Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Sirius » 03 Feb 2024, 16:35

r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
He specifically said that his xv272u 270hz with AU panel causes “headaches.” He believes this will somehow be fixed by finding a glossy panel, which I said I doubt it and that the current BOE 240hz is the only one I’ve found that’s bearable to look at so far for new panels.
Yes and I never talk about headaches as the main subject, yes that is also a reason, you're right but these BOE did not disappoint me mainly for that, there are several reasons why I have headaches and if you are curious, I am sensitive to the flickering of LEDs (like low-end LED strips for example) I see flicker with the naked eye, with two pairs of glasses ( that's also why i don't like strobing and mostly strobe CRT for example. ), am I an alien? maybe haha.

It's the same for the coating, let's take an example, if I put lots of fingerprints on glasses and I get used to seeing through them for a day like that, I'm going to have an intense headache because my eyes will force the focus through the dirt, it's a bit like the coating, I have EACH time less tension and an ease of focusing and reacting on Glossy screens, of course, not much and the comparison with my example is a bit laughable but it still counts, so maybe for you it doesn't change anything but for me and a few people around me, it matters.

But i have each time small headache when i look through a screen that have Quantum Dot filter ( but i love so much QD colors )
r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
I’m pretty picky when it comes to electronics, but as you can see from his signature, he’s already used like 40 different monitors


And you are not the only picky here, on the other hand, I wanted to tell you something, could you if possible stop diverting the discussion each time by bringing up another subject? like, yes, I tested more than 40 monitors and ? what's the problem? you answered my initial question, no need to go any further
r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
so the whole discussion is kind of a lost cause"


Are you ok ? you don't even know how I can tried these monitors or why I don't have them anymore, so how do you think the discussion is not useful? I don't understand you, you also say things like "Some doesn't like BOE panel / this INNOCN monitor flicker / this monitor is bad for overdrive" you do the same as me.
r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
Every monitor has some type of pros and cons but he doesn’t want to make any compromises on any type of drawbacks + wants glossy on top of that aka a virtually impossible task (no, he doesn’t like OLED either).


I have never said that I doesn't like OLED because i actually have a LG OLED TV... and i also doesn't say that the fact that I do not accept of having cons in a product, nothing is perfect but I am VERY demanding, so what's the problem ?

Have a very good day r0ach.
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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 03 Feb 2024, 16:40

r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
so the whole discussion is kind of a lost cause"
That's for the OP to decide; not you.
r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
Every monitor has some type of pros and cons but he doesn’t want to make any compromises on any type of drawbacks + wants glossy on top of that aka a virtually impossible task (no, he doesn’t like OLED either)
RED FLAG ALERT. The original poster never made a claim of not liking OLED.

Also, no two eyestrains are alike. Making assumptions is disingenious.

As a random example -- Person A can be eyestrained by [Set of 4 panels] while Person B can be eyestrained by [Subset of 2 panels of that 4] while Person C can be eyestrained by [DIFFERENT subset of 2 panels of that 4].

Yes, OLED certainly can be one of the 4 panels, but it can also be one of those panels that solves certain people's eyestrains (for either Person B or Person C). The double edged sword slices both ways!
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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Sirius » 03 Feb 2024, 16:43

kyube wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 12:57
TFTcentral has the roadmaps for 2024, I didn't see anything interesting.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/exciting- ... cs-edition
https://tftcentral.co.uk/videos/ips-bla ... ay-roadmap
Thanks for your help kyube !
that's sad :c

The Alienware AW2723DF and the Acer Nitro XV272UKF look also very nice in terms of possibility of smoothness, i've already like the Alienware AW2723DF and i've resend this monitor because of strong matte coating and bad black EQ implementation which add gray filter to the image and a weird veil of sharpness ( yes ik that's weird, thank you Alienware ) but this is probably the best feeling in terms of smoothness with overdrive tuned 1440p 240+ monitors that i've used.

Never test the Acer Nitro XV272UKF but look interesting, didn't know what panel this monitor use, maybe the same as the XG27AQMR.
Current temporary test : XV272UKF | Main monitor : XV272UX | I've had : 1080P : XL2566K / XL2546K / XL2546 / XL2540K / XL2746S / EX2510 / MAG251RX / NXG253R / MAG271CR / VG259QM / VG258QM / XG249CM / XG259CM / VG279QM / S2522HG / XG2431 / XG2405 / XG2702 / AW2518HF / AW2521HF / AW2720HF / 24G2U / Omen X 25 | 1440P : XV272UX / MAG274QRF-QD / 27GP850 / 27GN850 / AW2723DF / Omen X 27 / XG27AQM / XG27AQMR / S2721DGFA / Odyssey G7 / EX270QM / VG27AQML1A / XENEON 27QHD240 4K : U28G2XU2 / M32UC

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Post by Chief Blur Buster » 03 Feb 2024, 16:45

Antiglare coatings are often one of over 100+ ergonomic issues that exists with displays -- sometimes much bigger than other causes for some people. Glossy versus antiglare, can also be one of those ergonomic double edged swords, depending on the person.
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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Sirius » 03 Feb 2024, 16:46

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 16:40
r0ach wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 06:51
Every monitor has some type of pros and cons but he doesn’t want to make any compromises on any type of drawbacks + wants glossy on top of that aka a virtually impossible task (no, he doesn’t like OLED either)
RED FLAG ALERT. The original poster never made a claim of not liking OLED.

