I'm going crazy

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BlurWickd
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by BlurWickd » 28 Jan 2024, 09:21

Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:56
BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:32
Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 07:43
BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 07:41


This is my latencymon results after playing a 25min league of legends game, have this chrome tab open in the background and discord. Best way I can describe it is that when its not happening the mouse feels like a normal mouse, all you can feel is the mouse weight and the cursor moves where its supposed to go. When it happens it almost feels like you turn angle snapping on, sometimes it'll move side to side fine but pulling down is a nightmare, diagonal lines sometimes dont work. It feels like as if you're dragging a magnet across a fridge. It's off and on and feels like the mouse physically changes weight/drag. I've tested with different mousepads too, I usually use 1600 dpi and it definitely feels worse on 1600 dpi for whatever reason.

Thank you
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that is w10 ver? what nic you use?
OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19045 (x64)
Win 10 pro - version 10.0.19045 build 19045
Realtek 2.5gbe (8125), I've tried default win driver version, version on my mobo site and latest version
i have the same on amd + nvidia setup, sometimes i get best responce ever, but usually is bad. Im see you have 42isr on wdf, is so high.
do use use cpu usb for mouse only?
try to increase SA voltages. AMD is very responsible for voltages.
What about bios settings? you try to use fixed cpu clocks? Your cpu voltage is stable or variable?
Do you test your ram with memtest5?
i think it about cpu / gpu incompability, try csm mode. Also, test mousetester with GPU driver on/off, if it not same you have a problem (you 100% have)

also, try ReviOS install with 21h2 ltsc (or w11) with ventoy config. You can find manual and .iso links on website.
I've tried it without updating windows, windows 11 etc and its the same honestly.
Yes only cpu for the mouse, I followed your advice from a different post where you replied to someone asking regarding my mobo (asus b650 plus wifi)
I believe the voltages are mostly on auto and everything has been thoroughly tested, this is a prebuilt I bought from scan.co.uk they inserted all their test results etc. I bought this as a temp to use while my old pc was sent for repair that had the same exact issue but was much worse, I even have a video of the old pc in the bios with the mouse going crazy.

I will try csm mode. I just have no idea how it could be pc related with a new pc and if its electric related I don't know where to even start. I don't think it could be windows related because it happens the same in the bios with no windows installed, the mouse feels sorta uncontrollable?
My old pc was i9 10980xe, asus x299-e gaming II and asus strix 3090 oc.

Thank you for the help again I appreciate it

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Slender
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by Slender » 28 Jan 2024, 09:53

BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 09:21
Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:56
BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:32
Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 07:43


that is w10 ver? what nic you use?
OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19045 (x64)
Win 10 pro - version 10.0.19045 build 19045
Realtek 2.5gbe (8125), I've tried default win driver version, version on my mobo site and latest version
i have the same on amd + nvidia setup, sometimes i get best responce ever, but usually is bad. Im see you have 42isr on wdf, is so high.
do use use cpu usb for mouse only?
try to increase SA voltages. AMD is very responsible for voltages.
What about bios settings? you try to use fixed cpu clocks? Your cpu voltage is stable or variable?
Do you test your ram with memtest5?
i think it about cpu / gpu incompability, try csm mode. Also, test mousetester with GPU driver on/off, if it not same you have a problem (you 100% have)

also, try ReviOS install with 21h2 ltsc (or w11) with ventoy config. You can find manual and .iso links on website.
I've tried it without updating windows, windows 11 etc and its the same honestly.
Yes only cpu for the mouse, I followed your advice from a different post where you replied to someone asking regarding my mobo (asus b650 plus wifi)
I believe the voltages are mostly on auto and everything has been thoroughly tested, this is a prebuilt I bought from scan.co.uk they inserted all their test results etc. I bought this as a temp to use while my old pc was sent for repair that had the same exact issue but was much worse, I even have a video of the old pc in the bios with the mouse going crazy.

I will try csm mode. I just have no idea how it could be pc related with a new pc and if its electric related I don't know where to even start. I don't think it could be windows related because it happens the same in the bios with no windows installed, the mouse feels sorta uncontrollable?
My old pc was i9 10980xe, asus x299-e gaming II and asus strix 3090 oc.

