No FPS gaming possible

[donger]

-order a new router to see if the one you have is broken, amazon returns are free
-order a new prebuilt PC to see of the on you have is broken, amazon returns are free
-take ur PC and get it to your friend to see if your internet is broken, having friends is also free

waveform. com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=b779d269-0c2a-4645-9ce0-3b256efada4b

And on top of there here is my ISP result, i destroy people in all online FPS games, meaning that similar result is not an ISP issue.

Brother 5 minutes in this thread and it it 101% clear that it is your ISP causing this. Stop wasting your life on this and just change your provider to optic fiber. You are using 30 year old technology, this will never work properly.

[LaggyTyp]

My router was replaced just a few weeks ago = no improvement
FritzBox 6690 with bridge mode + Asus router = no improvement
9800X3D + Asus MB + RTX 5080 = no improvement
7800X3D + Asus MB + RTX 4090 = no improvement

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbl ... ded634deea

The speed is lower because I disabled auto-tuning.

The ISP claimed (in an email) that the internet connection is perfectly fine. No problems.

[dermodemon]

My router was replaced just a few weeks ago = no improvement
FritzBox 6690 with bridge mode + Asus router = no improvement
9800X3D + Asus MB + RTX 5080 = no improvement
7800X3D + Asus MB + RTX 4090 = no improvement

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbl ... ded634deea

The speed is lower because I disabled auto-tuning.

The ISP claimed (in an email) that the internet connection is perfectly fine. No problems.

You should not disable auto-tuning. It will not improve your games AT ALL. Games are using UDP not TCP
P.S. Your results are pretty okay

[ChristophSmaul1337]

I don't think from the history of replies in this thread it is at all possible to deduct that the ISP must be at fault. There are no clear indications that OP's internet is acting up, and him having diagnostic overlays enabled, which show no problems or anomalies, is a very good hint that the ISP might not be at fault. Insisting on the OP switching to fiber isn't going to help his problems, especially if every bit of network diagnostics he has run unmistakenly show that there's nothing wrong with his connection.

I might have missed it in the replies, but I don't know what ISP you're on right now. What I can tell you is that I experienced the exact same symptoms like you do, and I'm on a 1 GBit/s FTTH connection. My ISP is Deutsche Telekom. Same scenario, nothing showing as abnormal in the diagnostic overlay. However, I can manipulate my setup in a way to make it act up again and behave just like yours, right now, while being on the same FTTH fiber connection and still not seeing any trace of abnormality in the overlays. Keep that in mind.

Bufferbloat tests I wouldn't give to much attention, because while bufferbloat is indeed a real problem, it only comes into effect when the internet connection is fully utilized. I doubt you're downloading something in the background at full 1 GBit/s speeds while also playing a shooter game at the same time. And then, even if you did and you would actually suffer from bufferbloat, the game's diagnostic overlay would show it in the form of ping spikes and/or packet loss.

If I were you, I'd be looking into other sections/subforums of this site now and explore some other possibilities. As you described that the weird stuff only happens when online, I'd start by looking at your cable connection inside of your home. These are copper wires, which means they can introduce noise and other unwanted kinds of interference if they're, for example, not grounded correctly.

I absolutely understand your frustrations with the problems, been there, done that. Keep your head up high, it'll get fixed eventually.

[donger]

I don't think from the history of replies in this thread it is at all possible to deduct that the ISP must be at fault.

He is using a god damn COAXIAL cable. this CRAP was used 30 years ago!!! Can you imagine electromagnetic interference on that thing?
It is literally 100% known for a fact that ISP is at fault here. He is lagging(and we are not talking about input lag here) while having zero problems with frames(he must be getting like 200+ frames on his rig). Unless he is having viruses or malfunctioning firewall. I ofc assumed he is using fresh windows. It seems this guy knows his stuff pretty well. I assumed he tested 99.9 all the usual stuff. ISP is at fault but from some reason the OP WANTS to believe it is not.

He literally REPLACED 100% of posible hardware other than his stone age fritzbox(why???).

