Another (old) instance of my particular issue

[Vocaleyes]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... _lagweird/

Once again, this is the exact same issue I’ve been having. I am really starting to lean in to this being a faulty chipset handled mouse issue at this point. I think the next step is trying a mobo with cpu handled usb ports at an attempt to diagnose.

[Slender]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... _lagweird/

Once again, this is the exact same issue I’ve been having. I am really starting to lean in to this being a faulty chipset handled mouse issue at this point. I think the next step is trying a mobo with cpu handled usb ports at an attempt to diagnose.

same experience

[themagic]

@Vocaleyes

Okay i believe right now you are might be into something...
I read that Reddit Topic yesterday and find this all rly interesting and especially this Part:

@Staticks
"It could be the motherboard's USB ports. I have two PCs, one with an FX 8350 + Asrock Extreme4 970 AM3+ motherboard, and one with a Ryzen 1700 + Asrock Fatal1ty B350 ITX AM4 board. The old AM3+ computer has no input lag, while the Ryzen AM4 computer has an inconsistent, floaty mouse feeling.

It might be worth noting that the AM3+ computer is running Windows 7, while the AM4 is running Windows 10. I'm not sure which one is running UEFI or CSM with legacy mode, so I'll have to check that.

More testing is needed"


I have still my old cheap AMD AM3+ setup which is Asrock 970m Pro and with RX580 and DDR3 4x 8GB/1600mhz ram speed. And even if i only get in Valorant barely unstable 150fps with that Setup but it still feels different/better and not like full pure Desync and constant bad Hitreg like it happens on my Intel Setups where i get stable 350fps. And that the Crazy thing.

I think right now about to ugrade this Setup and change FX6300 for and FX8300 and Buy better Ram speed. Dont Rly believe that this gonna change something but maybe worth a try and just to check what happens.

But with this old AMD setup i dont had any problems in the past and it worked like a good clock with good timings in Black Squad. That the Game which I enjoy for almost 3K hours in Steam with that old Setup until the day the bad things Start to happen here.

After I build Intel Setups in the Hope that this gonna be a FIX or some Change...but it was even like worse with desync/hitreg moments. And that just the Mindfuck which i still have to this day...


The thing with USB ports and Cpu and Chipset sound rly interesting to me but what just wrong and happens with our Intel Setups ? I don't get this...

[Vocaleyes]

@Vocaleyes

Okay i believe right now you are might be into something...
I read that Reddit Topic yesterday and find this all rly interesting and especially this Part:

@Staticks
"It could be the motherboard's USB ports. I have two PCs, one with an FX 8350 + Asrock Extreme4 970 AM3+ motherboard, and one with a Ryzen 1700 + Asrock Fatal1ty B350 ITX AM4 board. The old AM3+ computer has no input lag, while the Ryzen AM4 computer has an inconsistent, floaty mouse feeling.

It might be worth noting that the AM3+ computer is running Windows 7, while the AM4 is running Windows 10. I'm not sure which one is running UEFI or CSM with legacy mode, so I'll have to check that.

More testing is needed"


I have still my old cheap AMD AM3+ setup which is Asrock 970m Pro and with RX580 and DDR3 4x 8GB/1600mhz ram speed. And even if i only get in Valorant barely unstable 150fps with that Setup but it still feels different/better and not like full pure Desync and constant bad Hitreg like it happens on my Intel Setups where i get stable 350fps. And that the Crazy thing.

I think right now about to ugrade this Setup and change FX6300 for and FX8300 and Buy better Ram speed. Dont Rly believe that this gonna change something but maybe worth a try and just to check what happens.

But with this old AMD setup i dont had any problems in the past and it worked like a good clock with good timings in Black Squad. That the Game which I enjoy for almost 3K hours in Steam with that old Setup until the day the bad things Start to happen here.

After I build Intel Setups in the Hope that this gonna be a FIX or some Change...but it was even worse. And that just the Mindfuck which i still have to this day...


The thing with USB ports and Cpu and Chipset sound rly interesting to me but what just wrong and happens with our Intel Setups ? I don't get this...

So in the past it seems Intel did have cpu handled usb ports, but I’m going to assume to save costs on manufacturing they opted out of that, which has negatively impacted the handling of peripherals. It may be for other reasons, but I cannot seem to find modern intels with cpu usb ports any longer.

