My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 23 Apr 2025, 19:55

Vocaleyes wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 00:41
When you say you noticed the mouse cursor being smoother on the desktop after installing the 1200w PSU, could you perhaps go into more detail comparing the feeling of this smoothness please? Like is it more visible smoothness or feeling etc. thank you.
Smoother as in "less stuttery". I could always see the cursor get "stuck" for just a millisecond, probably only 1 frame on the 360Hz panel. It's extremely subtle. I've always noticed this but thought it was just like that. I had a few friends, who're also pretty good at games, come to my house and play on my setup over the last years, and while all of them noticed that something was off when they played here, nobody noticed the "stuttery" mouse cursor on the desktop. I was assuming because they had it too, but I think they just simply didn't notice it. Again, it's extremely subtle but I'm also extremely sensitive to this kind of stuff. It's all gone now. It "feels" the exact same though, and unlike other people have experienced it's not speeding up or slowing down at all.
Hyote wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 13:00
I have builds of almost version of Windows and just by the install screen you can tell everything newer than 7 is going to be gargbage. Almost as if input lag is implemented into the core of the OS.
Are you really sure this would make sense? Think about it from a wider angle: Let's do some really rough math that's likely orders of magnitude off, but nevertheless, let's at least try. Let's set an arbitrary cutoff from "professional" Counter-Strike at the top 100 mark. This would incorporate tier 1 and tier 2 players. Let's consider every player that's in a team inside the top 100 of the world as a professional player that plays the game for money (as a profession). That would equate 500 professional players in tier 1 and tier 2 of Counter-Strike alone. Let's look at just a few FPS games which are played for prize money as I write this post: CS2, Rainbow 6, Apex Legends, CoD, Overwatch, PUBG, Valorant, Fortnite, Halo. These are only 9, there are probably more. Another game to consider is Rocket League, not a FPS but it is also heavily affected by input lag ("heavy car bug"). These are 10 games I've gotten off the top of my head. Let's say the cutoff for all these games is also similar to Counter-Strike, giving each team about 500 professional players which play for money. That would give you about 5000 professional players who play competitive video games right now, as we speak, while getting paid to do so, for at least 8 hours a day, often more, and also on stages for prize money. You don't believe them either?

Here's the thing: I'm extremely sensitive to any kind of lag. If I say I am, that's because I am and I've experienced this a lot in my life. If you however still don't want to take my word for it, think again. There's always a bigger fish in the pond. Out of all these 5000 professional players, mind you again that they're getting paid to play video games 8 hours a day, don't you think there would be at least one, just ONE singular professional player who would be even more sensitive to input lag than I am? If even just one player with this kind of perception would exist, he would notice that he can't play games on any Windows install apart from Windows 7, no? However, I've never seen a professional player request to play on a Windows 7 install in CS, Rocket League, PUBG or Valorant (The games I follow regularly).

You'd think that a professional player playing video games for 8 hours a day would notice when his game feels off. However you never see players complaining about "input lag on Windows 10" or something. Because it simply doesn't happen and Windows 10 doesn't come with "integrated" input lag.

Some of these professional players play the game on stages or on LAN events on other computers than their own. Wouldn't it be pretty noticeable for a trained professional when they leave their own setup at home to play on a tournament computer and the mouse felt completely different due to different input lag, either more or less? If these professional players actually did change something on their own setup that would "fix" the software side of the lag, and then they would travel to LAN, how would they cope with the difference in input lag? What about players who perform better on LAN than online?

One thing I can tell you for absolute certain is that tournament organizers do not optimize anything within the Windows registry or anything else like that. They either rent or lease prebuilt computers from either SI's or OEM's and use them as-is. If a TO does a lot, they boot every computer into BIOS and enable XMP. That's it. They mostly use PXE servers to install the OS'es, which is either Windows 10 or Windows 11. No tweaks whatsoever. It's also not like players can just enter the Windows registry and start changing settings to their heart's content. Everything on these computers is locked down, controlled and monitored, and if any player wanted to access the registry, it would trigger alarms at the admin panel really fast. All players are allowed to do is change settings in the Nvidia control panel and some of the settings in the Windows built-in settings app.