1. Why not make a 5G router out of ur phone to rule out your ISP out of the equation? Hell. At this point just get a proper 5G antenna, modem and a router(30 days return window on amazon.de) and get to testing.
2. You might as well have packet loss because of your ISP.
3. Why to this day have we not seen a single video of your gaming problem of you dying in one pictosecond?
4. Why are we wasting time on this instead you taking ur PC going to ur friend and solving all of this in under 2 hours?(i assumed you have friends in ur hometown, hell even a family with a working TV or a monitor)
5. Please you only live once, tell your current ISP they can get lost and get a real ISP which can provide you with modern hardware
6. If you have tried all other ISP in your area and you have replaced all your hardware and you don' want to test 5G connection or your area has bad 5G ping/packet loss or whatever then there is NOTHING you can do until there is a new internet provider which will get fiber optic directly into your home. You are just wasting your time chasing something which is literally impossible on obsolete ISP hardware which was made 30 years ago. The fact that some germans can play just fine one docsis/vdsl doesn't mean that your area has proper hardware to allow for such thing.
7. As a last resort before giving up and letting go get the ISP technician in your home for him to do a checkup but there is like a 99.9% chance he will just halfass it since those people just don't care. He'll just do a basic speed test and say it's working OK. Unless you know someone working in there, nothing u can do.

[ChristophSmaul1337]

1. Why not make a 5G router out of ur phone to rule out your ISP out of the equation?

That most likely is inconclusive, because 5G will have higher latency and packet loss. Not comparable and not a good test. Also, OP is in Germany, we most likely don't have 5G available at his location unless he's downtown in a major city. And even then, there's no 5G in certain areas. We're in an infrastructural third-world country.

2. You might as well have packet loss because of your ISP.

Which the OP doesn't, as he's enabled the game's diagnostic overlays, recorded the gameplay and looked at it afterwards, not spotting any packet loss. This isn't happening for him.

3. Why to this day have we not seen a single video of your gaming problem of you dying in one pictosecond?

Because if someone comes here and asks for help, you'll assume he's telling nothing but the truth. Insinuating lying (which asking for "evidence" is) is diabolical behaviour which you should stop doing ASAP. You are free to choose to believe him or not, and if you think he's not actually facing problems, don't comment or reply here. I'm not OP, but If somebody would do this to me, I'd be furious. Questioning someone's sincerety like that is bottom of the barrel behaviour and not many people tolerate that. Don't do that, just some sound advice.

4. Why are we wasting time on this instead you taking ur PC going to ur friend and solving all of this in under 2 hours?(i assumed you have friends in ur hometown, hell even a family with a working TV or a monitor)

I'm sure for the OP this thread isn't a waste of time at all and he's happy about anything that could potentially fix his issues.

5. Please you only live once, tell your current ISP they can get lost and get a real ISP which can provide you with modern hardware

Yeah let's just jump to a conclusion which has no evidence to support it, blame the ISP for something you don't even know is their fault and get mad at them for delivering a connection that doesn't show any signs of instabilities. Sounds reasonable.

6. If you have tried all other ISP in your area and you have replaced all your hardware and you don' want to test 5G connection or your area has bad 5G ping/packet loss or whatever then there is NOTHING you can do until there is a new internet provider which will get fiber optic directly into your home. You are just wasting your time chasing something which is literally impossible on obsolete ISP hardware which was made 30 years ago.

Why can I manipulate my current setup in a deliberate way in order to recreate the same eratic behaviour from the OP, without touching anything related to internet at all? I'm on 1 GBit/s fiber with a very powerful pfSense router. If FTTH is the be-all and end-all, what do you say about my case? Also, the FritzBox isn't ancient hardware and is actually pretty modern, as it's from January 2022.

7. As a last resort before giving up and letting go get the ISP technician in your home for him to do a checkup but there is like a 99.9% chance he will just halfass it since those people just don't care.

What's a technician going to do different than what's already being diagnosed? He'll conduct tests for latency, bandwidth, maybe packet loss and jitter. That's it. OP has already done that with in-game tools and it showed nothing wrong. No point in wasting a technician's time.

He is using a god damn COAXIAL cable. this CRAP was used 30 years ago!!!

Data transmission over fiber with light impulses was invented in the 1950s and internet over fiber was first becoming technically feasible in the 1970s. That was 50 years ago. Just because some tech has been around for a long time, doesn't mean it's bad. The opposite is usually the case, it's a mature platform with most quirks figured out. Sure, coax is a shared medium and therefore not ideal, but again, his connection isn't showing problems in diagnostics, so it's not applicable here.

Can you imagine electromagnetic interference on that thing?

That's actually a legitimate concern and I wrote that in my last reply. Check that out / get it checked out. Missing or wrong grounding, for example, can cause havoc here.

It is literally 100% known for a fact that ISP is at fault here.

A game's diagnostic overlay showing 0% loss, normal and stable ping with very little jitter literally is the exact opposite of a fault of the ISP. If anything, it is 100% evidence of the ISP not being at fault.

