asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Ask about motion blur reduction in gaming monitors. Includes ULMB (Ultra Low Motion Blur), NVIDIA LightBoost, ASUS ELMB, BenQ/Zowie DyAc, Turbo240, ToastyX Strobelight, etc.
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asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Post by ballot » 30 May 2018, 09:11

Hi when i use my monitor at 240hz + gysnc , browsing web
as example when i am scrolling page down i see some blurring , also in games too
but 144hz + ulmb makes me feel much better in games and in reading texts too,

not sure how to name it but i can show

this one is 240hz + gsync results Image

this one is 144hz + ulmb results Image

look to the ufo in the middle , the 240hz has always leaves something behind when background is lighter and its clearly visible

is it normal , can i fix it?

my gpu is gtx 1080ti best regards

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Re: asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Post by mello » 30 May 2018, 09:32

Although your photos look contradictory (and not accurate) to me... but still:
ballot wrote: look to the ufo in the middle, the 240hz has always leaves something behind when background is lighter and its clearly visible
When using 240Hz+GSYNC, use Normal OD setting, and not Extreme. This should fix the problem.

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Re: asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Post by ballot » 30 May 2018, 09:47

mello wrote:Although your photos look contradictory (and not accurate) to me... but still:
ballot wrote: look to the ufo in the middle, the 240hz has always leaves something behind when background is lighter and its clearly visible
When using 240Hz+GSYNC, use Normal OD setting, and not Extreme. This should fix the problem.
Chase Test with background white

240hz + gysnc : Image
140hz + ulmb : Image

as you see the orange bar's a part is totally red always, when i made the test as first i thinked test's normally as that.

and now i tested with closing OD. it now worked fixed the bugs. but what exactly is OD.
thank you anyway

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Post by RealNC » 30 May 2018, 10:02

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Re: asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Post by Vipu » 02 Jun 2018, 16:39

Well, that is what ulmb does? Removes blur.

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Post by Chief Blur Buster » 02 Jun 2018, 17:22

It's normal for 144Hz ULMB to be sharper than 240Hz non-ULMB.

This is just a normal feature of strobe backlights. We've noticed this behaviour with LightBoost a few years back where even 100Hz LightBoost was much clearer than 144Hz:

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Currently, right now, it would require approximately a ~1000Hz display to achieve the same motion clarity as modern ULMB displays. A good educational article about how to reduce motion blur without strobing (ala LightBoost/ULMB) is found at Blur Busters Law: The Amazing Journey To Future 1000Hz Displays.

Blur reduction via strobe backlights:
4ms flash = 4ms MPRT persistence
2ms flash = 2ms MPRT persistence
1ms flash = 1ms MPRT persistence

Blur reduction via flickerfree ultra-high Hz
4ms refresh cycle (~240Hz) = 4ms MPRT persistence
2ms refresh cycle (~480Hz) = 2ms MPRT persistence
1ms refresh cycle (~1000Hz) = 1ms MPRT persistence

So that's why low-Hz strobing can sometimes look better than high-Hz unstrobed.

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Re: asus pg258q gives better results at 120hz than 240hz

Post by RealNC » 03 Jun 2018, 02:56

I didn't notice you're using ULMB.

Yes, 144Hz ULMB is much clearer than 240Hz non-ULMB. In fact, even 60Hz ULMB is much clearer than 240Hz non-ULMB. 60Hz ULMB is usuallyy as clear as 1000Hz non-ULMB.

Why do you think so many people here still love CRT monitors? :mrgreen: They're even better than LCD monitors with ULMB.
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