Then there's of course tens of thousands, if not millions of players out there who play on bog-standard Windows installations without ever modifying anything at all, and they don't have problems whatsoever. There's a reason so little people know about this issue in the first place and why this forum isn't overflowing with thousands of posts and threads created daily. Your statement just doesn't make sense if you think it through.

Sure, there might be problems with Windows if you've fiddled with the settings too much and changed something that maybe should not have been changed, but a regular, unchanged install won't be responsible for problems, period. If this was true, every player in the world who's gaming on Windows would have these problems. It's not making an exception just for you or something.
Hyote wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 13:00
So if anyone claims to get perfect mouse feel by doing tweaks or making physical changes can't be 100% honest.
Careful with what you insinuate.
Vocaleyes wrote:
23 Apr 2025, 18:13
You assuming that everyone's issue is identical to yours therefore "they must be lying", is extremely narrow sighted and unhelpful.
Exactly. In my opinion it's clear that there are multiple problems which somehow manifest themselves in the same manner for everybody. The effects are input lag, desync, bad hitreg, overall bad, slow feel to a computer. Whatever might trigger these symptoms we're yet to understand, but it's clear as day that one person's workaround does nothing for a different person, implying that there are different causes. Blanket claiming that Windows is to blame isn't productive and doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Hyote » 24 Apr 2025, 09:17

Everyone has the freedom to think whatever they want but you're just as right about Windows 10 and 11 not being laggy from the ground up as you think of "professionals" as real gamers. It took one message to open the eyes of another user here about "pros". They always use their own peripherals and some of them want to look unique by using a sandpapered mousepad or a pad torn to pieces or a mouse grip that looks like they have their hands bent outward. This just makes me further believe they could use a ball mouse if they have their skill loaded elsewhere. I'm not going to call everyone a cheater and obviously there are many games that don't rely entirely on aiming or reflexes but coming up with this example was not good. I only listen to the experience of regular people, not someone who sells themselves. And honestly despite his conspiration theorist approach, r0ach was always right about things and I'm sure he would agree with me on this matter. I don't mean you can't have okay mouse input without using Windows 7 but I think people really forgot what really good mouse feel and performance used to be like. There is either too much delay or a lack of sync on every other OS and I think people who don't have delay issues are in blissful ignorance.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Slender » 24 Apr 2025, 09:26

I understand Hyote very well. I've spent a ton of hours studying windows/bios settings myself, and they really affect the mouse movement and image experience.
The problem is that all these settings will work fully on a PC that initially works well, without any configuration. hyote is an enthusiast, and he found so many different things, it's interesting, but I'm convinced, after 10 years of going through all sorts of settings, that they're not the problem.
But there is nothing wrong to get a timer delay of 0-1us instead of 12000us, for example.
win7 really best windows ever, and im get little close experience with 1803 only.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Vocaleyes » 24 Apr 2025, 23:00

Anyway, getting back on to this posts topic.
I'm tempted to give the higher watt PSU a try, simply through exhausting other avenues and desperation. I understand the disclaimers & the high possibility this will not resolve mine or everyone else's issue due to common sense dictating that similar symptoms do not necessarily mean same source of interference, still, due to what I consider a low risk high reward attempt, for me it is worth a try.

Also thank you for articulately presenting your findings with rational and logical responses. It's something this forum could do with more of.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 26 Apr 2025, 09:44

Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
they have their skill loaded elsewhere
So what you're saying is that you can't believe pros because some/most/a few of them you think are cheating, is that what you're trying to say here? If so, you're straight up delusional and have absolutely no idea whatsoever about how anything of the pro scene, at least in Counter-Strike, works. None of the pros, as long as they're not banned, are using cheats, none of them load any skill elsewhere or whatever you are saying. Sure, there might be the occasional throwing and match fixing in tier 2, there is evidence for that and people have been banned for doing it. However, when it comes to using cheats or other things they could "load", no they don't, there's no evidence to support this claim whatsoever and, as a former contestant in the highest echelons of Faceit having played against multiple tier 1 and tier 2 professionals regularly, I can personally attest you that these pros are absolutely not cheating and everything you see in their games is 100% perfectly possible with enough practice and experience.

