Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Ask about motion blur reduction in gaming monitors. Includes ULMB (Ultra Low Motion Blur), NVIDIA LightBoost, ASUS ELMB, BenQ/Zowie DyAc, Turbo240, ToastyX Strobelight, etc.
elexor
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by elexor » 18 Nov 2020, 18:17

Yup i have been watching ps5 game footage at 60fps and it looks amazing like astro's playroom is 60fps and never drops frames.

I wish I had the knowledge to utilize the zisworks backlight controller

Only thing i will say personally 60fps is not enough for desktop use or mouse look games the reason being mouse feel is very choppy at 60fps even on a pc crt. but controller games are perfectly fine.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Angel Soler » 19 Nov 2020, 01:06

You have no idea what I like to read your comments :) . I thought that nobody had an opinion like me and that nobody gave as much importance to the problem of blurring.

I'm 44 years old, and I've been playing vídeo games for as long as I can remember. And I am a pure console gamer.
The 60hz and the absence of lag are necessary.
Even the new consoles, although there are games that reach 120 hz, the standard will remain 60 hz.

Really, I am very happy to have discovered this forum and to find players who value so much what I value. :) .

And the discovery of the Blur Buster Utility has been Nirvana. (thanks, Chief. I'm your fan :). )

Greetings


P.S: Excuse my English. I am Spanish, and I am using the google translator to express myself better.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by CubanLegend » 20 Nov 2020, 00:05

so where exactly can i find examples of the 60Hz Strobing quality of the BenQ XL2411 Series?

elexor
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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by elexor » 21 Nov 2020, 01:14

Never tested the XL2411

I have used single strobe with a XL2430 and there's just no hiding the crosstalk band with that monitor. pretty much makes it a non starter for me. The problem is it can't support more then a 1350VT.

XL2411 could be different i don't know.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by thatoneguy » 21 Nov 2020, 07:40

AddictFPS wrote:
03 Nov 2020, 07:38
I still use 21" shadow mask CRT for some games, and the fact subpixels are circles in a triangle array Vs 90 degree corners in LCD, make aliasing a bit less agressive than LCD of the same pixel size. Differece is very subtle. Of course, is needed also high quality GPU AA for get excellent results.

CRT hardware antialiasing is another thing, is apply supersampling with beam. With custom resolution, increase progressive resolution above monitor specs and reduce frequency to not exceed KHz limit. This maintain GPU load, but refreshrate is reduced. Beam is forced to draw more tight horizontal lines. This cause a type of "hardware AA" (uncontrolled), but increase flicker (reduced refresh), add input lag (betwhen refresh time), and there are color mixing (blurred image).

I prefer maintain pixel sharpness, color quality and higher frequency. Ok high quality GPU AA cause excesive GPU load, is needed upgrade GPU, but result in better image quality. If resolution is forced beyond physical pixel size, allways result in blurred image.

Some people use CRT even with custom interlaced resolutions, in order to double vertical resolution maintaining the frequency. This cause blurred anti-aliasing effect, and introduce interlaced motion artifacts, the same ones of old video interlaced signals.

This can't be done with LCD or OLED. Increase resolution to 4K 8K 16K and GPU horsepower, is the way to erradicate aliasing and shimmering completely in a natural way. Goal is a bit above max know retina resolution. Above this = useless waste of resources. GPU AA is a temporal patch to emulate it.

Samsung OLED can manufacture up to 10,000 dpi panels. For monitor is not needed insane 10,000 at 50cm distance to reach retina. At this point, AA becomes obsolete. Like place smartphone QHD at 50cm and try see pixels, only light and colors, never more ugly square dots. Text fonts become amazingly sharp, perfect curves.
I know this is a bit of an old post but most LED screens(ones used in signage) use round-shaped pixels. Think dot trio shadow mask on steroids.
With MicroLED's insanely high brightness they could potentially get away with using round pixels.

That said the far future is in holographic displays
-Can have pixels of any kind of shape and of any aspect ratio
-Display aspect ratio would be completely agnostic
-Screen could shrink/expand to any size
-Screen could be any shape
etc.

