My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 09 Mar 2024, 18:19

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
07 Mar 2024, 21:36
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Thank you so much for posting this!

Also, i'm just gonna hijack this reply in the hope that you see it. As you're the head of the site and you run everything, including all the monitor tests and the technical sites with all the technical explanations available on this site, I can't help myself to just say a big "Thank You"! Well, not only you, the entire Admin team really. Even before I started to experience some weird problems that I have now, I've frequented this site to make purchasing decisions and educate myself on various monitor tech. All the information on this site is really, really good and it has helped me in the past when buying monitors, and understanding the tech behind it. This thread obviously isn't meant for this but nontheless, a huge THANK YOU for what you do with this site and with all that you do. Deepest respect for everything. Also, thanks for having this section of the forum and allowing this to exist. Some threads in here would just be classified as "paranoid", or "conspiracy nuts" or anything along these lines on other forums. Most players who never felt these issues would chalk it up to "yeah it's you, you're bad, your computer is broken" or anything while for the people like us, it's painfully clear that this isn't actually what's happening. This forum is a fantastic place to have this discussion. Thank you so much for providing this platform and not be an "usual" admin who just doesn't like opinions that aren't your average everyday troubleshooting steps. Hats off to everybody involved in this. Thank you again for what you do.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by jeremy0118 » 19 Mar 2024, 14:12

I asked my uncle who is an electrician , and he suggested to buy a netfilter 230v ( or the voltage of your country ) , at least thats the name in dutch, not sure about the english naming. It plugs in your wall socket , to which you connect your computer. They are not very expensive.

"A mains filter is a device that you place between your socket and your audio equipment to purify and stabilize the current."

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Nightsaber » 21 Mar 2024, 13:47

I think your problem is the power transporter in your city need to be repair is there a way for you to contact your power company.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 22 Mar 2024, 06:58

Nightsaber wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 13:47
I think your problem is the power transporter in your city need to be repair is there a way for you to contact your power company.
Thanks for your suggestion. I don't exactly know what you mean, but I'll take a guess and say you mean the power transformer is the problem. Now this I think I can rule out as a problem, let me show you why:
I made a quick illustration with Paint showing where my village and the power transformer is located. Here it is: Image
As you can see, the village is surrounded by lots and lots of forest (the green marked areas). There is nothing around for kilometers on end. The transformer is located on the opposite side of the street. It has to be the one that supplys our village, as no other one is around. What makes me quite sure that this transformer can't be a problem is that I can simply go to another house within the same village and everything works flawlessly.

If instead you mean the power company themselves, yeah they might have something to do with it, but I've already called multiple electricians and a specilaized company, pointing them to possible problems with electricity and harmonics, and nobody found problems or any issues with the installation.

Nonetheless, thank you for the suggestion!

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by dervu » 22 Mar 2024, 09:46

I would ask neighbors who has air conditioning and ask to turn it off for testing time. It might be VFD used there.
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Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 22 Mar 2024, 17:40

dervu wrote:
22 Mar 2024, 09:46
I would ask neighbors who has air conditioning and ask to turn it off for testing time. It might be VFD used there.
I don't know if it's a Germany thing but ACs aren't a thing here. In this village, nobody has an AC unit. I couldn't tell anybody to turn them off. Thank you anyways for the suggestion.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » Today, 12:14

Hello again, dear community.

I've returned to this forum to give you guys an update on my situation and give an overview of things that have happened since I've last posted here. There is still no conclusive fix in here.

Since I've last posted in this forum there have been some changes towards my problem. Up until now I've "only" been plagued by heavy desync, bad hit detection and a general horrible feeling when playing games.

As my usual routine I'm reinstalling my Windows every other month, it's quick and easy enough to do. This time things have been different from the usual reinstalls, though. Immediately upon reaching the desktop I've noticed that the mouse movement also feels horrible now. I've stated before that I didn't feel bad mouse input, well that has changed until a week or so ago. Moving the mouse on the desktop now felt horrible, and "heavy". The typical feeling when there is input lag present. To make sure the installation wasn't corrupted, I've reinstalled a second time but the horrible mouse feeling stayed. This has terrified me because now it has been really, really annoying to even use the computer at all.

I've been on the search to remedy this situation and I've been coming across a thread I'm now unable to find again, but it has helped somewhat. I've been contemplating posting what I've found, because it's probably just another "software band aid" to a problem that lies so much deeper than what it seems. After thinking it through I've come to the realization that maybe somebody has this exact problem and can alleviate some horrendous mouse feeling with this. It's certainly worth a try.
I'm also aware that this isn't related to electricity, or any other form of "external" influences, so I'm technically in the wrong forum section now, but I don't want to open another thread just for this. I'm sorry if this isn't allowed, and if so, please remove my post accordingly. Thanks!

What it boils down to is some weird stuff that is happening in the device manager, pointing towards driver conflicts. If you open your device manager, you have to change the view first: Click on "View" in the top bar and select "Devices by connection". Scroll down until you find PCI-Express Root Complex and open it's subcontents. Every entry here has to be examined in the following way: Right-click an entry and select "Properties". Then, select "Events" on the top. Scroll down to the bottom of the events and look at the latest entry (for me, the latest entry is at the bottom. it might be different for you). If it says "Device not started", it is problematic. If it says anything else, like Device started, Device configured, or even nothing at all, that's all fine. Here is now where it gets tricky. Say there is a device that isn't started, you'll have to find a way to make it start correctly. What has done the trick for me is the following method, but this can be wildly different (I'll provide an example from my machine for reference along the way). Find out which device is affected by this problem. For me, there was multiple instances of "PCI Express Root Port" which showed as "not started". You then have to find the driver from the manufacturer for this device. In my case, it meant installing the chipset drivers. After doing this, open the task manager again and check if the device now started correctly. For me, it didn't and it would still show "Device not started". If you have this, right-click the device and select "uninstall". There should be a checkbox saying "Uninstall the driver software for this device", or similar. Do not check this box (important). After the "uninstall" has finished, reboot your computer. Go to device manager again, and the device should now show up as started. For me, this did the trick. I've now invested 3 hours doing this for every device that would show as "not started" and it improved the mouse feeling considerably.

Again, I believe this to be just another band-aid thing that just swipes the root problem somewhat under the rug. As I said before, I've read this in some post that now can't even be found in my browsing history, for whatever reason. I would love to link you to it, but it seems to be gone. I've already experimented with this underneath Windows 11 and it appears to be completely broken. For example, I could not get the "Device started" entry for my network card, no matter what I did and which drivers I used. On Windows 10, the method works immediately. This might come down to motherboard compatibility with newer Windows versions, for example my old Z490 motherboard was made with Windows 10 in mind and therefore might not be compatible with Windows 11. But this is all speculation from my side, and I can't provide data or evidence. Hell, for all I know this method could very well not even do anything, but it's still worth a try if your mouse feels bad.

The obligatory word of warning, but if you're not sure what you're doing or can't blind recover an installation, please don't try it. I haven't had anything broken by it, and I don't think it can break anything, but you never know. I'm not taking responsibility if you try and somehow manage to brick your install.

So, I'm now back to square 1 with the problem. Desync is still present and the root cause certainly hasn't been fixed yet. I just wanted to give you something to try out. Maybe this has helped one person, and if it did, I'm already happy. For all the others who suffer, I wish you good luck. Stay strong and keep the research up, we'll eventually find the cause and get rid of it.

Sincerely

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