[donger]

Bufferbloat tests I wouldn't give to much attention

As you described that the weird stuff only happens when online, I'd start by looking at your cable connection inside of your home. These are copper wires, which means they can introduce noise and other unwanted kinds of interference if they're, for example, not grounded correctly.

I would actually give zero attention to bufferbloat because it gave my 1000/1000 fiber connection a C rating when i have 0 packet loss and absolute perfect performance. I ofc don't game when downloading with 100% speed because that would just be idiotic. What you said about interference is a good idea but in reality all of that is under ground!

[LaggyTyp]

Thank you for the contributions! Thanks!

My ISP is = Vodafone (Germany)

I would really like to switch to FTTH, but what should I do if it isn't expanded? Here in Germany, everything works differently (difficult). Since Vodafone offers gigabit (via cable/DOCSIS) here, no other ISP feels compelled to roll out fiber optics. They probably don't see any potential for new customers in this area (I live in one of Germany's largest cities).

My only options are cable internet from Vodafone (the line belongs to Vodafone) or VDSL 250/40. There is no other option.

4G/5G work poorly here because the network is always at its limit. A friend once had a 4G device from Vodafone for home and often had a ping of +999ms in Warzone (he only plays Warzone). He says: Forget it!

We never max out our line. My wife watches YouTube/Netflix. The kids play PC, Nintendo, or PS5 and also watch YouTube, etc. Nothing unusual. The load is very low.

The FritzBox 6690 isn't my property. It belongs to Vodafone, and I pay €10 for it (including dual stack). The problem is: If you use your own modem/router with Vodafone (and there aren't many options for Euro-Docsis), you can almost certainly be sure you'll have to pay for every technician call out yourself. I had that experience back then. That's why I'd rather pay €10 and not have a headache.

And I see that friends who have the same line + FritzBox don't have any problems at all.

Another fact about the ISP: He was a technician here who said the problem wasn't in the house, but in a distribution box down the street. He said the signal quality wasn't OK. But Vodafone says everything's fine here. They're not listening to me anymore.

Facts:

1.) I enabled all the options in BF2042 to make problems visible, but everything looks normal.

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2.) I have the problems with overclocking (which has been running flawlessly for years and has been thoroughly tested) and I have them without overclocking!

3.) I have the problems with Windows 10 and also with Windows 11.

4.) I have the problems on four different computers (12900K, 5800X, 7800X3D, and 9800X3D).

5.) I also have the problems when using the FritzBox only as a modem and using an Asus router.

6.) The game doesn't put any strain on my computer (hardware) or connection at all (very minimal)

7.) All sensor values ​​(e.g., temperatures) are practically perfect (it couldn't be better)

8.) I die so quickly that I can't really do anything about it.

9.) I play very aggressively, but I don't get any advantage from it (that was never the case back then)

10.) Others seem to see/read my moves like a prophet

11.) I'm a very strong FPS gamer (above average)

12.) Sometimes my opponents die with three shots and then suddenly with a full magazine they don't die (50 rounds!)

13.) I suddenly lose every duel. No chance.

14.) It feels like I'm playing at 500ms. Like I'm in the past.

15.) Sometimes I think the game is intentionally downgrading my shots or gives me a delay

I don't want to adjust anything, etc., but I'm desperate. It's my only hobby in life.

[donger]

He was a technician here who said the problem wasn't in the house, but in a distribution box down the street. He said the signal quality wasn't OK.

This is something that i unfortunately knew the second i read your first post. And the reality is you can do nothing about it. The other guy in here got really mad about it LOL I remember those problems in Poland back in 2005!!! It literally all went away after switching to full fiber optic/ethernet/8p8c

2.)

yes yes this has nothing to do with your hardware, this would be the case if you would have drops to 30 fps but i assume you don't have this problem on rtx 4090 lol

10.) Others seem to see/read my moves like a prophet

Yes because of desync. What you see on your screen is not what is happening on the server.

12.)

Lag, packet loss

Like i said, you have only 3 choices now, and not a single one is permanent i guess:
-replace your fritz box(i don't think it will work but worth a try)
-get a proper 5g antenna, modem, router, and a 1 month plan, if will not be good just return everything to amazon
-try a different ISP maby they use a different infrastructure and have updated the last time you were with them

[LaggyTyp]

Forget: Players with slow weapons can take me out faster, even though I shoot first.

We only have two providers here:

Cable: Vodafone

For example, if I go to O2, O2 rents the line from Vodafone (everything remains the same).

VDSL: Telekom

Like cable, but with the difference that other providers have better peering than Telekom.

4G/5G: Forget it here.