Can we freaking have a no BOE panel ?! ( 1440p 240hz~ )

[Sirius]

Everything is in the title.

I tested 2 1440p IPS screens at high refresh rate recently wich have the same panel apparently, a BOE panel ( M27QX, VG27AQML1A ), the coating are ultra matte and colors are very flat and the motion blur and fluidity are really bad overall

Is there a site that announces new screen ? particularly IPS ? (I couldn't spend on OLEDs for more than 1000 euros) and I had the Corsair Xeneon 27 inches 1440p 240hz which was disastrous for an OLED (I myself was shocked because it was so bad) mostly in terms of sharpness/colors and smoothness.

But I have the impression that 1440p is being abandoned and especially with IPS, the recent panels are only bad BOE (which also gives me headaches), where is other brands panel seriously ?

Is there any way to know if there will be AUO Optronics / Innolux or other brands that will offer panels in 1440p resolution at minimum 240hz? (more hertz doesn't bother me)

The PG27AQN looks perfect but way too expensive, i'm still blocked with my Acer XV272UX 1440P IPS 270hz but this screen hurt my eyes in desktop usage due to Quantum Dots filter and the implementation of the overdrive are not the best in terms of responsivness and motion blur performance, clearly.

What do you recommend actually ?

[jorimt]

Closest thing I know of to a panel list (may not be complete):
https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts

[r0ach]

Everything is in the title.

No, because BOE is the ONLY brand of 1440p 240hz panel that doesn't have unbearable eye strain. I've used the VG27AQML1A and it does look like garbage due to overly aggressive matte coating, but the Acer W2 with BOE panel I also used didn't seem to have as bad of coating (but doesn't look very good due to no SRGB clamp). And the BOE panel in the LG 1440p 240hz seems to be even less grainy for coating than either of those.

As you can see in the following guy's picture (not mine), the LG with BOE panel is probably the only one that looks good due to having both functional SRGB clamp + not overly grainy. The downside is that it uses DSC by default which causes input lag in order to give you 10bit + dithering color (which increases eye strain). If you use an Nvidia card it's not a huge problem because you can just set color to 8bit to turn off DSC, but anyone serious using AMD will be running in driver only mode to lower input lag and have no control panel to change from 10 to 8 bit.

But, yes, these panels are not insanely fast or anything. But the LG version can at least look okay if you aren't affected by the DSC or dithering problem.



I've used all these panels and even the Innocn 27G1S has enormous eye strain compared to my Samsung VA, so you have literally 0 options besides current gen 240hz BOE. There are reports that the 180hz native AU panel in these new monitors that recently came out has low eye strain as well, but I haven't tried one. The problem with those for me is that I found displayport to feel less responsive than HDMI at 144hz, and the only way I found displayport to be usable was on 240hz panels. Dropping to 180hz displayport would probably feel meh again.

[kyube]

Everything is in the title.

I tested 2 1440p IPS screens at high refresh rate recently wich have the same panel apparently, a BOE panel ( M27QX, VG27AQML1A ), the coating are ultra matte and colors are very flat and the motion blur and fluidity are really bad overall

Is there a site that announces new screen ? particularly IPS ? (I couldn't spend on OLEDs for more than 1000 euros) and I had the Corsair Xeneon 27 inches 1440p 240hz which was disastrous for an OLED (I myself was shocked because it was so bad) mostly in terms of sharpness/colors and smoothness.

But I have the impression that 1440p is being abandoned and especially with IPS, the recent panels are only bad BOE (which also gives me headaches), where is other brands panel seriously ?

Is there any way to know if there will be AUO Optronics / Innolux or other brands that will offer panels in 1440p resolution at minimum 240hz? (more hertz doesn't bother me)

The PG27AQN looks perfect but way too expensive, i'm still blocked with my Acer XV272UX 1440P IPS 270hz but this screen hurt my eyes in desktop usage due to Quantum Dots filter and the implementation of the overdrive are not the best in terms of responsivness and motion blur performance, clearly.

What do you recommend actually ?

Apart from the PG27AQN, 27G1S and X 27, I don't think you're gonna get a wildly different experience in the LCD 1440p240hz sphere for quite a while.
Almost all monitors in that category use the same panels (as you've probably noticed with the amount of them you've tested) and they're unbearably slow + have some lingering eyestrain concern reported by a noticable amount of people here.
If you can tolerate the OLED flicker, perhaps something like the 1440p360hz or 1440p240hz OLED's might be good.
Just a heads-up, at least on the LG WOLED derivatives, the flicker looks like this

[r0ach]

Like I alluded to in another post, 27G1S is subjectively close to CRT-like speed in actual use where you don't actually feel like there's any type of blur holding you back from doing anything (like on a slower BOE or LG panel). But it seems any type of panel reaching that speed that's NOT a TN will be using some form of ultra-thin film panel technology that mangles your eyes after using it more than an hour straight because that's how the 27G1S is for me. Unless it's somehow only the fault of the backlighting, but I think it's a combination of both.

Unless someone can convince these imbeciles running the monitor companies to switch back to STANDARD GAMUT RGB BACKLIGHTING + NORMAL, thicker, a-SI instead of LTPS-like, thin films, probably all these new monitors are going to be totally unusable. I haven't used the G7 so I don't know if it has the same problem as the 27G1S, but I don't see (any? many?) complaints online about eye strain looking at it, so that might be as fast as non-TN panels get without killing you.

It does use DSC though which is probably going to cause unresponsive mouse movement unless you can force it off by forcing 8bit color.

[Sirius]

Closest thing I know of to a panel list (may not be complete):
https://tftcentral.co.uk/monitor_panel_parts

Is it a list of panels already released that TFT Central is testing or is it a list that should arrive in the future?

