[Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Sub-forum for any electricity related issues affecting computer performance. Electrical interference (EMI, EMF) can cause error-correction latencies. Troubleshooting certain issues may require a university degree.
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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by RealNC » 13 May 2022, 10:44

Vocaleyes wrote:
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Had to issue a warning for this post since it's a personal attack on another user.
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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by RealNC » 13 May 2022, 10:47

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You signed up to the forum and your first post is an insult against another user. Well done.
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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by MaleGigolo » 13 May 2022, 11:23

RealNC wrote:
13 May 2022, 10:47
MaleGigolo wrote:
13 May 2022, 07:19
You signed up to the forum and your first post is an insult against another user. Well done.
It's not an insult and my point is that you guys as mods should help him because everyone knows him and that he has been doing this for 5-7 years instead of allowing him to keep doing this and spreading false misinformation you should prevent him by not giving him a platform

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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by RealNC » 13 May 2022, 12:36

MaleGigolo wrote:
13 May 2022, 11:23
It's not an insult and my point is that you guys as mods should help him because everyone knows him and that he has been doing this for 5-7 years instead of allowing him to keep doing this and spreading false misinformation you should prevent him by not giving him a platform
I can't ban someone just because he believes in something I don't.
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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by Vocaleyes » 14 May 2022, 01:51

It’s all good and well to believe whatever you want, that wasn’t the issue.

The issue begins when the people that believe what they want then begin knocking on your door spreading ‘the word’.

Jokes aside, I apologise for the ‘personal attack’, but stand by the premise, the lad is notorious for his constant ‘fixes’ and I hope it doesn’t reach the same state over here that it did over on overclock.

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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by gadpaw » 14 May 2022, 03:15

Vocaleyes wrote:
14 May 2022, 01:51
It’s all good and well to believe whatever you want, that wasn’t the issue.

The issue begins when the people that believe what they want then begin knocking on your door spreading ‘the word’.

Jokes aside, I apologise for the ‘personal attack’, but stand by the premise, the lad is notorious for his constant ‘fixes’ and I hope it doesn’t reach the same state over here that it did over on overclock.
Perhaps you are in angry because him found an effective way :)

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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by Vocaleyes » 14 May 2022, 04:57

I quite literally have a ferrite on every cable I have in my home. I bought the massive multipack when I was recommended by another user a couple years back.
They do nothing to resolve this issue, in my case anyway.

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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by MaleGigolo » 16 May 2022, 12:19

I'll be buying Nintendo Switch OLED and enjoying games without this issue because I really think it is a power issue not issue with electromagnetic interference. When you think about it all the people who have started this EMI/RFI/EMF thing never backed it up with any proof or when asked to showcase their Power Condtioners, UPS, Laptops that have the issue they never did because most these people lie about having Gaming Laptops and Power Conditioners that can run games without main power.

I won't name them but I will give few examples

- Guy from Overclock claimed Solar Panel was the solution and after that claimed it wasn't. Someone in a different forum called him out for that said that he asked him for a proof of his solar set up and he never gave it. Another guy from NVIDIA thread was asked to provide proof of his receipt of Power Conditioner that he btw claimed that it fixed his issue and he never gave it . The same guy now claims moving to another place fixed his issue while blocking and ignoring everyone that asks him anything about it or any proof

- Another guy from a different forum has said that his PC runs normal on battery and now few months later he changed his opinion and speaks about electromagnetic interference. When asked for picture/proof of his Power Conditioner/UPS he never gave it

A lot of people here have been lying, promoting products for $$ and caught in their own lies for no reason other than to prove other people that they fixed their problem when they never did. If you are so sure about issue being electromagnetic interference Chief has said multiple times that it CANNOT damage equipment and THAT IS A FACT and I know from my OWN experience that ALL of my equipment works without any issues at night. So why all of you claiming this simply don't go to any other place other than your own you can literally go to a random park or any place in nature where there are no electronics and possible source of interference and confirm your theory instead of spreading lies?

Some of y'all would rather speculate and gossip for years instead of trying to focus on a solution smh

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Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by dervu » 16 May 2022, 15:54

I agree with RFI/EMI being ridiculous. If it was it, someone would notice it on spectrum analyzer.
I also think that for now noone have any proof that any well known phenomenon related to electricity would cause this. With all available tools and theories out there floating in different places, someone would fix it and give at least a piece of proof.

However, there is one not well known yet phenomenon called supraharmonics.
According to some studies already done about it:
- It can affect electronics
- Its severity depends on other devices present in grid, which are not sources themselves, but act as secondary emission source
- Also there are some observations that overlap with observations of many peoples suffering this issue, i.e Symptom changes on computer behavior depending on changes with power connection or connecting disconnecting other devices
- They can travel far

Question is how common this supraharmonic is, there are barely any tools that you can begin to measure with (cost around $5k USD, possible to rent) - PQ Box 300 from A. Eberle.
Source: https://www.a-eberle.de/wp-content/uplo ... _HP_EN.pdf
https://energiforskmedia.blob.core.wind ... 17-461.pdf
Also there are many other publications on that, but noone have done yet any tests for PCs, as far as I know.

Supraharmonics are coming from:
• Industrial size converters (9 to 150 kHz)
• Oscillations around commutation notches (up to 10 kHz)
• Street lamps (up to 20 kHz)
• EV chargers (15 kHz to 100 kHz)
• PV inverters (4 kHz to 20 kHz)
• Household devices (2 to 150 kHz)
• Power line communication, AMR (9 to 95 kHz)

Those devices are common. It doesn't have to mean that everyone around them would suffer.
Maybe it is some combo of devices in grid that make this issue appear (with source being one of above).

In medium voltage grids, so not in buildings - it can travel up to 16km.
Let's say that in low voltage grids it could travel 1/10 of that, that is already far.

No institution regulates it, there are no laws or rules for it yet. It is not well understood yet.
But maybe with some luck someone from those people studying it would look into it when someone would confirm with such device that it is present in place with such issue.
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