There are players who are banned for cheating either by VAC or ESIC, which shows the system works. Just recently "joel" was banned for cheating by ESIC and they found hard proof of it. The system of detecting and banning cheaters works very well in professional CS, and cases like this show it. Sure, matchmaking is hell on earth and every game has cheaters because VAC is terrible, but we're not talking about matchmaking. Contrary to matchmaking, you don't just roll into a LAN event and install cheats on some tournament organizer's computer and then cheat your way to a major win or a grand slam. Not happening, didn't happen and if it did, players were detected and banned, see KQLY, smn, sf, emilio, forsaken, joel. Just to name a few.

Unless you meant something completely different, then excuse me for misunderstanding, but if you're insinuating that pros aren't to be trusted because you think they cheat, I ask you either to show me hard evidence that this is the case, which I'm sure many people, especially journalists like Richard Lewis, would be very interested in seeing, or to STFU and get out of my thread ASAP. Accusations like this are to be taken extremely seriously. I've been on the wrong side of this before and it's something you don't wish upon your worst enemies. Not cool, and not happening in my thread. Spread that conspiracy BS somewhere else, but not here. Innocent until proven guilty.
Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
I'm not going to call everyone a cheater and obviously there are many games that don't rely entirely on aiming or reflexes but coming up with this example was not good.
Elaborate. Why was the "example" not good? What's wrong with the logic? Who else would you turn to if you were looking for people with tens of thousands of hours of experience in video games? Don't point fingers and then don't correct it. Who's the "regular people" you're talking about? The 50 hour playtime Silver 3 player who's overwhelmed with running forwards without getting stuck on walls and with the crosshair placed in the ground? Why would such a player be more trustworthy in being able the make out differences in mouse feel compared to a pro who's been playing CS for the majority of his life? Go into more detail.
Vocaleyes wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 23:00
I'm tempted to give the higher watt PSU a try, simply through exhausting other avenues and desperation.
Just to remind you again that I don't think the actual PSU wattage or even the PSU itself is the reaon if felt better when I got it. IMO it's because the connectors are still new and make excellent contact, allowing more current to take the intended path back through the ground wires on the PCIe 8-pins instead of going through the motherboard & the CPU EPS or the 24-pin plug. I think that with more plugging and un-plugging of the 8-pin the contacts might get slightly worse, the resistance increases, and so the current across the motherboard & other paths increase because their resistance is now lower than on the intended wire. This leads to interference, which can mess up signals.

Good luck with trying tough.
Vocaleyes wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 23:00
Also thank you for articulately presenting your findings with rational and logical responses.
Thanks, appreciated! I'm doing my best, I really want to get to the bottom of this and it's baffling to me that, with all the internet's collective wisdom, nobody could figure out the root cause yet. I don't think I'll be the one finding it, but maybe my posts can contribute to someone else's effort. I just hope it helps!

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Hyote » 26 Apr 2025, 18:00

ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 09:44
Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
they have their skill loaded elsewhere
So what you're saying is that you can't believe pros because some/most/a few of them you think are cheating, is that what you're trying to say here? If so, you're straight up delusional and have absolutely no idea whatsoever about how anything of the pro scene, at least in Counter-Strike, works. None of the pros, as long as they're not banned, are using cheats, none of them load any skill elsewhere or whatever you are saying. Sure, there might be the occasional throwing and match fixing in tier 2, there is evidence for that and people have been banned for doing it. However, when it comes to using cheats or other things they could "load", no they don't, there's no evidence to support this claim whatsoever and, as a former contestant in the highest echelons of Faceit having played against multiple tier 1 and tier 2 professionals regularly, I can personally attest you that these pros are absolutely not cheating and everything you see in their games is 100% perfectly possible with enough practice and experience.

There are players who are banned for cheating either by VAC or ESIC, which shows the system works. Just recently "joel" was banned for cheating by ESIC and they found hard proof of it. The system of detecting and banning cheaters works very well in professional CS, and cases like this show it. Sure, matchmaking is hell on earth and every game has cheaters because VAC is terrible, but we're not talking about matchmaking. Contrary to matchmaking, you don't just roll into a LAN event and install cheats on some tournament organizer's computer and then cheat your way to a major win or a grand slam. Not happening, didn't happen and if it did, players were detected and banned, see KQLY, smn, sf, emilio, forsaken, joel. Just to name a few.

