eye strain, and responsive feel. I completely gave up looking for a new monitor, until I saw the recent review of the XG2431

Omen 25X
Viewsonic XG2431 - good, but I expected a bit more from the colors on the IPS front, ips glow also ruins a lot of dark content, also heavy eye strain
Alienware AW2518h - horrible eye strain made my eyes water, very blurry motion at lower fps
Asus XG248Q - awful uniformity/blb, some of the worst I've seen
Some 27" LG TN 240hz, forget the model - Was pretty good, but 27" is not a good experience for competitive gaming imo,

antiblur
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by antiblur » 15 Jan 2022, 02:42

yehaw wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 23:58


I have the panel and it does have overshoot artifacts on 3/4. It's hard to see on 3, but 4 there is no hiding it. It's perfectly fine on 2 if overshoot bothers you and has 0 overshoot there. 4 also seems to have less smeary looking motion blur on fast swipes in my experience.
My experience is exactly the same! I want to say that you get used to it quickly enough and after a while it does not interfere. At first it's noticeable and disturbing, then it's noticeable, if you're nitpicking, I'm talking about blur at level 2. In fact, I liked this monitor, wonderful black level and good colors, if it weren't for a dead pixel and terrible pixel inversion, I would left. Now I'm thinking of returning it and trying to find a better copy. If I tried it half a year after 2546k, then maybe I would think that the omen is faster, but I tried it after a week, so such moments were very noticeable for me. 2546k had some blur on ama high (like omen) so I switched to ama premium and on ama premium I don't remember the blur. With the ama premium I didn't feel like I needed a diac so I decided to try the omen as a lot of people said it was faster than the 2546k but my experience and feeling is otherwise. As for the rtings... As far as I remember, 2546k was tested without ama premium overdrive, and on this overdrive (ama premium) it is faster than omen x 25 according to my feelings. At least it's about my copy. 2540k felt the same as 2546k without diac. With ama premium, I did not observe any overshoot in games, with omen I could not get used to the level of overdrive 3. In kovak, I feel better with overdrive 3, in games with overdrive 2.
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antiblur
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by antiblur » 15 Jan 2022, 03:54

yehaw wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 23:58

I have the panel
Does your instance have pixel inversion (walking pixel)? It looks like vertical rows of pixels, or very thin black bands that form vertical rows of pixels when moving the camera horizontally or in animations. I see it clearly, for example in this test: https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=que ... ttersize=0
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pinginu
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by pinginu » 15 Jan 2022, 08:23

antiblur wrote:
15 Jan 2022, 03:54
yehaw wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 23:58

I have the panel
Does your instance have pixel inversion (walking pixel)? It looks like vertical rows of pixels, or very thin black bands that form vertical rows of pixels when moving the camera horizontally or in animations. I see it clearly, for example in this test: https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=que ... ttersize=0
i have the x25 and aw2518hf, the x25 looks so clean in the moving photo test in contrast to the aw2518hf. The x25 doesn't have what you describe at all for me.

antiblur
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by antiblur » 15 Jan 2022, 14:38

pinginu wrote:
15 Jan 2022, 08:23
antiblur wrote:
15 Jan 2022, 03:54
yehaw wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 23:58

I have the panel
Does your instance have pixel inversion (walking pixel)? It looks like vertical rows of pixels, or very thin black bands that form vertical rows of pixels when moving the camera horizontally or in animations. I see it clearly, for example in this test: https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=que ... ttersize=0
i have the x25 and aw2518hf, the x25 looks so clean in the moving photo test in contrast to the aw2518hf. The x25 doesn't have what you describe at all for me.
Thank you for responding
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niros
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by niros » 17 Jan 2022, 02:55

I also have the x 25 and can do some tests if needed
I tried few gaming monitors and always went back to the x 25 as it feels the best for me

pinginu
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Re: Fastest 240hz tn panel

Post by pinginu » 17 Jan 2022, 15:18

did a little research for the panels. I think that (AU Optronics M250HTN01.9) is the last TN you can currently buy.

GIGABYTE AORUS KD25F AU Optronics M250HTN01.9 2019
Acer Nitro XF2 XF252 AU Optronics M250HTN01.9 2019
HP Omen X 25 2019
Ozone DSP24 240 2020
Itek GGF 288hz TN 2021
2540K AU Optronics M250HTN01.8
XL2546k M250HTN01.8 Q250HTN00-A200
XL2546 M250HTN01.8 Q250HTN00

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