The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

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adelsa123
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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by adelsa123 » 04 Jan 2023, 08:00

cybepine wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 05:45
Part 2 The results continues:

Normal safety isolation transformer isolates the hot and neutral. The ground must not be isolated according to electrical regulations. This creates a major safety hazard! Do not try it! Some (even some balanced ones ) audio power conditioners have ground lift switches. This is the only safe way to do it, that I know of. But they are very very expensive.

Why did I buy a balanced isolation transformer and not a normal safety isolation transformer?

3 reasons:

-Balanced power improves power factor, which is one aspect of power quality.
-Center tapper earth (0V), reference ground. Very important for sensitive equipment like computers, which need a clean and quiet ground.
-Removes grounding currents

This unit does also have electrostatic shield for transients spike protection (elevators, air conditioners, a refrigerators, etc.)
Power factor improvement is only achieved with balanced power. The power factor Indicates the degree that current and voltage are in phase to each other. 1 to 1 is the optimum. You can google power factor improvement if you find better solutions, but this is the one I found, it's the easiest and cheapest way to implement.

If you want to try balanced isolation transformers, don't just blindly go and buy balanced isolation transformers. First you need to make sure you have electrical input lag. Most of the time, the cause of the input lag is the hardware, the internet or the program itself.

Tests to verify your input lag:

1. Offline too (Ethernet cable out), on desktop.
2. Outlet. Different outlet?
3. Time varying input lag? If yes, then high likely cause is electricity.
4. Test with resistive load device. like incandescent lightning or clothing iron/heating element. You can plug incandescent lightning to power strip. Do not plug clothing iron/heating element to power strip. It might overload the power strip (max 10 amps). Add it to the same circuit.
If you get improvement with this, then you most likely the input lag is caused by electricity.

https://www.theelectricalguy.in/tutoria ... tive-load/

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Resistive load

When you add incandescent lightning or clothing iron/heating element to the circuit, it improves power factor.

Conclusion:

The balanced isolation transformer did fix my problems. No more vibration or hum. Noise (EMI) is still high in wires, though. I will most likely change the EMI/RFI filter. It can be changed to a better one if desired, just a new part. But overall I am satisfied with the product.

I still use compensating resistive load (incandescent lamp 60 W) on power strip after the balanced power supply.

I did a test with a game to see if balanced power improves performance of computer, while gaming.
Test games were Elden Ring and Elite Dangerous. I don't play fps games.

I noticed that my computer was a bit quieter. I didn't notice any picture improvements.

I wish I could verify if this works for electrical input lag but I can't because I don't have it yet.
I can only give advice on what I think could solve the electrical input lag.
can u please send link to thhis exact balanced isolation transformer

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by cybepine » 04 Jan 2023, 08:02

dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 06:22
I will add one more tip. To be on safe side use DC blocker at transformer input, either external one or ask for built in one. It will get rid of buzz and make sure it is performing without saturation. Unless there is no DC present at all on grid and there is no transformer buzz.
Good tip.
My unit is almost completely silent.

Did balanced isolation transformer fix your issue? Completely, partially or none at all?

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by dervu » 04 Jan 2023, 08:36

cybepine wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 08:02
dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 06:22
I will add one more tip. To be on safe side use DC blocker at transformer input, either external one or ask for built in one. It will get rid of buzz and make sure it is performing without saturation. Unless there is no DC present at all on grid and there is no transformer buzz.
Good tip.
My unit is almost completely silent.

Did balanced isolation transformer fix your issue? Completely, partially or none at all?
So far it fixed it completely. It has been only 2 weeks.
My unit is so silent I have to stick my head close to it to hear anything - with DC blocker.
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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by assombrosso » 04 Jan 2023, 10:36

dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 08:36
cybepine wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 08:02
dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 06:22
I will add one more tip. To be on safe side use DC blocker at transformer input, either external one or ask for built in one. It will get rid of buzz and make sure it is performing without saturation. Unless there is no DC present at all on grid and there is no transformer buzz.
Good tip.
My unit is almost completely silent.

Did balanced isolation transformer fix your issue? Completely, partially or none at all?
So far it fixed it completely. It has been only 2 weeks.
My unit is so silent I have to stick my head close to it to hear anything - with DC blocker.
Amazing, can you link us the exact balanced isolation transformer you have purchased?how do you use it? And in terms of fixed the issue, can you go in detail regarding the improvements? Did the lag completely go ??’ Easy to spray, no stutter, no slowness etc

adelsa123
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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by adelsa123 » 04 Jan 2023, 11:35

DID THHHE TRANSFORMER ISOLATION FIX THHE STUTTRING AND INPUT LAG AND MOUSE FEELING TRASH Β§ AND DID IT MAKE IT SO SMOUTH AND EZ TO HIT Β§

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by texre » 04 Jan 2023, 13:13

dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 08:36
cybepine wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 08:02
dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 06:22
I will add one more tip. To be on safe side use DC blocker at transformer input, either external one or ask for built in one. It will get rid of buzz and make sure it is performing without saturation. Unless there is no DC present at all on grid and there is no transformer buzz.
Good tip.
My unit is almost completely silent.

