Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by fernan1234 » 02 Dec 2020, 16:45

I love that this topic exists.

No one has been able to test the XL2411K? It seems better on paper and is more readily available than the P.

Excited about next year's offerings too. Do we have an estimated release date for those?

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Angel Soler » 03 Dec 2020, 11:01

fernan1234 wrote:
02 Dec 2020, 16:45
I love that this topic exists.

No one has been able to test the XL2411K? It seems better on paper and is more readily available than the P.

Excited about next year's offerings too. Do we have an estimated release date for those?
Hello Fernan1234,

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopi ... =13&t=7732

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by fernan1234 » 03 Dec 2020, 14:02

Angel Soler wrote:
03 Dec 2020, 11:01
fernan1234 wrote:
02 Dec 2020, 16:45
I love that this topic exists.

No one has been able to test the XL2411K? It seems better on paper and is more readily available than the P.

Excited about next year's offerings too. Do we have an estimated release date for those?
Hello Fernan1234,

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopi ... =13&t=7732
Thank you for the response! I actually found that topic while my previous post was being approved, and was disappointed to see that the K does not work for our 60hz single strobe purposes. So it has to be the P, though that one unfortunately cannot avoid crosstalk for the entire screen. Hopefully the two monitors released next year will not have any crosstalk issues at all.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by AddictFPS » 10 Dec 2020, 03:11

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
31 Oct 2020, 19:56
  • Beginning in 2021, Blur Busters Approved makes 60Hz single-strobe mandatory.
    SOLUTION: Add menu ("Enable 60Hz Single Strobe [ON/OFF]") with it OFF by default to prevent user complaints. Advanced users should be able to intentionally enable this setting.
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  • Strobing should be supported at all supported refresh rates.
    SOLUTION: Add menu ("Unlock Unsuppored Strobe Refresh Rates [ON/OFF]") to prevent user complaints. As Intel lets people unlock CPU clocks, monitor manufacturers should enable advanced users to uncap strobe ranges.
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 10 Dec 2020, 03:16

fernan1234 wrote:
03 Dec 2020, 14:02
Thank you for the response! I actually found that topic while my previous post was being approved, and was disappointed to see that the K does not work for our 60hz single strobe purposes. So it has to be the P, though that one unfortunately cannot avoid crosstalk for the entire screen. Hopefully the two monitors released next year will not have any crosstalk issues at all.
If you use PC-based 60Hz, you may be able to use Vertical Total 4500 to eliminate crosstalk for 60Hz while also producing a Quick Frame Transport effect (faster transmission of refresh cycle to allow it to be strobed sooner).

Consoles won't be able to do this, but this is a trick that PCs can do.
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by netwebber » 19 Dec 2020, 12:17

The Samsung Q50R 32" and Q60 series 4K VA QLED TVs also have 60Hz single-strobe, but unfortunately not in gaming mode. They also have component inputs, but I'm not sure if strobing is supported while using them. I have the Q50R for dual monitor/TV use, and I must say the implementation is not very good.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 19 Dec 2020, 19:56

netwebber wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 12:17
The Samsung Q50R 32" and Q60 series 4K VA QLED TVs also have 60Hz single-strobe, but unfortunately not in gaming mode. They also have component inputs, but I'm not sure if strobing is supported while using them. I have the Q50R for dual monitor/TV use, and I must say the implementation is not very good.
Thanks for the additional data!

Have you tried a large vertical total? Whenever halving refresh rate, double your VT. For example, displays that does 120Hz VT1125 can sometimes do 60Hz VT2250. On some panels, this can make it easier to hide LCD GtG in the VBI in total darkness between strobe flashes, reducing strobe crosstalk of single-strobe.
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by netwebber » 19 Dec 2020, 22:40

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 19:56
netwebber wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 12:17
The Samsung Q50R 32" and Q60 series 4K VA QLED TVs also have 60Hz single-strobe, but unfortunately not in gaming mode. They also have component inputs, but I'm not sure if strobing is supported while using them. I have the Q50R for dual monitor/TV use, and I must say the implementation is not very good.
Thanks for the additional data!

Have you tried a large vertical total? Whenever halving refresh rate, double your VT. For example, displays that does 120Hz VT1125 can sometimes do 60Hz VT2250. On some panels, this can make it easier to hide LCD GtG in the VBI in total darkness between strobe flashes, reducing strobe crosstalk of single-strobe.
Oh, I have no reason to run 60Hz strobing on that monitor (I have Carts for old console games). I'm just putting it out there for you.

The Q50R doesn't do 120Hz. I wish it did!

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 19 Dec 2020, 22:42

netwebber wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 22:40
Oh, I have no reason to run 60Hz strobing on that monitor (I have Carts for old console games). I'm just putting it out there for you.

The Q50R doesn't do 120Hz. I wish it did!
No wonder it is bad quality. Max-Hz strobing is usually crappy quality, and refreshrate headroom on LCDs is the magic way to improve strobe quality.
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by elexor » 20 Dec 2020, 03:25

I have a q60r that does singlestrobe but unfortunately it's got alot of crosstalk being a VA and not capable of high VT modes.

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