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by CubanLegend » 22 Nov 2020, 09:13

elexor wrote:
21 Nov 2020, 01:14
Never tested the XL2411

I have used single strobe with a XL2430 and there's just no hiding the crosstalk band with that monitor. pretty much makes it a non starter for me. The problem is it can't support more then a 1350VT.

XL2411 could be different i don't know.
I misspoke, my apologies. I meant to ask "where can i find examples of 60hz SINGLE strobing" like with a comparison pursuit photos?

I'm looking for the amazing 120Hz XG270 level of motion clarity at 60hz as well.. and is there any monitor that offers both those options?

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Angel Soler » 23 Nov 2020, 08:56

CubanLegend wrote:
22 Nov 2020, 09:13
elexor wrote:
21 Nov 2020, 01:14
Never tested the XL2411

I have used single strobe with a XL2430 and there's just no hiding the crosstalk band with that monitor. pretty much makes it a non starter for me. The problem is it can't support more then a 1350VT.

XL2411 could be different i don't know.
I misspoke, my apologies. I meant to ask "where can i find examples of 60hz SINGLE strobing" like with a comparison pursuit photos?

I'm looking for the amazing 120Hz XG270 level of motion clarity at 60hz as well.. and is there any monitor that offers both those options?
I Think dosent exit.
When it exits.....I will be the first to buy it !!! ☺️

LG CX OLED is very smooth in 60 hz strobe mode, BUT add too input lag

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by elexor » 23 Nov 2020, 21:49

You can see the pursuit photo i posted in this thread i don't know what you want to compare it to?

this is what 60hz sample and hold looks like without strobing https://blurbusters.com/wp-content/uplo ... 00x100.jpg

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by Angel Soler » 24 Nov 2020, 00:57

Angel Soler wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 08:56
CubanLegend wrote:
22 Nov 2020, 09:13
elexor wrote:
21 Nov 2020, 01:14
Never tested the XL2411

I have used single strobe with a XL2430 and there's just no hiding the crosstalk band with that monitor. pretty much makes it a non starter for me. The problem is it can't support more then a 1350VT.

XL2411 could be different i don't know.
I misspoke, my apologies. I meant to ask "where can i find examples of 60hz SINGLE strobing" like with a comparison pursuit photos?

I'm looking for the amazing 120Hz XG270 level of motion clarity at 60hz as well.. and is there any monitor that offers both those options?
I Think dosent exit.
When it exits.....I will be the first to buy it !!! ☺️

LG CX OLED is very smooth in 60 hz strobe mode, BUT add too input lag
I think that you want to see this:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7732

This photos are my monitor ( Xl 2411p) 60 hz single strobe. As you can see, the crosstalk only is in 1/4 of screen

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Re: Good News Everyone: 60Hz Single Strobe Options

Post by elexor » 24 Nov 2020, 01:34

Angel Soler wrote:
24 Nov 2020, 00:57
Angel Soler wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 08:56
CubanLegend wrote:
22 Nov 2020, 09:13
elexor wrote:
21 Nov 2020, 01:14
Never tested the XL2411

I have used single strobe with a XL2430 and there's just no hiding the crosstalk band with that monitor. pretty much makes it a non starter for me. The problem is it can't support more then a 1350VT.

XL2411 could be different i don't know.
I misspoke, my apologies. I meant to ask "where can i find examples of 60hz SINGLE strobing" like with a comparison pursuit photos?

I'm looking for the amazing 120Hz XG270 level of motion clarity at 60hz as well.. and is there any monitor that offers both those options?
I Think dosent exit.
When it exits.....I will be the first to buy it !!! ☺️

LG CX OLED is very smooth in 60 hz strobe mode, BUT add too input lag
I think that you want to see this:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7732

This photos are my monitor ( Xl 2411p) 60 hz single strobe. As you can see, the crosstalk only is in 1/4 of screen
I really don't think single strobe is worth it unless you can completely hide the crosstalk. in 2d games it will stand out like a sore thumb.

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