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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Z3CrosS » 26 Jul 2024, 09:40

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by TN_fun » 26 Jul 2024, 14:50

Guys, I think your disput are about nothing. If this guy is so sure that the PC is damaged - you can buy any brand of PC (Lenovo, Asus, depending on where he lives) with an operating system installed or a laptop. If there is no problem - he is right.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ManWhoSoldTheWorld » 26 Jul 2024, 23:52

ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
11 Feb 2024, 21:21
UPDATE: See the newer followup post
Original post follows below:
Good day, dear reader. After years upon years lurking around the internet and this forum, I thought it was finally time for me to make an account and voice my opinion, and share my experience. Warning, this is going to be a lot of text! Also, please excuse my English as I am not a native speaker.

TL;DR: There is no fix in here. It's just my experience with desync, bad hitreg and all the "good stuff" that people regularly talk about.
Amazing post and updates @ChristophSmaul1337! Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this :ugeek:

Not really the same setup, but I have the exact same PSU :D Sadly the issue persists here. First occurred when moving out of childhood home where my father (electrical engineer) had done all the wiring and setup at the fuse box. Have since lived in four different apartments. A 360Hz 0.3ms response time monitor turns into a 1st gen 60Hz LCD during peek hours of the day :P

Really enjoyed your friend's feedback and solution. Will look into load balancing between phases in the apartment complex I live in (400v TN).

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by themagic » 29 Jul 2024, 13:20

Ich bin auch aus Deutschland und möchte einfach danke sagen an @ChristophSmaul1337. du hast viel gemacht und ist bestimmt sehr hilfreich für alle die hier nach einer Lösung suchen und schon vieles versucht haben oder schon am verzweifeln sind...solche Leute wie dich braucht es mehr in dieser Thematik. Hab alle deine Posts gelesen. Besonders deine erste Posts wo du all deine Probleme beschreibst über online spiele und wie es sich anfühlt und was alles nicht normal ist...kommt mir vor als ob wir verwandte sind und als ob ich selbst es geschrieben hab. Sehr gute Arbeit. leider ist mein deutsch genau so schlecht wie mein englisch aber ich kann deine texte lesen und verstehe und alles sehr gut :D ...aber ist gut zu wissen das es solche Leute wie dich gib und alles auf sehr gutem verständlichem englisch Erklären können und rüber bringen. sowas hab ich noch nicht in diesem forum gesehen und gelesen.

sry for the german.
just want to thank this guy and his big contribution and all his researches/work he make to all this topic and still continues to make.

very great guy.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by The Malpractice » 02 Aug 2024, 00:01

So it's been a week since got the new PSU - Corsair HX1200. Had the Antec Signature 1300 Platinum earlier. HX1200 has lower ripple and emi suppression so I guessed it might make a difference, but it didn't.
Things are the same as before. It became apparent just after the first match I played that nothing had changed but I waited for several days to post this.
Out of options now really lol. Will keep using the HX1200 since it's better than my Antec on paper.

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Post by 1vawkaaa » 25 Aug 2024, 19:38

donktuman wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 07:51
Has anyone actually followed the exact steps this guy suggested?
An experiment was conducted with testing the original copy of Windows on various equipment. A sealed copy of Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX was purchased for $200 from a store and new hardware for assembling a PC, new devices for this PC were also purchased, but the desync problem remained. After that, new hardware was purchased several more times to test the theory with the Intel ME subsystem, but the problem remained. A factory mini PC ASUS ROG was purchased, but it had the same desync problem. Also ordered and tested was a factory PC LENOVO from the USA with the factory-installed Windows 11 operating system and with another purchase of new devices with a monitor, but the problem remained. In general many different new computer hardware were tested with the original Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX for $200 and with the factory installed Windows operating system, but it was not possible to achieve ideal PC operation without desync. We also tested computers on the AMD platform, they have their own subsystem, but the problem with desync was there too. This problem sometimes seems incredible, but it really exists. I contacted a person from the team of famous reverse engineers who in 2017 were able to hack Intel Management and execute their code inside it, I asked this person, "Does the Intel Management Engine subsystem check the originality of the Windows copy key and does anything with it?", to which I received the answer "No, it does not check, we did not find anything like that during the study".
I also want to thank the author of this thread @ChristophSmaul1337 for sharing his story of how he solved the desync problem. It's cool that someone manages to solve this problem without moving.
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Post by Z3CrosS » 28 Aug 2024, 02:15