Unless you meant something completely different, then excuse me for misunderstanding, but if you're insinuating that pros aren't to be trusted because you think they cheat, I ask you either to show me hard evidence that this is the case, which I'm sure many people, especially journalists like Richard Lewis, would be very interested in seeing, or to STFU and get out of my thread ASAP. Accusations like this are to be taken extremely seriously. I've been on the wrong side of this before and it's something you don't wish upon your worst enemies. Not cool, and not happening in my thread. Spread that conspiracy BS somewhere else, but not here. Innocent until proven guilty.
Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
I'm not going to call everyone a cheater and obviously there are many games that don't rely entirely on aiming or reflexes but coming up with this example was not good.
Elaborate. Why was the "example" not good? What's wrong with the logic? Who else would you turn to if you were looking for people with tens of thousands of hours of experience in video games? Don't point fingers and then don't correct it. Who's the "regular people" you're talking about? The 50 hour playtime Silver 3 player who's overwhelmed with running forwards without getting stuck on walls and with the crosshair placed in the ground? Why would such a player be more trustworthy in being able the make out differences in mouse feel compared to a pro who's been playing CS for the majority of his life? Go into more detail.
Vocaleyes wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 23:00
I'm tempted to give the higher watt PSU a try, simply through exhausting other avenues and desperation.
Just to remind you again that I don't think the actual PSU wattage or even the PSU itself is the reaon if felt better when I got it. IMO it's because the connectors are still new and make excellent contact, allowing more current to take the intended path back through the ground wires on the PCIe 8-pins instead of going through the motherboard & the CPU EPS or the 24-pin plug. I think that with more plugging and un-plugging of the 8-pin the contacts might get slightly worse, the resistance increases, and so the current across the motherboard & other paths increase because their resistance is now lower than on the intended wire. This leads to interference, which can mess up signals.

Good luck with trying tough.
Vocaleyes wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 23:00
Also thank you for articulately presenting your findings with rational and logical responses.
Thanks, appreciated! I'm doing my best, I really want to get to the bottom of this and it's baffling to me that, with all the internet's collective wisdom, nobody could figure out the root cause yet. I don't think I'll be the one finding it, but maybe my posts can contribute to someone else's effort. I just hope it helps!
So far the only times called me delusional were when they either had no real argument or they were straight up lying. This is not an important point here, but I'll elaborate on who is to be trusted regarding latency. Those who paved the way of Windows and PC optimizations, like Calypto, AMITXV, Marctraider and r0ach. Most active forum members here, because they describe the same issues and the go through the same process of trying to solve it.
I can quote many posts where the same things I claim about Windows versions are mentioned but one is enough to summarize them: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4963

I never understand why people like you who seem to be somewhat intelligent get so mad over the same things. This is a thread you started but it is not yours. You have to play by the site's rules and so do I. Even despite that you spend more effort defending people who you don't know, than you spend trying to analitically see things because as it has been obviously stated, "pros" don't know anything about computers. The average person who sees a Fortnite optimization guide about humanity's saviour, Timer Resolution is already more knowledgeable and can make out more of a difference than a big ex-pro streamer who shares the knowledge of using the same mouse and mousepad brands for the best performance. This last one wasn't a made up example if you didn't know already.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 26 Apr 2025, 20:10

Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
So far the only times called me delusional were when they either had no real argument
So let me get this straight. You're saying I don't have a real argument, while you're saying this:
Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
They always use their own peripherals and some of them want to look unique by using a sandpapered mousepad or a pad torn to pieces or a mouse grip that looks like they have their hands bent outward. This just makes me further believe they could use a ball mouse if they have their skill loaded elsewhere
That's an argument, because... why, exactly? Where is the evidence? Where is the proof? Anything else than "I believe"? Come on now.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
I never understand why people like you who seem to be somewhat intelligent get so mad over the same things.
Because this one hits close to home REALLY BAD. Insinuating that anybody, no matter if I know them or not, is cheating without ANY evidence to support that claim is hideous, vile and malicious behaivour. You have NO IDEA how much you can ruin someone's life with this shit. You hit a very, very sensitive nerve with that because this has happened to me in the past. Shit's not funny, not appropriate and I will fight back against it with all the force available to me. Never accuse anybody of cheating without having the evidence to back it up. I'm not letting that slide, no matter what. Simple as.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
So far the only times called me delusional were when they [...] were straight up lying.
Congratulations, you've earned yourself a report. Straight up insinuating lying is a big no-no.

