Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by delve » 18 Nov 2021, 07:30

wadge wrote:
17 Nov 2021, 09:30
I'm looking for something like that : https://eu.ecoflow.com/fr/products/ecof ... 6897090724

Still nobody tried it ?
pox02 tried solar generator, I have read about 2 people successfully trying off grid cabins with solar power, but beware that most have had mouse lag issue even offline. If your problem is only hitreg in online games and you tried several different locations, ups and power conditioner and noticed zero differences, i am not sure your problem is electricity. Nevertheless if you are desperate like many of us and have a good return policy for the equipment, there is no reason not to try it.

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by delve » 18 Nov 2021, 07:47

Also i would make sure the thing is capable of pure sine wave, i don't see it advertised on the one you linked, but on this cheaper model it is:

https://eu.ecoflow.com/products/river-p ... 4607863972

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 06 Dec 2021, 04:40

delve wrote:
18 Nov 2021, 07:47
Also i would make sure the thing is capable of pure sine wave, i don't see it advertised on the one you linked, but on this cheaper model it is:

https://eu.ecoflow.com/products/river-p ... 4607863972
At only 288wH, that's a bit under 1 hour of gaming PC operation.

I'm keeping an eye on this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mang ... up-battery#/

A 7 kilowatt-hour battery for only $3K is rather cheap. I'm looking to get a solar install eventually (for other reasons), and I would like a cheap version of a Tesla PowerWall. Not for EMI-avoidance purposes (but as a whole-home UPS), but it could double to help to avoid grid-related EMI issues. Won't help if your EMI is from another appliance in your place, rather than from the grid...
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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by akylen » 12 Dec 2021, 17:22

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38
naporitan wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 17:33
The problem is that if you charge the battery from bad electricity, then the efficiency of these batteries drops over time.
False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 12 Dec 2021, 17:35

akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38
naporitan wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 17:33
The problem is that if you charge the battery from bad electricity, then the efficiency of these batteries drops over time.
False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by Plznoinputlag » 13 Dec 2021, 06:21

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:35
akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38
naporitan wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 17:33
The problem is that if you charge the battery from bad electricity, then the efficiency of these batteries drops over time.
False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
chief whats the reason of player models moving too fast like you forwarding the speed of a youtube video for example by 2x or 4x sometimes? holding angle in csgo valorant and other fps games its impossible every one is prefiring? i know its related to electricity but its neutral? hot wires? or grounding? whats the reason of it? i have benq 240hz btw.

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by InputLagger » 13 Dec 2021, 08:53

Plznoinputlag wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:21
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:35
akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38

False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
chief whats the reason of player models moving too fast like you forwarding the speed of a youtube video for example by 2x or 4x sometimes? holding angle in csgo valorant and other fps games its impossible every one is prefiring? i know its related to electricity but its neutral? hot wires? or grounding? whats the reason of it? i have benq 240hz btw.
I think, something wrong with interpolation, or how game runs on your pc, because all online games are partially offline, your computer gets packets from the server and then change players positions + interpolate.* < this is how it works in more simplest way. If you want go in to detail, you can watch some YouTube videos about it

* if netgraph have 0 packet loss,choke, and no server lag (in this situation something wrong with your / server (work) network)

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by akylen » 14 Dec 2021, 18:36

Plznoinputlag wrote:
13 Dec 2021, 06:21
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:35
akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38

False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
chief whats the reason of player models moving too fast like you forwarding the speed of a youtube video for example by 2x or 4x sometimes? holding angle in csgo valorant and other fps games its impossible every one is prefiring? i know its related to electricity but its neutral? hot wires? or grounding? whats the reason of it? i have benq 240hz btw.
Looking for that answer too , like what could it be , PC related or Network related , and what could we do to prevent that

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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 18 Dec 2021, 12:04

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:35
akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38
naporitan wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 17:33
The problem is that if you charge the battery from bad electricity, then the efficiency of these batteries drops over time.
False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
Here's an interesting scenario that I've always witnessed in my house. Whenever I charge my phone directly from my laptop, it would take more time in general for that charge to deplete versus when I charge it straight from a wall socket. I've had this problem since ages, but since it did not really make that much of an impact on my life, I didn't think that much of it or did not even try to dig deeper to find what may be causing the issue.
I had this problem on 2 Laptops and 4 different iphone models. 7, X, XS and 12pro. Laptops where Macbook Pro 2016 and M1 2021. None of my macbook chargers ever failed on me though. But I also noticed that within less than a month of buying the 2 laptops, the battery life would tremendously decrease. For example, within the first 1 week my Macbook M1 would literally need about 3 days to be charged again, 2nd week it was about 2 days give or take, and after a month it was down to 1 day for a charge at best.

Edit: Sorry forgot to add the main idea behind my post! So mainly, even though my Laptop's battery life was getting worse faster than it should, it was still able to charge my phones with "clean" electricity as apposed to having them charged via a wall socket.
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Re: Big Lithium Batteries can solve Bad Electricity Problems (UPS lasting 8 hours)

Post by Plznoinputlag » 22 Dec 2021, 13:48

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:35
akylen wrote:
12 Dec 2021, 17:22
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Oct 2021, 01:38
naporitan wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 17:33
The problem is that if you charge the battery from bad electricity, then the efficiency of these batteries drops over time.
False.

Bad electricity is never “stored”.

The inverters may degrade though, but the cells itself are perfect filters.

EDIT for clarification: Caveat added (interpretation) in subsequent post where bad electricity has a domino effect on battery longevity.
The FALSE point is that batteries are not tape-players on electricity waveforms.
The TRUE point is bad electricity can still degrade inverters/chargers that consequently degrade batteries, in a domino effect.
So you mean if I use for example a laptop pc, and I charge it up to 100%, unplug it, the energy remains dirty, or technically, it can not be stored and therefore be dirty?

If for example I do what I said above, and it still does not work, then could it not come from the electricity?

Sorry for my bad english , i'm using google translate lol

Thanks.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: It's not the same "badness" or "same kind of bad". It's a different kind of bad. For example, bad electricity damages battery or damages battery charger. Battery may behave differently. Charger may behave differently. (Not bad electricity) It's like a power surge that can damage electronics. It's more of a cascade effect or a dominoe effect. Like a charger stops charging a battery properly because an electric surge damaged the electronics inside the charger.
ok so i bought Ecoflow river pro with external battery 1400watt hours and its powering my rig with my monitor benq 2540 4-5 hours on battery but first time i plugged it has 50 percentage and all was perfect but after 30 min of gameplay i decided to charge it to 100% and to check how much time it will actually run on battery and everything became slow and the input lag came back the enemy models are too fast and blurry monitor so i think the batteries affected by the dirty electricity from charging it from my ac outlet and became shit like before ;( !! so its unfixable and i dont know what to do anymore at this time i give up and only solution is to move to other place.

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