My case with floaty/delayed mouse and keyboard.

[Vocaleyes]

Guys I have a very curious and weird finding:
(Just to make things clearer - 2017 PC = Good. 2020 PC = Lag/Floaty)

I went to a Gaming House yesterday, and it did feel more instant and consistent, so I thought hm, maybe what I have on my 2020 PC is just input lag, that although better than my 2017 PC in specs and FPS it still suffers from lag, prehaps due to some sort of incompatibility or manufacturing issue.

But then I figured this method of testing using drawings, I know it's not very reliable for a number of factors, but it is what I have. The test came from the fact that I used to play a drawing game on my 2017 PC, and it was very easy to draw. Then on my 2020 PC it is super hard to do so, feels unprecise, slow and all that.

The first image is from the Gaming House PC, and the other is from my 2020 PC:




Both were done in a fast manner, just going with the flow, think of how signatures are made, that's how I drew them. If it was done very slowly both would look the same, it's easy to be precise when you go slow. It's the same when it comes to aiming but you can't afford to go slow all the time in online FPS games, and it gets way worse when the target is moving... If I someday end up redoing that test I'll record it to analyze better, the idea came up on the fly.

Could this be caused solely by input lag or just that isn't enough to cause that amount of unprecision is what I'm wondering now...

Ah ok, so looks like you have my issue. Can go by lots of names like drift, icy, floaty, acceleration despite EPP disabled. But after talking to a Microsoft engineer about it a while ago, realised it's more like 'mouse coordinate accumulation'.
To clarify, next are my interpretations of that and not what the engineer said, he simply provided the tool to test to establish whether this was a windows issue or not. In the end we concluded it's not.

Side to side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCOiNo ... Xm&index=8

Circular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KIq5W ... Xm&index=5

That's what it looks like, cursor will move over time when in motion making it imprecise due to the accumulated coordinates as you can see in the second example, more negative value on the x axis compared to the y.

It's also much more obvious to observe the effect when drawing circles, for me repeatedly moving the physical mouse clockwise means the cursor will drift to the bottom right after a few (10-15) circles, whereas counter-clockwise results in the opposite effect and goes to the top right.

Since windows has been ruled out as the cause, leaves a few options behind as to why this is happening on some machines and others not. Can only speculate what the actual culprit is right now, so the fact you can produce both results on 2 separate machines right now is extremely valuable information for figuring out why this is happening. The more examples produced, the easier to find a common denominator.

Could you try the circle test on the gaming house PC and on the affected PC to further confirm.
I've also been thinking that this could be a CPU vs chipset handled USB issue, but looking at the examples of mobo's you provided neither of them have CPU handled USB ports, which debunks that theory if so. Although, one of the boards does have 2 USB controllers as opposed to 1, so maybe it's possible that so long as there's 2 controllers handling USB's this mitigates the issue, or could be a certain type of USB controller isn't working correctly, whereas the second asmedia USB controller is working as intended?

Would need to see how you get on drawing repeated circles to just really confirm that one machine is exhibiting the issue while the other isn't if that's ok.

It's a bit far from where I live, so I'll explore more with what I got right now, going there just to test this one thing isn't viable for me right now. But if I go there I will test it for sure. And yeah, my own PC has this issue too as shown in these videos you sent, which I always wondered if it was something normal that every PC has, or it was an issue.

Btw I'm starting to think that the issue is just on this specific PC, not anything electrical as my 2017 PC didn't have this lag and I used it in the same place as my 2020 PC. Best way to test that would be to bring a PC without the lag to test on my home, then I'd just buy a new one and be done with that.

No problem. When you’re able to test please update your post, thank you!

[internetexplorer4]

ok so, first we need to understand the most important thing that is: my gameplay when it comes to both mouse movement and keyboard delay is not just bad or really bad, it is completely abnormal and impossible for someone to reproduce <- this is the most important thing

I can prove and explain this with all the details but I would need to explain lot of things about the game I play, showing data, lot of screenshots, videos etc (I explained why I don't do this here in this comment viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13066&p=106313#p106313)

once you know that my gameplay is completely abnormal, way beyond being just bad or being laggy, there are 2 options, you can either consider that I'm just a ret@rd that can't even move a mouse properly but can do any other task outside the pc without any problem, like drawing, sports etc

or you can consider that I have the same problem with interference that people here also have

if you think my gameplay is good or average, there is literally no point discussing this, because what I'm gonna say here just makes sense because my gameplay is completely abnormal, way more than people with this same problem, like I said, I >>have<< to use 200 dpi, it is not my preference, if I use 400 dpi or above I literally can't click on the desktop icons, I had to lower my dpi over the years due to this problem

so ok, if you are considering that I have the issue and I'm not ret@rded, so it is not a skill issue but a "interference" or whatever you want to call it, and you know that my gameplay is completely abnormal and people can't reproduce it even if they try it, it becomes pretty simple

because I tested with 2 guys at a gaming cafe, we played on the same pc, they could play 10x better than me without any problem and they were average players, while I had the same gameplay that I had on every other pc I tried, which is extremely below average gameplay, and >impossible for someone to reproduce<

so if it is not skill issue and they could play normally without any problem at the same place, on the same pc, with the same mouse, same keyboard, monitor, configs etc, getting scores 10x better than me while being average players, if we are considering that I play that bad because of interference and not because skill issue, it becomes pretty clear where the problem is comming from, don't you agree?