You're delusional because you think there are professional players, playing video games as their source of income, who would be stupid enough to risk their entire livelihood by cheating. You insinuate that pros have cheated their way to a major or a grand slam, without raising any kind of suspicion for people who actually know how to play the game. It doesn't get more ridiculous than that. There's no evidence to back this up, there never has been and until there is, it will stay a delulu take. The world isn't full of conspiracies, not every pro is cheating, the moon isn't made out of cheese, the earth isn't flat and chemtrails don't exist. Get real.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
I can quote many posts where the same things I claim about Windows versions are mentioned but one is enough to summarize them: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4963
So let me follow your train of thoughts. Windows 10 and 11 come with "integrated" delay which is there because... reasons. Alright, okay, my tinfoil hat is on and I'm embarking on the ride. So out of all the millions upon millions of players using Windows as their operating system of choice, everybody who's not done these tweaks has the same problems like we have and it just happens to be that only a tiny fraction out of these millions of users notice? Okay, sounds interesting. Let's see, you can search this forum and many other forums and a majority of the victims of the problems claim that it gets a lot better at night. The feeling of the computer changes with the time of the day. How come? Does Bill Gates hack into your computer every night and change FSO settings for all your games? What's changing between daytime and nighttime? Other users reported instant improvement when moving, that's including me when I was testing my system at my mother's house. Or when I was playing on my school friend's computer in the breaks. Mind you, he was your run of the mill casual player who didn't know how to reinstall Windows without help and therefore didn't have any setting changed in the first place. How come? What settings in Windows changed by taking the computer to another place or by playing on somebody else's computer? How would the computer know? By the microchip you've been implanted when you were vaccinated?

Let's take the tinfoil hat off and get real, your claim makes no sense when it comes to the problems this sub-forum is meant for. I've said it before and I say it again: If Windows came with lag, most players would know. Professional players would definitely know, and casuals will probably notice, too. It's beyond ridiculous.

And all that ignores that you'd think Microsoft would want to sell their product, because... well, they're a business. So they're allegedly electing to sell a broken piece of software which is marketed for gamers but comes with integrated lag instead of trying to make the best product possible to sell more. After all, you've done all the research already for them, they just need to change the settings that have been suggested, and they're good to go. But somehow they're not doing that and continue to sell a broken product which comes with lag. What gives? Any reasonable person would think that it would be in their best interest to sell more of their operating system, so why make it worse on purpose? What do they get from integrating lag into their OS? Are the freemasons forcing them to do it? Are they just sinister like that? Why would they subject themselves to the negative publicity that comes with integrating lag into your OS?

You say I don't spend time to...
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
trying to analitically see things
...but you didn't even think your own point through. Rather you come into here, insinuate that pro's are cheating and that players who have a well feeling Windows computer, without having done some tweaks, are lying. Nuh-uh.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
"pros" don't know anything about computers
That's the point! They don't know anything about this stuff, but they've been playing video games for decades, hours upon hours every day, probably 7 days a week. They know how far they have to move the mouse in order to hit a flick, they know exactly how the mouse feels when they're swiping it around. They don't know anything about the technical stuff, and that's exactly why this example is so good. They're not infulenced by the technical mumbo-jumbo, all they know is that they can play the game they've played for thousands of hours on any setup, no matter if it's their own setup or on a LAN.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
a big ex-pro streamer who shares the knowledge of using the same mouse and mousepad brands for the best performance
Thought experiment: Take shroud and sit him down in front of a setup which has the usual issues. What do you think will happen? I would bet a good chunk of change that he'll notice that something is off with his setup within seconds. He might not be able to pin down what it is, he might not even know that it's input lag or what it's even called, but he'll sure as hell notice something being off. Why? Because he's been playing video games for a long time and he knows exactly how the mouse should be moving with any given hand movement.