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by AudAmerica » 28 Aug 2024, 03:09

Z3CrosS wrote:
28 Aug 2024, 02:15
Why you posted it in that way, i mean why you not mentioned:

1. A sealed copy of Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX was purchased for $200 from a store and new hardware for assembling a PC - You not mentioned that this flash drive was not recognized on brand new 14900k + Asrock Z790 Taichi Carrara in bios full UEFI mode, but recognized only on bios CSM mode and after you tried to install Windows from this flash drive was blue screen in first seconds of installation (with DMA violation error code). Same flash drive was not recognized by high end AMD system, but low-middle end system saw this flash drive in UEFI mode. So this original Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX - very questionable, for Rus region there is no genuine Win11. And even if you ask Microsoft support team about genuine your Win key or not, even if you bought it for 5$, they would say yes, because it is, but main question where did you get that, on one Retail key could be sitting 10 people, they could be stolen, counterfeit, used on multiple machines or destined for another hardware.

2. A factory mini PC ASUS ROG was purchased, but it had the same desync problem - You not mentioned that this prebild PC on a very first boot gave black screen with running coolers, it was 5 times in a raw. Only after PSU switch shut down and after turn it on image on monitor appeared and you tested PC in games. But after another shutdown and turn on - same black screen appeared with running coolers. - This surely isn't normal

3. Also ordered and tested was a factory PC LENOVO from the USA with the factory-installed Windows 11 operating system - I don't know what happend with Lenovo Legion PC and from what vendor you bought it, but i know men who bought branded prebuilds PCs and they saw traces of KMS activation on brand new PCs. Some "new" systems from various "new" components, after first Windows installation from media creation tools(non activated ISO without put key) was activated by themselves with generic key.

4. I contacted a person from the team of famous reverse engineers who in 2017 were able to hack Intel Management and execute their code inside it - they actually don't hack intel cpus, they found hole and execute some instruction. If they trully would hack intel platfrom the world would be changed. But in the same time because of people who want to hack PC platforms you get frequent security updates and we got what we got - very sensetive subsystem, no room for even one mistake(i mean you have only one attempt - one mistake). For CPU manufacturers first priorities are(CPU/PCH): Security Stability & Raw perfomance, they care less about in what resulotion you would start to save Ashley in 4k or 720p, i mean they care sure, but subsystem is sensitive, so if you do all things right from the start you will succed, or just forget about it and live like a normal man.

Wrong lod - stretched overlay resides on top/bottom of the screen which make picture blurry/slightly stretched objects it adds judders because of this conflicts you don't feel FPS(60 fps feels better than 300) & mouse coursor or panocamera feels choppy and overall latencies issues. Hardware-software problem(CPU/PCH/OS), stuck subsystem.

Overall if you make posts with examples, you have to put in all crucial information for not to mislead people. ATM your described experience just feels one-sided.


In Bad Lod topic, Slender found some additional information:
"Imagine running a game such as GTA V. The first time you run it the settings are usually set on lowest meaning no AF or AA, low shadow resolution and distance. So the NvAPI takes these settings and unloads them into the L2 Cache of GPU so that the Stream-multiprocessors can read them and when ever you exit the game NvAPI should force the GPU to flush the settings by writing Global Settings into the cache area. For some reason it's stuck. It can happen when you change a setting by dramatically tuning it up and the variant is not fast enough to rewrite. Now the settings cannot be verified by any variant in order to be flushed. The only way to fix this is to find the way to flush the cache and unload a clean NvAPI into the cache. Now this also answers why this happens again when you insert new parts into the PC and that is because the drivers always keep the same buggy variant in their backup files and loads it into memory if its missing. It also works the other way, if you reinstall the drivers, it automatically reads the variants setting from the cache and make a copy of the variant. In order to fix it we have to unlock the resources and unload a variant . However we have no idea how to do that atm."
Why does the same thing happen on phones and consoles? Is there a BIOS there? Or do you already think your point of view is wrong, but you continue to defend yourself?