Thank you for the help again I appreciate it
your ryzen and am5 is new platform, maybe not good optimized with nvidia gpu. If you want test your electric you need buy line emi meter (from aliexpress or greenwawe amazon), for fix you can try buy online ups with double conversion.
you can ask about this on the neighboring emi forum with which we are at "war" :D
Show your mousetester 1.5.3 graph.
Try disable legacy usb support / xhci hand-off
Compare both disable / single of option disable.
do you install chipset drivers?
Also, show your device manager list, and try to disable HPET and System Timer, they both have 0IRQ and can conflict (first try disable hpet).
Can you try to buy 7600x or 7700x for test and return it?
I dont have am5, maybe you need try find info in google like.. am5 not smooth, stuttering, input lag.

BlurWickd
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by BlurWickd » 01 Feb 2024, 15:14

Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 09:53
BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 09:21
Slender wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:56
BlurWickd wrote:
28 Jan 2024, 08:32

OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2009, build: 19045 (x64)
Win 10 pro - version 10.0.19045 build 19045
Realtek 2.5gbe (8125), I've tried default win driver version, version on my mobo site and latest version
i have the same on amd + nvidia setup, sometimes i get best responce ever, but usually is bad. Im see you have 42isr on wdf, is so high.
do use use cpu usb for mouse only?
try to increase SA voltages. AMD is very responsible for voltages.
What about bios settings? you try to use fixed cpu clocks? Your cpu voltage is stable or variable?
Do you test your ram with memtest5?
i think it about cpu / gpu incompability, try csm mode. Also, test mousetester with GPU driver on/off, if it not same you have a problem (you 100% have)

also, try ReviOS install with 21h2 ltsc (or w11) with ventoy config. You can find manual and .iso links on website.
I've tried it without updating windows, windows 11 etc and its the same honestly.
Yes only cpu for the mouse, I followed your advice from a different post where you replied to someone asking regarding my mobo (asus b650 plus wifi)
I believe the voltages are mostly on auto and everything has been thoroughly tested, this is a prebuilt I bought from scan.co.uk they inserted all their test results etc. I bought this as a temp to use while my old pc was sent for repair that had the same exact issue but was much worse, I even have a video of the old pc in the bios with the mouse going crazy.

I will try csm mode. I just have no idea how it could be pc related with a new pc and if its electric related I don't know where to even start. I don't think it could be windows related because it happens the same in the bios with no windows installed, the mouse feels sorta uncontrollable?
My old pc was i9 10980xe, asus x299-e gaming II and asus strix 3090 oc.

Thank you for the help again I appreciate it
your ryzen and am5 is new platform, maybe not good optimized with nvidia gpu. If you want test your electric you need buy line emi meter (from aliexpress or greenwawe amazon), for fix you can try buy online ups with double conversion.
you can ask about this on the neighboring emi forum with which we are at "war" :D
Show your mousetester 1.5.3 graph.
Try disable legacy usb support / xhci hand-off
Compare both disable / single of option disable.
do you install chipset drivers?
Also, show your device manager list, and try to disable HPET and System Timer, they both have 0IRQ and can conflict (first try disable hpet).
Can you try to buy 7600x or 7700x for test and return it?
I dont have am5, maybe you need try find info in google like.. am5 not smooth, stuttering, input lag.
So update on everything I've previously said, I had a friend who's an electrician call by just to check out the plug sockets etc if they were grounded. Turns out all plug sockets are fine, weird thing we found out however which correct me if I'm wrong shouldn't be the case is that the entire metal pc case isn't grounded? the psu and mobo on the back is grounded but not anywhere else on the case. I thought cases were supposed to be fully grounded as I read people touch their case to ground themselves? I might be wrong though.

Mousetester graph was same both ways with legacy and xhci hand-off, pretty much all over the place between 950-1050. Mouse movement seems pretty eratic and uncontrollable with legacy turned off so I left that on.

I install chipset drivers yes, the motherboard website seems to have more updated chipset drivers compared to AMD themselves but I've tested both and its the same.

I haven't tested with hpet etc off but I'll give it a try after I try another solution I'll mention at the bottom.

I can't buy another processor because this is a prebuilt, if I change anything the warranty is void - I already plan to return this pc to get it checked out as I'm pretty sure the ram is unstable while running EXPO II like they have set. It gets a ton of bluescreens 'IRQL_NOT_EQUAL' (if i remember correctly this is how to spell it) and a bunch of corruption as it was repairing files every time I ran sfc /scannow, I set it to 200mhz lower and everything seems to be fine now.