We've seen this before with s1mple. He's moved to a different apartment not too long ago and immediately complained about something being off. His stats plummeted, he couldn't get 10 frags in Faceit pugs. He had absolutely no idea what was going on, where to look for help or what to even type into google. But he instantly knew something was off and he described his problems on stream. He moved again a little later, and the problems are gone afaik. How come he noticed something being off? Maybe because he is the literal GOAT of CSGO and he knows exactly how the mouse should be behaving when he moves it? Seems like that could be it, no?

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Hyote » 26 Apr 2025, 21:25

ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 20:10
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
So far the only times called me delusional were when they either had no real argument
So let me get this straight. You're saying I don't have a real argument, while you're saying this:
Hyote wrote:
24 Apr 2025, 09:17
They always use their own peripherals and some of them want to look unique by using a sandpapered mousepad or a pad torn to pieces or a mouse grip that looks like they have their hands bent outward. This just makes me further believe they could use a ball mouse if they have their skill loaded elsewhere
That's an argument, because... why, exactly? Where is the evidence? Where is the proof? Anything else than "I believe"? Come on now.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
I never understand why people like you who seem to be somewhat intelligent get so mad over the same things.
Because this one hits close to home REALLY BAD. Insinuating that anybody, no matter if I know them or not, is cheating without ANY evidence to support that claim is hideous, vile and malicious behaivour. You have NO IDEA how much you can ruin someone's life with this shit. You hit a very, very sensitive nerve with that because this has happened to me in the past. Shit's not funny, not appropriate and I will fight back against it with all the force available to me. Never accuse anybody of cheating without having the evidence to back it up. I'm not letting that slide, no matter what. Simple as.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
So far the only times called me delusional were when they [...] were straight up lying.
Congratulations, you've earned yourself a report. Straight up insinuating lying is a big no-no.

You're delusional because you think there are professional players, playing video games as their source of income, who would be stupid enough to risk their entire livelihood by cheating. You insinuate that pros have cheated their way to a major or a grand slam, without raising any kind of suspicion for people who actually know how to play the game. It doesn't get more ridiculous than that. There's no evidence to back this up, there never has been and until there is, it will stay a delulu take. The world isn't full of conspiracies, not every pro is cheating, the moon isn't made out of cheese, the earth isn't flat and chemtrails don't exist. Get real.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
I can quote many posts where the same things I claim about Windows versions are mentioned but one is enough to summarize them: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4963
So let me follow your train of thoughts. Windows 10 and 11 come with "integrated" delay which is there because... reasons. Alright, okay, my tinfoil hat is on and I'm embarking on the ride. So out of all the millions upon millions of players using Windows as their operating system of choice, everybody who's not done these tweaks has the same problems like we have and it just happens to be that only a tiny fraction out of these millions of users notice? Okay, sounds interesting. Let's see, you can search this forum and many other forums and a majority of the victims of the problems claim that it gets a lot better at night. The feeling of the computer changes with the time of the day. How come? Does Bill Gates hack into your computer every night and change FSO settings for all your games? What's changing between daytime and nighttime? Other users reported instant improvement when moving, that's including me when I was testing my system at my mother's house. Or when I was playing on my school friend's computer in the breaks. Mind you, he was your run of the mill casual player who didn't know how to reinstall Windows without help and therefore didn't have any setting changed in the first place. How come? What settings in Windows changed by taking the computer to another place or by playing on somebody else's computer? How would the computer know? By the microchip you've been implanted when you were vaccinated?

Let's take the tinfoil hat off and get real, your claim makes no sense when it comes to the problems this sub-forum is meant for. I've said it before and I say it again: If Windows came with lag, most players would know. Professional players would definitely know, and casuals will probably notice, too. It's beyond ridiculous.

And all that ignores that you'd think Microsoft would want to sell their product, because... well, they're a business. So they're allegedly electing to sell a broken piece of software which is marketed for gamers but comes with integrated lag instead of trying to make the best product possible to sell more. After all, you've done all the research already for them, they just need to change the settings that have been suggested, and they're good to go. But somehow they're not doing that and continue to sell a broken product which comes with lag. What gives? Any reasonable person would think that it would be in their best interest to sell more of their operating system, so why make it worse on purpose? What do they get from integrating lag into their OS? Are the freemasons forcing them to do it? Are they just sinister like that? Why would they subject themselves to the negative publicity that comes with integrating lag into your OS?