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Post by dervu » 28 Aug 2024, 10:41

He just avoids answer to why things suddenly work when moving PC to another place. :lol:
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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by TN_fun » 30 Aug 2024, 09:16

Z3CrosS wrote:
28 Aug 2024, 02:15
Why you posted it in that way, i mean why you not mentioned:

1. A sealed copy of Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX was purchased for $200 from a store and new hardware for assembling a PC - You not mentioned that this flash drive was not recognized on brand new 14900k + Asrock Z790 Taichi Carrara in bios full UEFI mode, but recognized only on bios CSM mode and after you tried to install Windows from this flash drive was blue screen in first seconds of installation (with DMA violation error code). Same flash drive was not recognized by high end AMD system, but low-middle end system saw this flash drive in UEFI mode. So this original Windows 11 Pro Retail USB BOX - very questionable, for Rus region there is no genuine Win11. And even if you ask Microsoft support team about genuine your Win key or not, even if you bought it for 5$, they would say yes, because it is, but main question where did you get that, on one Retail key could be sitting 10 people, they could be stolen, counterfeit, used on multiple machines or destined for another hardware.

2. A factory mini PC ASUS ROG was purchased, but it had the same desync problem - You not mentioned that this prebild PC on a very first boot gave black screen with running coolers, it was 5 times in a raw. Only after PSU switch shut down and after turn it on image on monitor appeared and you tested PC in games. But after another shutdown and turn on - same black screen appeared with running coolers. - This surely isn't normal

3. Also ordered and tested was a factory PC LENOVO from the USA with the factory-installed Windows 11 operating system - I don't know what happend with Lenovo Legion PC and from what vendor you bought it, but i know men who bought branded prebuilds PCs and they saw traces of KMS activation on brand new PCs. Some "new" systems from various "new" components, after first Windows installation from media creation tool(non activated ISO without put key) was activated by themselves with generic key.

4. I contacted a person from the team of famous reverse engineers who in 2017 were able to hack Intel Management and execute their code inside it - they actually don't hack Intel cpus, they found hole and execute some instruction. If they trully would hack Intel platfrom the world would be changed. But in the same time because of people who want to hack PC platforms you get frequent security updates and we got what we got - very sensetive subsystem, no room for even one mistake(i mean you have only one attempt - one mistake). Reverse engineering is forbidded. For CPU manufacturers first priorities are(CPU/PCH): Security Stability & Raw perfomance, they care less about in what resolution you would start to save Ashley in 4k or 720p, i mean they care sure, but subsystem is sensitive, so if you do all things right from the start you will succed, or just forget about it and live like a normal man.

Wrong lod - stretched-stoped "overlay"(which must operate dynamicly - be fully synced with everything what happens on a screen - pcie lane & dmi) resides on top/bottom of the screen which make picture blurry/slightly stretched objects it adds judders because of this conflicts you don't feel FPS(60 fps feels better than 300) & mouse coursor or panocamera feels choppy and overall latencies issues. Hardware-software problem(CPU/PCH/OS), stuck subsystem which sees all i/o devices as any.

Overall if you make posts with examples, you have to put in all crucial information for not to mislead people. ATM your described experience just feels one-sided.


In Bad Lod topic, Slender found some additional information:
"Imagine running a game such as GTA V. The first time you run it the settings are usually set on lowest meaning no AF or AA, low shadow resolution and distance. So the NvAPI takes these settings and unloads them into the L2 Cache of GPU so that the Stream-multiprocessors can read them and when ever you exit the game NvAPI should force the GPU to flush the settings by writing Global Settings into the cache area. For some reason it's stuck. It can happen when you change a setting by dramatically tuning it up and the variant is not fast enough to rewrite. Now the settings cannot be verified by any variant in order to be flushed. The only way to fix this is to find the way to flush the cache and unload a clean NvAPI into the cache. Now this also answers why this happens again when you insert new parts into the PC and that is because the drivers always keep the same buggy variant in their backup files and loads it into memory if its missing. It also works the other way, if you reinstall the drivers, it automatically reads the variants setting from the cache and make a copy of the variant. In order to fix it we have to unlock the resources and unload a variant . However we have no idea how to do that atm."
hey man. How about buying a ps5 and an oled tv or monitor? It shouldn't have these problems, according to your theory. Why don't you do it. This may prove or disprove your theory.

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