I don't think this is actually an am5 issue, it seems more like interference because of the physical aspects of how the mouse changes. I have been basically retracing my steps to when this issue first started to rule out anything, we did change things related to the internet but this issue happens even with the router entirely turned off so it can't be that. I changed rooms which seemed to fix it for a good few hours until it came back and got worse and worse the longer the pc was on. It seems to be like this everyday, fine when pc initially turned on and then proceeds to get worse with time.

Another thing is that I got my xl2566k 360hz monitor around that time too, I've tried a variety of different displayport cables including even paying £65 for a fiber displayport cable which broke literally on the second try. I did try to use another monitor but at the time it was connected to the same metal monitor stand as my xl2566k so I had a random theory that the monitor is somehow giving off radiation or giving too much power through the displayport somehow? I removed the monitor entirely and placed it in the other room and tested the pc with a different 60hz monitor and what do you know? the mouse worked perfect, even wireless which was previously unuseable - no electric shocks from the mouse and the mouse weight/feel stayed consistent. I know that this isn't placebo because I've asked family members to try it themselves and they've told me the same thing.

I contacted amazon and explained the situation and they're sending out a replacement tomorrow so hopefully this will all be cleared up with that then I can work on trying to sort out the latency issues which might be caused by the monitor somehow?

What I want to know is, how is this even possible? How can the monitor be causing these issues or effecting wireless devices so much? I couldn't find a single thing about it online other than maybe it might have faulty grounding but to this extent? it was even screwing with wired mice - could it just be providing too much power to the graphics card or something like this? as when I changed things related to gpu like turning on hardware acceleration on things like discord it seemed to fix things shortly / improve them.

I appreciate the help and ideas in regards to the AM5 stuff, hpet etc but this has been the same issue (not as bad as the previous pc) between this new pc and my old one which was intel x299. This issue also didn't start happening till like 5 days of having this new pc, so I'm wondering if the monitor is somehow frying the GPU/mobo/cpu?? I don't recall having any of these issues till getting this new monitor and I only disregarded it being the monitor due to testing the other monitor next to it after I'd used the main monitor all day long then disconnected it to test the other, somehow it might've still been emitting whatever?

I will update if the problem is resolved but honestly I'm mindblown, 2 months of this and so much money wasted on trial and error all for it to be caused by a monitor? I hope it will be this but I'm seriously confused at how. I did see 1 review of the xl2566k saying to 'not buy this monitor if you have emi issues' but I don't think my house suffers with any emi issues, I've never had any issues before and I've lived here for over 20 years - all electrical sockets have been tested for grounding and everything seems fine. A family member also has a pc in the house with no issues, I tried their pc on this monitor and boom same issue. How???

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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by r0ach » 01 Feb 2024, 17:06

BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 15:14
could it just be providing too much power to the graphics card or something like this?
If you have the 20 pin faulty displayport cable issue that causes your GPU to overclock or whatever maybe:

https://ivanky.com/blogs/news/what-is-t ... n-20-issue

BlurWickd
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by BlurWickd » 01 Feb 2024, 18:11

r0ach wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 17:06
BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 15:14
could it just be providing too much power to the graphics card or something like this?
If you have the 20 pin faulty displayport cable issue that causes your GPU to overclock or whatever maybe:

https://ivanky.com/blogs/news/what-is-t ... n-20-issue
I replicated the issue across 5 different displayport cables including 1 that was fiber. Two vesa certified that I know for sure with the highest ratings on amazon as well as the actual cable that came with the monitor. The gpu is an asus 4070 which I believe is made after 2017 which is mentioned on the website, my old gpu was an asus 3090 oc.

It did seem to worsen depending on which cable but I'm not sure how much was placebo, wires touching made huge differences and fully separating everything didn't fix it. It seemed like if the wireless receiver was placed directly under the monitor it'd be a lot worse. Btw am I right in thinking my whole metal pc case should be grounded rather than just the psu/mobo on the back? I found that pretty odd but not sure if it could cause problems like this

widow13
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by widow13 » 01 Feb 2024, 18:15

BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 18:11
r0ach wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 17:06
BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 15:14
could it just be providing too much power to the graphics card or something like this?
If you have the 20 pin faulty displayport cable issue that causes your GPU to overclock or whatever maybe:

https://ivanky.com/blogs/news/what-is-t ... n-20-issue
I replicated the issue across 5 different displayport cables including 1 that was fiber. Two vesa certified that I know for sure with the highest ratings on amazon as well as the actual cable that came with the monitor. The gpu is an asus 4070 which I believe is made after 2017 which is mentioned on the website, my old gpu was an asus 3090 oc.