[r0ach]

Is it a list of panels already released that TFT Central is testing or is it a list that should arrive in the future?

This is the best for latest releases. Anything posted on there will probably take weeks before you see it in stores:

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en

[Sirius]

No, because BOE is the ONLY brand of 1440p 240hz panel that doesn't have unbearable eye strain. I've used the VG27AQML1A and it does look like garbage due to overly aggressive matte coating, but the Acer W2 with BOE panel I also used didn't seem to have as bad of coating (but doesn't look very good due to no SRGB clamp). And the BOE panel in the LG 1440p 240hz seems to be even less grainy for coating than either of those.

As you can see in the following guy's picture (not mine), the LG with BOE panel is probably the only one that looks good due to having both functional SRGB clamp + not overly grainy. The downside is that it uses DSC by default which causes input lag in order to give you 10bit + dithering color (which increases eye strain). If you use an Nvidia card it's not a huge problem because you can just set color to 8bit to turn off DSC, but anyone serious using AMD will be running in driver only mode to lower input lag and have no control panel to change from 10 to 8 bit.

But, yes, these panels are not insanely fast or anything. But the LG version can at least look okay if you aren't affected by the DSC or dithering problem.



I've used all these panels and even the Innocn 27G1S has enormous eye strain compared to my Samsung VA, so you have literally 0 options besides current gen 240hz BOE. There are reports that the 180hz native AU panel in these new monitors that recently came out has low eye strain as well, but I haven't tried one. The problem with those for me is that I found displayport to feel less responsive than HDMI at 144hz, and the only way I found displayport to be usable was on 240hz panels. Dropping to 180hz displayport would probably feel meh again.

I actually have the XV272UX with an AUO Optronics and this screen gives me the least headaches, so i disagree for the first part of your comment, it's not necessarily the BOE that gives less headaches, it is the contrary for me, I obtain headache with two recent panels of BOE in 1440p and also 1 in 4K.


Didn't know the "Acer W2" it is 1440p 240hz ? anyway we are both agree that the "VG27AQML1A" is hugely garbage, i've put a picture here few month ago about the horrible coating in comparison to my XV272UX, the M27QX REV.2 that i've also had have the same BOE on the VG27AQML1A and the coating was similar and same performance, same colors etc

What do you mean by " SRGB clamp" ? DSC is normally disable when you are on NVIDIA GPU and if you only use 8 bits ( if it's true 8 bits ), mine for example use 8 bits + FRC for 10 bits but i only use 8 bits ( otherwise the screen has very slow alt-tabs ) oops, i've only read that you literally have said the same thing xD

About the LG, i honestly don't know...i literally avoid all BOE panel, they are too bad for me, i absolutely didn't like how they manage Overdrive, colorimetry etc, in hands their panel look dull, not fast at all, i've tested some trick with CRU few month ago and also take a 7900XTX and 4070Ti but even by changing the GPU it doesn't affect the performance of the monitors.

You talk a lot about eyestrain but in fact first of all I'm looking for a screen that has good performance on the motion blur side, good input lag without having BOE, I don't get eyestrain but headaches quickly (no matter what the manufacturer) because I need glossy.

I avoid BOE because i pratically test all of their recent panel and they all show same performance ( because the panel are the same for 3/4 screen ) and performance doesn't change at all, where is AUO and Innolux ? i don't understand why there is literally no option at all, not all people need or want OLED.

Maybe the AUO 180hz is good but sorry i only want 240hz minimum.

[r0ach]

I don't get eyestrain but headaches quickly (no matter what the manufacturer) because I need glossy.

There is no way a glossy panel is going to be any help for that.

[Sirius]

Apart from the PG27AQN, 27G1S and X 27, I don't think you're gonna get a wildly different experience in the LCD 1440p240hz sphere for quite a while.
Almost all monitors in that category use the same panels (as you've probably noticed with the amount of them you've tested) and they're unbearably slow + have some lingering eyestrain concern reported by a noticable amount of people here.
If you can tolerate the OLED flicker, perhaps something like the 1440p360hz or 1440p240hz OLED's might be good.
Just a heads-up, at least on the LG WOLED derivatives, the flicker looks like this which I pressume (I'm not sure if this is how it's read) is a dip from 100% brightness to 50% brightness every refresh cycle (4.17ms)

The thing is :

- PG27AQN = Overpriced, i literally can't
- X 27 = I've already tested and the TN at 1440p resolution mixed to his ultra matte coating, is a no go for me, plus, motion performance and how i perceive motion blur on this screen was not that good in front of my eyes.

And for the 27G1S, i didn't test this one ( maybe it's good, idk ) but yeah that's what annoys me, they almost all have the same panel...and that's what I find illogical, why the competition between Innolux, AUO and the others no longer exists in this range of screens , why are the old 1440p 240hz no longer produced? I absolutely don't understand.

In fact, I don't know if I'm sensitive to OLED flicker but know that for me, strobing (DyAc / ELMB etc) are not compatible with me and I get a hot head 10 minutes later and a headache, anyway when there are high speed white flashes on my LG OLED 60hz TV like for exemple a song from Venjent or something (one of the worst LG OLED > LG 48A1) well the flash is so bright and fast at the same time (because the LG that I have is a WOLED and therefore with a white subpixel) well so I tolerate it moderately.

Plus I've seen a LOT of people on Reddit and even the Fresh Review guy literally sending back the Alienware QD-OLED because it gives headaches and eyestrain, me being sensitive, it's scary...so I literally have no hope anymore.

Do we know when there will be the next 1440p IPS at high refresh rate ? please tell me yes