Viewsonic XG272-2K OLED - BlurBusters Verified? BFI?

[GammaLyrae]

It has this monitor on Amazon.com and there are reviews of it but the reviews say that Viewsonic forces you to agree to a NDA which prevents you from testing the BFI and reporting it's results or something like that which may explain why the polish review refused to test the BFI and it may also explain why Chief also refuse to speak about this monitor.

The guy who said this was speaking about how he asked Viewsonic for info about the BFI but they asked that he sign some sort of NDA etc because they don't want this going public due to "sensitive information"

Honestly speaking I wish we could get another vendor to work with besides Viewsonic the XG2431 is limited to very low brightness when strobing and you need to use it in a dark room because Viewsonic refuses to allow for overclocking of the LED voltage at 3X which is what BenQ does and they have 0 problems with this. Viewsonic is concerned about lifespan of the LED etc yet this has never been a issue with Zowie.

Problem is none of these other vendors like Zowie want to implement blur buster utility with 60 HZ single strobe. you keep hearing this talk about nobody plays games at 60 FPS, and yet majority of games out there are still locked to 60 like fighting games, souls like games and so many more.

That's even worse then. If the results were better than what's currently known to be possible, or at least on par, there wouldn't be an nda for it. I think the lower grade badge and this nda say all that needs to be said about it at this point.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

It has this monitor on Amazon.com and there are reviews of it but the reviews say that Viewsonic forces you to agree to a NDA which prevents you from testing the BFI and reporting it's results or something like that which may explain why the polish review refused to test the BFI and it may also explain why Chief also refuse to speak about this monitor.

The guy who said this was speaking about how he asked Viewsonic for info about the BFI but they asked that he sign some sort of NDA etc because they don't want this going public due to "sensitive information"

Well that's absurd. Can you link the reviews?

Ok so he is saying the NDA is with regards to the Brightness for SDR and HDR, so I guess its all tied into the BFI because for starters the US website for this monitor doesn't even state this is a blur buster monitor and another thing if they don't want to give basic info on the SDR nits without NDA then what hope does anybody have for reviewing this thing?

We really need another partner for Blur Busters besides Viewsonic

https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-XG272- ... ref=sr_1_1

JT

3.0 out of 5 stars Viewsonic Needed and NDA signed regarding specs such as Max SDR and HDR Brightness...?!
Reviewed in the United States on May 1, 2024

Not purchased, however, thoroughly researched and I even reached out to Viewsonic about the product. I like the design and remote control feature, as well as the BlurBusters Verified BFI, and it having speakers as well, not many NEWER model monitors have this anymore. However, I am somewhat no longer interested in the product to be honest. Especially being asked to sign an NDA...which was not completely filled in on their part by the way. So, in order to get the information, they stated this "the requested information is of a sensitive nature, and as such an NDA will need to be signed before..." Needless to say, I did not sign.

Additionally, the website Display Specifications shows the info I was requesting...minus the OLED care features, however, this info has also been viewed on other review sites as well to match the info viewed on Display Specifications. This being that the SDR Brightness to be low at 190 Nits, and the "Peak" HDR Brightness of 450 Nits, this only means while in a small size window, it can reach the max Nits...not a full screen window size. Lastly, Viewsonic's warranty does not cover OLED Burn-In...which most of the competitors out there do provide for their OLEDs and for 3 years...or more in some cases! Also, the monitor only has 1 OLED care feature, not openly found in their manual or their release info regarding said OLED care features, which was shared with me by Viewsonic when asked...before their requiring an NDA for the other requested info.

I really felt sorry to have even bothered asking Viewsonic about the information, which should just be made readily available to their consumers, and not hidden behind NDAs, and just shared about their products and to help promote them, rather than hide certain facts. Lastly, on a final separate note, a vendor of this product on Amazon, who shall remain nameless, answer questions on Amazon, with only the supplied information found on the Amazon product listing, without actually reading and answering the specific product question. So, be cautious of answers about questions asked on Amazon by vendors, especially those that deem themselves to be the best IT hubs. Answers should be provided to questions asked with the information needed or required, and not just with information from the listing, which may NOT include the answer as requested.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

So I have to correct something it's not an NDA on BFI but they told him it's an NDA on SDR brightness.

