Eystrain after switching to OLED TV

[kajetaneli]

Hello,
I bought a Philips 818 (55) OLED TV. Previously, I used a Samsung JU7000 (48) for many years. I placed the new Philips a bit further away. I feel eye fatigue and some kind of pressure in the eyeballs after a short time of use. Jumping between tasks and differences in brightness (dark spotify vs. white page in Edge) is irritating, I feel as if these flashes are unpleasant for the eyes, but maybe that's not what causes the symptoms... I lowered the brightness, OLED contrast a lot, turned off shifting pixels, turned on warm colors, reduced gamma, set 120Hz in Windows the same as in the screen - the problem with eye pressure is smaller, but still occurs. Even when only reading Blur Busters topics about similar or bigger problems of this type . Or maybe it's the combination of OLED + reading black text on a white screen? I also had the impression that it was difficult for me to focus on an object/text. Eyestrain, slightly burning when I close my eyes, need to squint. I have never had any eye problems with any screens, I could play on a PC connected to a JU7000 for 20/30 hours in a row and everything was great (not with gaming, but with my eyes ). Now I also use a PC connected to a TV - my eyes get tired in a moment even on a static image. More and more the longer I am in front of the screen.

I won't get the difference in price back, but I can get an LED TV instead + choose some other products from the media store. I don't know if anything will change if I choose one of the cheaper Philips LEDs with Ambilight* (*i need it) instead of OLED - what do you think? There are 60Hz ones and 120Hz ones. There were 100,000 potential reasons described on the forum, but maybe something from my post will shorten that list... If it's a matter of some new technology that is in all new TVs, I will buy a second-hand JU7000 for ~200 euros and give up the image quality/ambilight

This is the first time I'm using an OLED screen, the first time I'm using a 120Hz one. An impulsive, expensive purchase with no possibility of return, not to mention the potential for screen burn-in... I can't remember any more sins... Please help!

P.S. And when I just set 24Hz in Windows while locking 120Hz on the TV - I felt like my eyes were about to go crazy.

[RealNC]

You can try switching Windows to dark mode, force dark mode in the web browser and use the Dark Reader browser extension as well.

That's what I've been doing for like a decade now.

[kyube]

Hello,
I bought a Philips 818 (55) OLED TV. Previously, I used a Samsung JU7000 (48) for many years. I placed the new Philips a bit further away. I feel eye fatigue and some kind of pressure in the eyeballs after a short time of use. Jumping between tasks and differences in brightness (dark spotify vs. white page in Edge) is irritating, I feel as if these flashes are unpleasant for the eyes, but maybe that's not what causes the symptoms... I lowered the brightness, OLED contrast a lot, turned off shifting pixels, turned on warm colors, reduced gamma, set 120Hz in Windows the same as in the screen - the problem with eye pressure is smaller, but still occurs. Even when only reading Blur Busters topics about similar or bigger problems of this type . Or maybe it's the combination of OLED + reading black text on a white screen? I also had the impression that it was difficult for me to focus on an object/text. Eyestrain, slightly burning when I close my eyes, need to squint. I have never had any eye problems with any screens, I could play on a PC connected to a JU7000 for 20/30 hours in a row and everything was great (not with gaming, but with my eyes ). Now I also use a PC connected to a TV - my eyes get tired in a moment even on a static image. More and more the longer I am in front of the screen.

I won't get the difference in price back, but I can get an LED TV instead + choose some other products from the media store. I don't know if anything will change if I choose one of the cheaper Philips LEDs with Ambilight* (*i need it) instead of OLED - what do you think? There are 60Hz ones and 120Hz ones. There were 100,000 potential reasons described on the forum, but maybe something from my post will shorten that list... If it's a matter of some new technology that is in all new TVs, I will buy a second-hand JU7000 for ~200 euros and give up the image quality/ambilight

This is the first time I'm using an OLED screen, the first time I'm using a 120Hz one. An impulsive, expensive purchase with no possibility of return, not to mention the potential for screen burn-in... I can't remember any more sins... Please help!

P.S. And when I just set 24Hz in Windows while locking 120Hz on the TV - I felt like my eyes were about to go crazy.

You could be having issues with the Ambilight (ambient lighting placed at the back of the display)
I'd try finding something without it.
Or perhaps the display scanout brightness dip.

[kajetaneli]

Ambilight was disabled. The eyes were tense and so tired very quickly, this did not happen even with VERY long sessions with the LED JU7000. I wonder if it could be a matter of OLED contrast or this technology in general... Some people have some problems with OLEDs.

I'm gonna replace bought product but question is: for what? Some LED? I'll go to the market and sit in front of TV's and check it by myseld

[RealNC]

Ambilight was disabled. The eyes were tense and so tired very quickly, this did not happen even with VERY long sessions with the LED JU7000. I wonder if it could be a matter of OLED contrast or this technology in general... Some people have some problems with OLEDs.

I'm gonna replace bought product but question is: for what? Some LED? I'll go to the market and sit in front of TV's and check it by myseld

Well, maybe you're affected by the pulsing of OLED. It's not full-on flicker, but there is a pulsing dip in brightness that corresponds to the refresh rate. You can point the video camera of your phone on the OLED and it should start showing the typical signs of PWM-like displays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i21pM53pVE

The two on the left are OLEDs (an iPhone and an LG OLED TV,) to the right is an IPS screen.

[kajetaneli]

Well, maybe you're affected by the pulsing of OLED. It's not full-on flicker, but there is a pulsing dip in brightness that corresponds to the refresh rate. You can point the video camera of your phone on the OLED and it should start showing the typical signs of PWM-like displays:
The two on the left are OLEDs (an iPhone and an LG OLED TV,) to the right is an IPS screen.

Thank you very much, that's appreciated. Do you think 120Hz might be a case? I've always used only 60.

[RealNC]

Thank you very much, that's appreciated. Do you think 120Hz might be a case? I've always used only 60.

The higher the Hz, the less noticeable the pulsing becomes since it happens at a higher frequency.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Flicker is one of the possible culprits, but it's only roughly 50-50 odds.
Odds are you're affected by a different OLED attribute (screendoor, antiglare, pixel structure, brightness, color gamut, blue light, etc), FOV change, size change, viewing distance change, refresh rate change, brightness change, ClearType setting change, etc.

You will have to do a lot of tests to narrow down your more niche-cause of eyestrain, as the various causes of eyestrain often resemble an infinite pie chart with progressively thinner slices. PWM is simply one of the bigger slices, but you should also check other stones, since LCDs also have flickers of different kinds too (e.g. LCD inversion flicker, VRR flicker, backlight PWM flicker at lower brightness, etc).

Sometimes the easiest move is simply to downgrade. For some, OLED reduces eyestrain, and for others OLED increases eyestrain (all things equal). It's best to try both ways.

[kajetaneli]

Thank You, everyone! I replaced the OLED with an LCD 50PUS8959 (VA) and a cleaning robot. Now at least the wedding gift is 50/50 . Eystrain is no longer a problem, although I have the impression, bordering on placebo, that this LCD strains the eyes more than the old Samsung JU7000. But maybe is just OK...? So far so good. God bless you!