[themagic]

@Vocaleyes

Okay i believe right now you are might be into something...
I read that Reddit Topic yesterday and find this all rly interesting and especially this Part:

@Staticks
"It could be the motherboard's USB ports. I have two PCs, one with an FX 8350 + Asrock Extreme4 970 AM3+ motherboard, and one with a Ryzen 1700 + Asrock Fatal1ty B350 ITX AM4 board. The old AM3+ computer has no input lag, while the Ryzen AM4 computer has an inconsistent, floaty mouse feeling.

It might be worth noting that the AM3+ computer is running Windows 7, while the AM4 is running Windows 10. I'm not sure which one is running UEFI or CSM with legacy mode, so I'll have to check that.

More testing is needed"


I have still my old cheap AMD AM3+ setup which is Asrock 970m Pro and with RX580 and DDR3 4x 8GB/1600mhz ram speed. And even if i only get in Valorant barely unstable 150fps with that Setup but it still feels different/better and not like full pure Desync and constant bad Hitreg like it happens on my Intel Setups where i get stable 350fps. And that the Crazy thing.

I think right now about to ugrade this Setup and change FX6300 for and FX8300 and Buy better Ram speed. Dont Rly believe that this gonna change something but maybe worth a try and just to check what happens.

But with this old AMD setup i dont had any problems in the past and it worked like a good clock with good timings in Black Squad. That the Game which I enjoy for almost 3K hours in Steam with that old Setup until the day the bad things Start to happen here.

After I build Intel Setups in the Hope that this gonna be a FIX or some Change...but it was even worse. And that just the Mindfuck which i still have to this day...


The thing with USB ports and Cpu and Chipset sound rly interesting to me but what just wrong and happens with our Intel Setups ? I don't get this...

So in the past it seems Intel did have cpu handled usb ports, but I’m going to assume to save costs on manufacturing they opted out of that, which has negatively impacted the handling of peripherals. It may be for other reasons, but I cannot seem to find modern intels with cpu usb ports any longer.

And more interesting thing why /useplatformclock enabled on our Intel Systems causes such huge responsiveness drop for us ? Like i read too somewhere on forums about that and know that not everyone experience this with Intel Builds and its not that bad even if they use that platformclock thing and its still playable for them but just with some less FPS.

But for us both the System is full lagging und struggling already at Startup and on Desktop if we enable that thing and Ingame its pure Slideshow...

maybe there is some big Connection...hope soon we figure out why.

[Vocaleyes]

@Vocaleyes

Okay i believe right now you are might be into something...
I read that Reddit Topic yesterday and find this all rly interesting and especially this Part:

@Staticks
"It could be the motherboard's USB ports. I have two PCs, one with an FX 8350 + Asrock Extreme4 970 AM3+ motherboard, and one with a Ryzen 1700 + Asrock Fatal1ty B350 ITX AM4 board. The old AM3+ computer has no input lag, while the Ryzen AM4 computer has an inconsistent, floaty mouse feeling.

It might be worth noting that the AM3+ computer is running Windows 7, while the AM4 is running Windows 10. I'm not sure which one is running UEFI or CSM with legacy mode, so I'll have to check that.

More testing is needed"


I have still my old cheap AMD AM3+ setup which is Asrock 970m Pro and with RX580 and DDR3 4x 8GB/1600mhz ram speed. And even if i only get in Valorant barely unstable 150fps with that Setup but it still feels different/better and not like full pure Desync and constant bad Hitreg like it happens on my Intel Setups where i get stable 350fps. And that the Crazy thing.

I think right now about to ugrade this Setup and change FX6300 for and FX8300 and Buy better Ram speed. Dont Rly believe that this gonna change something but maybe worth a try and just to check what happens.

But with this old AMD setup i dont had any problems in the past and it worked like a good clock with good timings in Black Squad. That the Game which I enjoy for almost 3K hours in Steam with that old Setup until the day the bad things Start to happen here.

After I build Intel Setups in the Hope that this gonna be a FIX or some Change...but it was even worse. And that just the Mindfuck which i still have to this day...


The thing with USB ports and Cpu and Chipset sound rly interesting to me but what just wrong and happens with our Intel Setups ? I don't get this...