Did balanced isolation transformer fix your issue? Completely, partially or none at all?
So far it fixed it completely. It has been only 2 weeks.
My unit is so silent I have to stick my head close to it to hear anything - with DC blocker.
No more prefires? No more weird characters movement? Good hit reg ?

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by dervu » 04 Jan 2023, 14:37

assombrosso wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 10:36
Amazing, can you link us the exact balanced isolation transformer you have purchased?how do you use it? And in terms of fixed the issue, can you go in detail regarding the improvements? Did the lag completely go ??’ Easy to spray, no stutter, no slowness etc
texre wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 13:13
No more prefires? No more weird characters movement? Good hit reg ?
Search in my recent posts for exact model. I do not want to link it in every topic, so I would look like some advertisement man.
I use it like that:
Socket -> DC blocker -> Cheater plug to not have ground connected*-> Balanced transformer -> RCD device** -> Powerbar with double pole switch*** -> Routers & PC & Monitor

I have FTTH, so there is no risk of anything coming through routers.

* - I do not advise to do it. Better try with connected ground. I already did so many things related to electricity I know how to handle that as safely as possible. I only do it like that for testing purposes to rule out things.
** - RCD to protect from any failures on either live or neutral
*** - Switch on powerbar disables both live and neutral

If by prefire you mean that every player looks like they prefire you every time, then no - it is not there.
Hitreg and peeking - no bullshit things. Movement and aiming feels exactly the same offline as online.
Mouse feels completely free. Light, but not floaty, same for keyboard inputs, character feels light.

Anyway, try to abstain from buying anything for now. This is very short time to be sure about anything. I have this issue for 10 years now. I have seen it all, from 1 day to 2 week improvements.
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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by adelsa123 » 04 Jan 2023, 17:32

dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 14:37
assombrosso wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 10:36
Amazing, can you link us the exact balanced isolation transformer you have purchased?how do you use it? And in terms of fixed the issue, can you go in detail regarding the improvements? Did the lag completely go ??’ Easy to spray, no stutter, no slowness etc
texre wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 13:13
No more prefires? No more weird characters movement? Good hit reg ?
Search in my recent posts for exact model. I do not want to link it in every topic, so I would look like some advertisement man.
I use it like that:
Socket -> DC blocker -> Cheater plug to not have ground connected*-> Balanced transformer -> RCD device** -> Powerbar with double pole switch*** -> Routers & PC & Monitor

I have FTTH, so there is no risk of anything coming through routers.

* - I do not advise to do it. Better try with connected ground. I already did so many things related to electricity I know how to handle that as safely as possible. I only do it like that for testing purposes to rule out things.
** - RCD to protect from any failures on either live or neutral
*** - Switch on powerbar disables both live and neutral

If by prefire you mean that every player looks like they prefire you every time, then no - it is not there.
Hitreg and peeking - no bullshit things. Movement and aiming feels exactly the same offline as online.
Mouse feels completely free. Light, but not floaty, same for keyboard inputs, character feels light.

Anyway, try to abstain from buying anything for now. This is very short time to be sure about anything. I have this issue for 10 years now. I have seen it all, from 1 day to 2 week improvements.
can u provide screenn shhot of those steps in ur home ! Socket -> DC blocker -> Cheater plug to not have ground connected*-> Balanced transformer -> RCD device** -> Powerbar with double pole switch*** -> Routers & PC & Monitor

u will help alot here ty

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by delve » 04 Jan 2023, 20:31

dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 14:37


If by prefire you mean that every player looks like they prefire you every time, then no - it is not there.
Hitreg and peeking - no bullshit things. Movement and aiming feels exactly the same offline as online.
Mouse feels completely free. Light, but not floaty, same for keyboard inputs, character feels light.
Did you have problems with peeking and hitreg before using this transformer thing?

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Re: The real reason why so many Eastern Europeans have input lag

Post by dervu » 05 Jan 2023, 06:16

delve wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 20:31
dervu wrote: ↑
04 Jan 2023, 14:37


If by prefire you mean that every player looks like they prefire you every time, then no - it is not there.
Hitreg and peeking - no bullshit things. Movement and aiming feels exactly the same offline as online.
Mouse feels completely free. Light, but not floaty, same for keyboard inputs, character feels light.
Did you have problems with peeking and hitreg before using this transformer thing?
Yes. It was not as extreme as some people show where most of the bullets don't hit, but it was enough to tell something was off. What was always worse than desync was inconsistency in inputs and overall game physics feeling weird.
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