You say I don't spend time to...
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
trying to analitically see things
...but you didn't even think your own point through. Rather you come into here, insinuate that pro's are cheating and that players who have a well feeling Windows computer, without having done some tweaks, are lying. Nuh-uh.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
"pros" don't know anything about computers
That's the point! They don't know anything about this stuff, but they've been playing video games for decades, hours upon hours every day, probably 7 days a week. They know how far they have to move the mouse in order to hit a flick, they know exactly how the mouse feels when they're swiping it around. They don't know anything about the technical stuff, and that's exactly why this example is so good. They're not infulenced by the technical mumbo-jumbo, all they know is that they can play the game they've played for thousands of hours on any setup, no matter if it's their own setup or on a LAN.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 18:00
a big ex-pro streamer who shares the knowledge of using the same mouse and mousepad brands for the best performance
Thought experiment: Take shroud and sit him down in front of a setup which has the usual issues. What do you think will happen? I would bet a good chunk of change that he'll notice that something is off with his setup within seconds. He might not be able to pin down what it is, he might not even know that it's input lag or what it's even called, but he'll sure as hell notice something being off. Why? Because he's been playing video games for a long time and he knows exactly how the mouse should be moving with any given hand movement.

We've seen this before with s1mple. He's moved to a different apartment not too long ago and immediately complained about something being off. His stats plummeted, he couldn't get 10 frags in Faceit pugs. He had absolutely no idea what was going on, where to look for help or what to even type into google. But he instantly knew something was off and he described his problems on stream. He moved again a little later, and the problems are gone afaik. How come he noticed something being off? Maybe because he is the literal GOAT of CSGO and he knows exactly how the mouse should be behaving when he moves it? Seems like that could be it, no?
I'll stop hijacking this thread with my last answer about what more or less comes close to the original topic. Windows is the victim of the typical modern age downgrading. Everything is made to look clean, simple and minimal at the cost of functionality. It is evolving backwards and your tinfoil hat bit of writing was not about this claim but about what you think was going through my mind. No, I don't think there is injected lag but the result of poorly done work. Why would they care about making it perform as well as it could, when other things like UI design changes and AI implementations are more marketable.
Outside of being unable to search through the Registry in Windows 7, there isn't a single bit of added functionality I need in "modern" versions and I think most people don't need them either.
And lastly I understand if you had baseless accusations but I still have no idea why you would defend something that becomes obvious even from a few YouTube videos. I watched some lower tier matches and the things commentators don't say a word about blows my brain. Players quickly locking onto each other through smoke for info is one I'll probably remember forever.
For last, how is this malicious to them? A random guy writes posts about them cheating on the BB forums? The reason I don't provide any proof or try to go after anyone is because this is just my personal opinion. You should check out the rest of the internet because there are a few people with this opinion.
To really finish this nasty side topic off, I would also like to clarify that I never suffered from any kind of skill issue as they say.


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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 27 Apr 2025, 17:44