So in the past it seems Intel did have cpu handled usb ports, but I’m going to assume to save costs on manufacturing they opted out of that, which has negatively impacted the handling of peripherals. It may be for other reasons, but I cannot seem to find modern intels with cpu usb ports any longer.

And more interesting thing why /useplatformclock enabled on our Intel Systems causes such huge responsiveness drop for us ? Like i read too somewhere on forums about that and know that not everyone experience this with Intel Builds and its not that bad even if they use that platformclock thing and its still playable for them but just with some less FPS.

But for us both the System is full lagging und struggling already at Startup and on Desktop if we enable that thing and Ingame its pure Slideshow...

maybe there is some big Connection...hope soon we figure out why.

It’s possible there’s a connection, but that still remains to be proved. But at least there is some solid proof from that Reddit post that this is hardware related, due to the user describing his 2 separate systems compared performance.

[Vocaleyes]

https://youtu.be/8zBkmrYpEx8?feature=shared

This could confirm the theory of chipset handled usb ports adding latency and causing the floaty mouse feeling once and for all.

Also correct me if I’m mistaken, but wouldn’t this explain the latency of the cursor in the bios too?

[Vocaleyes]

For anyone that's interested, for the time being I have 3 theories.

1. is the one stated in the above comment, I.e. cpu vs chipset handled USB ports.

2. Is that I believe that when you have a system that is able to have usesystemclock as "enabled" without the aggressive lag, you will then have a rig free of the mouse inaccuracy issue. As you can see, in this old hefty and useful tweak guide https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =476760198 it is advised that this setting be turned on, showing that the user posting these tweaks did not see the extreme system latency after enabling it some of use do. You can check by pressing "ctrl + F" on that page and searching for "bcdedit", then navigate to the windows timers bcd's and have see for yourself, which means that this setting being inconsistent across various rigs has a high potential to be the reason behind the seemingly random instances of latency across the pc user base.

3. I can't rule out faulty utilisation of chipset due to the nature of the mouse cursor being affected in the bios which, when my mouse worked (on multiple pcs and laptops back in the day) was NOT the case. My mouse would work as flawlessly in the BIOS as it did in the OS. Also, when I had my old rig I remember that installing the chipset wasn't as easy as double click, install, as it should have been. Instead I had to ask a friend with more tech knowledge to assist me, which then led to seeking out a chipset driver and brute installing it (unfortunately I don't recall how or what was done) after this alternative method of installation was complete, there was a SIGNIFICANT positive effect, so I'm just wondering if it's possible that it's caused by a faulty chipset installation due to the tricky and inconsistent nature of the modern device manager, as some drivers need certain "tricks" to get them installed even now. For example the audio driver in my instance wouldn't update to the latest version the usual ways (search automatically for updates, or browse, manual select and install) upon reboot would default to the same outdated driver UNLESS I went into the bios, disabled HD Audio and then installed and re-enabled. So could also be a fundamental issue affecting the installation of chipset.


So given that information, it is a case now of someone smart enough and motivated enough to helping prove or disprove these 3 claims.
I understand there are also other multiple cases for latency such as network, drivers, and even on the extremely rare occasions electricity etc.. but these 3 points ARE SPECIFICALLY for my issue.. which as a reminder is a mouse cursor that feels and presents as inaccurate due to the accumulation of mouse co-ordinates, leading to cursor drift WHEN IN MOTION, NOT STATIONARY and over time, especially noticeable when making circles making the development of "muscle memory" impossible due to the inconsistency of the cursor movement, which also feels ever so slightly delayed as a by-product.

Furthermore, the clarity and fluidity of graphics in any videogame/ video playback is significantly worse than observed back in 2013, including gameplay and also VERY noticeable in cutscenes, which at this point I am inclined to believe are a part of the same issue due to neither of these issues occurring when everything worked correctly.


If someone could take the time to advise or take this even remotely seriously, would be absolutely amazing. Thank you.

[RamenRider]

Try changing up your BCDEDIT HPET settings. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8643&hilit=hpet&start=70

[ahead]

You can use an old PS2 mouse; fundamentally, nothing changes. But you’ve found the answer and confirmation for yourself—the problem isn’t with the USB.