It did seem to worsen depending on which cable but I'm not sure how much was placebo, wires touching made huge differences and fully separating everything didn't fix it. It seemed like if the wireless receiver was placed directly under the monitor it'd be a lot worse. Btw am I right in thinking my whole metal pc case should be grounded rather than just the psu/mobo on the back? I found that pretty odd but not sure if it could cause problems like this
Same issues here, I had faulty monitor which got fixed but same issues. New display ports and same issues as well.
When PC works it just works no matter what settings I use, I just might have a bit less performance but the game will be playable.
It's most likely something with electricity for me "throttling" the pc performance. Have you tried a power meter to see how your electricity acts ? When the problems exist for me I have low voltage on my plugs.
About the grounding, not sure to be honest.

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r0ach
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by r0ach » 01 Feb 2024, 18:29

I stayed at an expensive hotel in London and the entire wall shook and made a Godzilla noise when I turned on the water, so I would probably advise not using any water or electrical sockets in the UK.

BlurWickd
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by BlurWickd » 02 Feb 2024, 13:16

widow13 wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 18:15
BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 18:11
r0ach wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 17:06
BlurWickd wrote:
01 Feb 2024, 15:14
could it just be providing too much power to the graphics card or something like this?
If you have the 20 pin faulty displayport cable issue that causes your GPU to overclock or whatever maybe:

https://ivanky.com/blogs/news/what-is-t ... n-20-issue
I replicated the issue across 5 different displayport cables including 1 that was fiber. Two vesa certified that I know for sure with the highest ratings on amazon as well as the actual cable that came with the monitor. The gpu is an asus 4070 which I believe is made after 2017 which is mentioned on the website, my old gpu was an asus 3090 oc.

It did seem to worsen depending on which cable but I'm not sure how much was placebo, wires touching made huge differences and fully separating everything didn't fix it. It seemed like if the wireless receiver was placed directly under the monitor it'd be a lot worse. Btw am I right in thinking my whole metal pc case should be grounded rather than just the psu/mobo on the back? I found that pretty odd but not sure if it could cause problems like this
Same issues here, I had faulty monitor which got fixed but same issues. New display ports and same issues as well.
When PC works it just works no matter what settings I use, I just might have a bit less performance but the game will be playable.
It's most likely something with electricity for me "throttling" the pc performance. Have you tried a power meter to see how your electricity acts ? When the problems exist for me I have low voltage on my plugs.
About the grounding, not sure to be honest.
The voltage seemed to be consistent, only once did the plug ever show a drop but it seemed like an anomaly as it didn't happen again. The monitor arrives in an hour so we'll see I suppose lol

BlurWickd
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by BlurWickd » 03 Feb 2024, 11:07

Update:
Issue seems to be resolved, over 24hours now and devices are working as they should including wireless mice. Previously with my other monitor the mouse was somehow giving me shocks / felt like a moving a magnet on a fridge - this is no longer the case. Games also feel very responsive in comparison. I still have genuinely no idea how this is even possible but yeah. Also the fiber optic DP cable that previously wasn't working on the other monitor after second try that I thought was broken - well now it works? lol

widow13
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Re: I'm going crazy

Post by widow13 » 03 Feb 2024, 12:36

BlurWickd wrote:
03 Feb 2024, 11:07
Update:
Issue seems to be resolved, over 24hours now and devices are working as they should including wireless mice. Previously with my other monitor the mouse was somehow giving me shocks / felt like a moving a magnet on a fridge - this is no longer the case. Games also feel very responsive in comparison. I still have genuinely no idea how this is even possible but yeah. Also the fiber optic DP cable that previously wasn't working on the other monitor after second try that I thought was broken - well now it works? lol
That's good to hear. I hope it stays that way so you can enjoy using your pc. I also had electrician over and pc seems a lot more stable now as my voltage doesn't drop as low as it used to.

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