Oh, you're making it really easy for me today. You've carefully ignored a lot of stuff I've written down, and I can just quote myself here without having to type it again, as the point still stands.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 21:25
Everything is made to look clean, simple and minimal at the cost of functionality. It is evolving backwards and your tinfoil hat bit of writing was not about this claim but about what you think was going through my mind. No, I don't think there is injected lag but the result of poorly done work. Why would they care about making it perform as well as it could, when other things like UI design changes and AI implementations are more marketable.
This point I made is still relevant:
ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 20:10
So out of all the millions upon millions of players using Windows as their operating system of choice, everybody who's not done these tweaks has the same problems like we have and it just happens to be that only a tiny fraction out of these millions of users notice?
ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 20:10
you can search this forum and many other forums and a majority of the victims of the problems claim that it gets a lot better at night. The feeling of the computer changes with the time of the day. How come? Does Bill Gates hack into your computer every night and change FSO settings for all your games? What's changing between daytime and nighttime? Other users reported instant improvement when moving, that's including me when I was testing my system at my mother's house. Or when I was playing on my school friend's computer in the breaks. Mind you, he was your run of the mill casual player who didn't know how to reinstall Windows without help and therefore didn't have any setting changed in the first place. How come?
Explain this with the background of Windows being a step back and the result of "poorly done work". How can A LOT of people, including pros who know exactly how their mouse is supposed to feel, not notice anything being off when they're playing on unmodified, out of the box Windows installations. Why is the quality of the operating system changing with the time of the day? What exactly is changing within the operating system that is causing the change in mouse behaviour over the course of the day? Why is Windows 7 better in this regard? Keep in mind both Windows 7's and Windows 10's kernel is based on the same fundamental architecture, called Windows NT. What exactly is different here, where is the work located at that has been done poorly, and how does that poorly done work influence the feeling of the mouse in relation to the time of the day? Why did they worsen the already existing, well-functional kernel from Windows 7 in the first place?
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 21:25
And lastly I understand if you had baseless accusations but I still have no idea why you would defend something that becomes obvious even from a few YouTube videos. I watched some lower tier matches and the things commentators don't say a word about blows my brain.
ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 20:10
Where is the evidence? Where is the proof?
Anything else than a YouTube video? Like actual evidence? Please do me a favor and link just one single video, with a timestamp, of where you think cheating is going on. I can guarantee you I will be able to explain the "lock on" within the given context of the round/game. Casters usually don't say anything, because in order for them to cast the game, they have to be pretty knowledgeable about the game they're casting, and literally every situation I've ever seen players get accused from can be explained and are reasonable in the given context. Anybody with even crude gamesense can come to that conclusion, and so should you. "Locking on" to players through walls isn't indicative of anything, it never was and never will be.

Come up with real proof, like for example a statement from ESIC or a VAC banned account from a pro. Before that, it's baseless accusations that belong nowhere but the dumpster.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 21:25
For last, how is this malicious to them? A random guy writes posts about them cheating on the BB forums?
You can't see how accusing somebody of cheating in a public forum can be a career-ending move? Alright. I've played Battlefield professionally back in 2012, so let's take this as an example. I've been on the receiving end of cheating accusations multiple times before in Battlefield games. Let's say somebody got hardcore rekt by me in the game. They're mad about it and they're creating a post on a public forum against me, falsely accusing me of cheating. That information is now out there, it's baseless and provably wrong, but it's out there nonetheless. Now, another shitter get's their cheeks clapped in the game. He's jumping onto Google and types in my name. Voila, there he is on the public forum which says to him in plain text: Christoph Smaul is cheating!

In a world maybe 30 years ago, this likely wouldn't be much of a problem, as people weren't deranged like they are today. Gen Z however love sensationalist BS, as soon as they read something like "xxx player is cheating!" on a forum without any evidence or proof, they're taking it at face value anyways, without fact-checking it at all. Now there's one guy who's reading on the public forum about me allegedly cheating. He has 10 friends he regularly plays the game with. When he logs into Teamspeak tomorrow, he'll tell them what he found out. Now there's 10 people who are under the impression I cheat. Each of these 10 friends has 10 more friends. Within hours, 100 people now have this falsified information. Each of these 100 friends have 10 more friends. You get where this is going. You'd be surpried how fast an entire community will "know" that you've been allegedly cheating because some dumbfuck posted a baseless "opinion" in a public forum.

Now imagine what would happen if I wanted to join a professional team. "Yeah, we know you're not cheating, but there is this negative publicity about you on the internet, and we would like to stay away from having that associated with our organisation". And if you think this wouldn't happen, oh boy do I have news for you.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 21:25
The reason I don't provide any proof or try to go after anyone is because this is just my personal opinion.
And some opinions should better be left insinde of one's brain. Your right of free speech ends where somebody else's rights begin. You can't go into the public, blair out baseless, trash opinions that can easily damage somebody's reputation and ruin their life, without consequences.
Hyote wrote:
26 Apr 2025, 21:25
I would also like to clarify that I never suffered from any kind of skill issue as they say.
Congratulations, nobody said that.

If you don't want to talk about the cheating off-topic stuff anymore, fine. However I would really like to know what you have to say about the Windows things and how poor work would influence the feeling of the computer depending on time of day and location.

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