This is what the Polish website reported an SDR of 340 nits and full screen it reaches 291 nits but I am skeptical about this.
So the NDA didn't prevent them from testing the brightness

The brightness in SDR mode reaches a point of 340 cd/m2 - depending on the selected mode (in full screen it reaches up to 291 cd/m2). This is not a great result, but for an OLED panel it is completely full for everyday work. The monitor also supports HDR confirmed by the HDR10 certificate. In fact, the brightness in this mode at full screen reaches 449 cd/m2, so it is consistent with the manufacturer's declarations. This is still not enough to reap real benefits from the HDR effect, but some minor benefits can already be observed. The viewing angles absolutely are perfect. The smear measurement in the "UFO" test you excellent. While moving, objects remained sharp and rightible, making it a pleasure to look at.

[Falkentyne]

So how's the BFI on this at real 60hz?
I'm guessing no one wants to buy the monitor since it's $900. But it is available. And there are SOME people here who are well to do enough to be able to afford this unit.

Surprised no one has even bothered to buy one and test it (after all you CAN return it on amzon as long as you aren't abusing the policy).

[paradox404]

This monitor doesn't have BFI. Acording to this - https://blurbusters.com/new-blur-buster ... d-devices/ - yellow blurbusters logo (which this monitor have) means it doesn't have BFI, simple as that.

[Falkentyne]

This monitor doesn't have BFI. Acording to this - https://blurbusters.com/new-blur-buster ... d-devices/ - yellow blurbusters logo (which this monitor have) means it doesn't have BFI, simple as that.

The monitor's downloadable manual claims it does...

[tong]

Surprised no one has even bothered to buy one and test it (after all you CAN return it on amzon as long as you aren't abusing the policy).

There's nothing much to test, it works just like LG OLEDs, so you can expect better clarity at the expense of decreased brightness and perceivable flickering.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

Not really, Blur Buster 2.2 approval would mean it could do 60 HZ strobing which is quite useful for a lot of people.
We just have no way to know if it actually supports this

And the ASUS monitor with strobing got bad red from unboxed because something regarding the black frame being terrible

Someone just needs to come up with a software that does universal BFI and that would be all there is to it.

With that said I would still want to pass up this monitor in favor of a Glossy OLED like the QD-OLED

Matte coating is total ass it's Vaseline smeared shit on your screen is what it is

[Falkentyne]

Not really, Blur Buster 2.2 approval would mean it could do 60 HZ strobing which is quite useful for a lot of people.
We just have no way to know if it actually supports this

And the ASUS monitor with strobing got bad red from unboxed because something regarding the black frame being terrible

Someone just needs to come up with a software that does universal BFI and that would be all there is to it.

With that said I would still want to pass up this monitor in favor of a Glossy OLED like the QD-OLED

Matte coating is total ass it's Vaseline smeared shit on your screen is what it is

I'd buy it and test it if it didn't cost $900.

[Discorz]

I don't think Blur Busters has anything to do with BFI feature on this model. Blur Busters Verified is certification for ideal sample-and-hold modes (240+ Hz with excellent refresh compliance). But who knows... it sure seems like Chief did some assistance because of the 60 Hz support and advanced "BFI Strength" option.

Not really, Blur Buster 2.2 approval would mean it could do 60 HZ strobing which is quite useful for a lot of people.
We just have no way to know if it actually supports this

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According to user manual Minimum Hz can be adjusted in 1 Hz increments between 48-120 Hz. So 60 Hz should work. Kudos to ViewSonic for that! I suppose it's single-strobe at least at 60 Hz, because of Blur Busters influence from before.

Investigating further:

120 Hz max reveals minimum achievable MPRT is equal to max Hz MPRT (1000/240 = 4.2 ms), which goes in line with current oled limitations. That's kinda fine if u need 60 Hz strobing, but meh for 120 Hz. 1 Hz incrementals also reveal it might supports custom resolutions.

BFI Strength is probably similar to pulse width, but it's not a percentage of refresh cycle like with classic bfi/strobe modes. Maybe something like:
100 = more blur reduction = less brightness = minimum MPRT (maybe fixed 4.2 ms)
50 = less blur reduction = more brightness = maximum MPRT (maybe 6.2 ms @120 Hz, 10.4 ms @60 Hz, 12.5 ms @48 Hz...)

All in all, MPRT is kinda crappy and brightness might be crappy as well. I personally wouldn't be too excited about this generation of bfi on oleds. It feels like strobing for the poor on expensive monitor unfortunately.