Also, no two eyestrains are alike. Making assumptions is disingenious.

Person A can be eyestrained by [Set of 4 panels] while Person B can be eyestrained by [Subset of 2 panels] while Person C can be eyestrained by [DIFFERENT subset of 2 panels].

Yes, OLED certainly can be one of them, but it can also be one of those panels that solves certain people's eyestrains.
The double edged sword slices both ways!

Thanks for the clarification, Chief.
I don't think we has to go any further, I don't want to have any negativity or difference here, we're here to learn and discuss but yes maybe, he must have wrong topic, it could happen to me sometimes and maybe I have difficulty expressing myself on some subjects.
His sentences were a little strong but I don't blame him :D
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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 03 Feb 2024, 16:53

Sirius wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 16:46
Thanks for the clarification, Chief.
I don't think we has to go any further, I don't want to have any negativity or difference here, we're here to learn and discuss but yes maybe, he must have wrong topic, it could happen to me sometimes and maybe I have difficulty expressing myself on some subjects.
His sentences were a little strong but I don't blame him :D
In case you're unfamiliar with that forum member and why he's under increased moderation watch on this specific forum, you might be unaware of his existing reputation in other discussion venues.

Either way, carry on with discussion.
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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by rx7 » 08 Feb 2024, 00:16

Sirius wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 16:35
But i have each time small headache when i look through a screen that have Quantum Dot filter ( but i love so much QD colors )
So QD filter is always a no go for you? How can that trigger headaches just curious! Not sure if I should stay away from QD OLED.

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Re: Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

Post by Sirius » 12 Feb 2024, 20:08

rx7 wrote:
08 Feb 2024, 00:16
Sirius wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 16:35
But i have each time small headache when i look through a screen that have Quantum Dot filter ( but i love so much QD colors )
So QD filter is always a no go for you? How can that trigger headaches just curious! Not sure if I should stay away from QD OLED.
Hey !
i've receive today the Acer XV272UKF which are the 300hz version on my actual monitor ( which are the XV272UX ) but here without QD panel and it's from Innolux, an IGZO IPS panel

The Acer XV272UX are a 1440p 270hz* IPS with a AUO Optronics panel
*OC mode

I compare it today and it was hilarious how the XV272UX that i have for years is incredibly bad ! i mean, this XV272UKF is just a basic IPS 300hz, not a huge bump between 240hz and 300hz but idk why, even on true 60fps videos on Youtube like this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ggzGbsEWE, the UKF version is absolutely more smooth than my actual UX version.

For colors, i'm used to Samsung things, QD things, they always look more reddish but after years of used that, i'm done, i don't like anymore this feeling, it strain so much my eyes and effectively when i take a zoomed picture, i can clearly see that green pixel is more much more present on the UKF and on the UX ( which are the QD model ) have more a blue/red pronounced pixel.

in fact, the QD has a chromatic abberation effect, it's more "pop", red will always be superior, especially colors like dark blood or that kind of thing, incredible on the QD, anyway the QD especially on my Acer XV272UX screen destroys the whole experience because even the white has a pinkish tint and it's "disgusting".

In addition, the input lag and the responsiveness (if we do constant 300fps) is a pure pleasure, the screen is indeed much smoother, I tried the Asus XG27AQMR and this new XV272UKF that I just received share all the two the same panel but this Acer seems smoother to me, already good news, even in extreme OD the overshoot is very reduced or almost imperceptible (it depends on your sensitivity) but of course, if you play at lower FPS the lower OD settings will be recommended.

I also noticed that this screen is not as frustrating for overdrive, the XV272UX (QD version) in normal OD will be "slow" and "jerky" and in extreme OD it will be more responsive but the overshoot will be unusable even at constant 270FPS.

On the UKF, the normal mode is not as slow and the extreme mode clearly does not have as much overshoot, it is still here my a little bit but the difference between the two is still obvious.

I'm going to try it for a few days, if I don't like it, I'll probably resend this XV272UKF ( which are not a damn trash BOE panel ) and test the Alienware QD-OLED 360hz but with all the cons I've heard about the Alienware QD-OLED it doesn't really make me want to buy it lmao.
Current temporary test : XV272UKF | Main monitor : XV272UX | I've had : 1080P : XL2566K / XL2546K / XL2546 / XL2540K / XL2746S / EX2510 / MAG251RX / NXG253R / MAG271CR / VG259QM / VG258QM / XG249CM / XG259CM / VG279QM / S2522HG / XG2431 / XG2405 / XG2702 / AW2518HF / AW2521HF / AW2720HF / 24G2U / Omen X 25 | 1440P : XV272UX / MAG274QRF-QD / 27GP850 / 27GN850 / AW2723DF / Omen X 27 / XG27AQM / XG27AQMR / S2721DGFA / Odyssey G7 / EX270QM / VG27AQML1A / XENEON 27QHD240 4K : U28G2XU2 / M32UC

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