if you are still considering that it could be hardware/software related in my case, even tho that 2 different people were playing on the exact same setup I was playing (like I said, same pc, same mouse, same keyboard, same monitor, same game, same config etc) could you explain how that could be possible?

with this test, there are only 2 options left for you to consider, either the problem doesn't exist and I just play really bad, being the worst player in the world or I cause interference when I touch the mouse and the keyboard, if you think something different I would like to understand the reason

I did ask you questions and as it was so important I addressed yours, kindly reciprocate. Thank you.

I didn't understand what you meant, you want me to answer your questions?

about recording a liveplay: I have lot of liveplays but I didn't get it what you want with that because it is literally impossible perceiving input lag with human eyes, how could you notice if my cursor has 200ms delay by looking at my hand movement? I can link you a lot of liveplays I have ofc but you won't find anything different with my hands from a normal person gameplay

about the mobos: I don't know, what I can say is that I tried lot of different brands, most of the pcs I tried had completely different specs but and like I said, this is completely irrelevant since other people don't have any problem using the same pc as me, I thought saying that I tried more than 20 pcs would be enough for you to stop considering being something like that, that's why I didn't answer

about what I think is the cause in my specific case: I don't "think" it is something because I already confirmed it, it is the body, and I didn't answer that because it was also pretty obvious

If you are so sure it's your body (even though you have no evidences) please go and create a post of your own, then you can talk about it there with people who wants to talk about it. I don't see why this would be related to my issue since different PCs behave differently on my case.

Also, I see how you ignore what other people ask of you, like hardware, it seems that you don't want to reach a logical conclusion, you just want people to comfort you by agreeing and saying "yea, it's your body that's causing interference, there's absolutely no other reason."
We talked on Discord about an year ago, I offered you a few things to try and you promptly ignored them claiming that you knew your body was causing it, yet after all that time you're still trying to prove it for some reason. Anyways, pls create your own post.

honestly, I was just talking to that guy in specific because I've been seeing some of his posts and thought he was actually putting a lot of effort into trying to understand things and doing tests, I felt like I should at least share what happens in my case, that's why I didn't even reply anything from you, because you've already showed to me that you don't care that much about actually trying things

about what you "offered" me, it was literally windows tweaks and changing configs, or am I wrong? at that point I had already tried like 15 different pcs, different cities etc, while you were having that problem for the first time with only 1 pc. I was trying to fix this issue and doing tests for like 4 years already and you had just bought a new pc and were dealing with it for the first time, you really expect that I would waste my time changing windows configs that I had already tried and even tho I had also tried different linux distros?? literally what is the point? + I have never disrespected you and I have never been mean to you, literally treat you with the most respect and then you just join a conversation that I didn't even mention you just to talk nonsense and try to make me seem like a clown

I don't know what you are saying about ignoring what others are asking, you can ask literally anything and I can answer (if I know the information ofc), but you don't want to use even 1% of your brain to think or test anything, why? are you just afraid to see the truth?

as you said, you have my discord and you also have here so you could objectively point out exactly what I'm saying that you think is wrong, but you have no arguments, right? I have 100% proof but you didn't even asked for it when we talked, are you literally just that dumb to say that I don't have proof while you never saw what I actually have?

if you are a real man that wants to understand what is going on feel free to ask me for the proofs on discord, it is really easy to just run from it and bullshit people to others without actually talking to them and understanding what they have to say. I dare you to give me a single logical argument that my issue is not body interference after you see all the videos and data I have but guess what? you just won't waste your precious time seeing it, instead you gonna be doing more windows tweaks and searching for placebos, this is what is worth your time

just explain to me, we have all the exact same symtpoms, I tested with people playing on the same pc, when I touch the pc the problem is there, when other people touch it, it is completely fine. what can you say about that? I really wonder what would be your logical argument for it, or are you gonna say that I'm just really bad and the problem doesn't exist for me but it exists for you?

not to mention that everytime I talked to you I never said that I knew your problem was the body or something, even tho I really think is that, I only said about my specific case, also tell me how many times I tried to convince you about body being the issue... just go through our discord chat and try to find a single time that I tried to convince you or prove you something, the few times I sent you messages was objectively asking for tests, literally. so it doesn't make any sense what you are talking about, it seems that you are just doing this trying to be cool? I guess that is it

one more thing for possible other people that actually have brain reading this: being the body doesn't make impossible to get better results in another pc, I had this experience myself, one of the 20 pcs I tried was a lot better and I have video from that, not only a video but also another video comparing side to side to other pcs that the interference was higher. like I said, laptops are a lot less affected for me, and I can also record that, I even have a video doing a fair comparison posted here that you probably didn't even see

anyways just to clarify:

- I was not talking with you or even mentioned you in the conversation
- you made a public post and I was talking to one guy in specific, you have nothing to do with it
- please avoid replying my comments to just talk bullshit and say nothing relevant like you are doing, you are probably a grown man and you're acting like a kid trying to bullshit someone you don't even know about a problem with pc games in a rabbit role forum
- I'm not going to make a post because I'm not trying to convince someone, like I said, I was trying to explain it better for that guy in specific because I found him dedicated
- if you are having any problem with me personally, you are more than welcome to send me a message on discord so we can talk

I'm probably not going to reply you here anymore unless you come with a actual logical argument about >>the issue<< instead of saying random things just to feed your ego

[giggio10]

I built my PC on my older PC's case and it got better. I was using only 2 screws (unpainted), so I went on and screwed in 3 more (painted) to see if it got even better and it got even better (I was unable to screw the 6th because I didn't adjust the last standoff before placing the mobo). I beat two of my personal records on Kovaak's, VT Smoothbot advanced and Wide Wall 4 Targets, on the 4th and 5th try. I'm not even training aim nowadays and even then I could beat these records by just playing it 4 times, without much effort either. Later I screwed the 6th in and it didn't make any noticeable change. And by better I mean less worse, I can still feel the issue like as I'm always delayed and the mouse being unpredictable and slippery.

Now I rebuilt it on its original case back again and it feels bad again. By the way, it came prebuilt with only 4 of the 6 holes with screws, I thought this could be the reason, but now even with all of them screwed in it just feels the same as before.
Maybe it is some wire causing interference or some grounding problem within the case or MOBO from what I learned in chatgpt. I really suspect it being this MOBO, I just don't like it ig, it looks cheap and minmaxed... Very tiny mobo with only 2 ram slot, lazy appearence, it doesn't look reliable. And also I made sure to not leave any cable behind the mobo and to space cables from each other as much as I can, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Thinking of buying a new PC case and mobo/cpu. At the same time I'm tired about this nonsense, don't know if I will or when I will, do that.

[Espionage724]

On the topic of osu!, I did this video earlier (just real-time gameplay with tablet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivip0sNnyhM

I get the floaty mouse feeling ordeal, but I'm thinking there's some hardware config that makes it an issue sometimes; I'm on Windows 10 low-latency tweaked and know it's good, but there's some BIOS settings I suspect cause something to affect overall latency sometimes:

• C-States
• Hyper-threading (pretty sure it's mainly this; I disable it normally)
• CPU Virtualization (on Linux this causes stuff to use XAPIC and sometimes causes stuff to be passed through IOMMU; I don't do VMs and disable it normally; not sure if it affects Windows with Core Isolation disabled)

With osu!, I had good results from FreeBSD, Xfce, Xorg, and evdev (not libinput) on the tablet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y693YXIsO3s

I say it was comparable or better than Windows, which is kind of impressive considering osu! was running through Wine :p

I'm not sure if Linux can be as-comparable from LiveUSB, but booting a LiveUSB of a Xfce distro (I recommend openSUSE Tumbleweed) and trying osu!lazer's AppImage could be a quick test to see if the mouse feels any different vs Windows.

[ProGrueso]

I did ask you questions and as it was so important I addressed yours, kindly reciprocate. Thank you.

I didn't understand what you meant, you want me to answer your questions?

about recording a liveplay: I have lot of liveplays but I didn't get it what you want with that because it is literally impossible perceiving input lag with human eyes, how could you notice if my cursor has 200ms delay by looking at my hand movement? I can link you a lot of liveplays I have ofc but you won't find anything different with my hands from a normal person gameplay

about the mobos: I don't know, what I can say is that I tried lot of different brands, most of the pcs I tried had completely different specs but and like I said, this is completely irrelevant since other people don't have any problem using the same pc as me, I thought saying that I tried more than 20 pcs would be enough for you to stop considering being something like that, that's why I didn't answer

about what I think is the cause in my specific case: I don't "think" it is something because I already confirmed it, it is the body, and I didn't answer that because it was also pretty obvious

If you are so sure it's your body (even though you have no evidences) please go and create a post of your own, then you can talk about it there with people who wants to talk about it. I don't see why this would be related to my issue since different PCs behave differently on my case.

Also, I see how you ignore what other people ask of you, like hardware, it seems that you don't want to reach a logical conclusion, you just want people to comfort you by agreeing and saying "yea, it's your body that's causing interference, there's absolutely no other reason."
We talked on Discord about an year ago, I offered you a few things to try and you promptly ignored them claiming that you knew your body was causing it, yet after all that time you're still trying to prove it for some reason. Anyways, pls create your own post.

honestly, I was just talking to that guy in specific because I've been seeing some of his posts and thought he was actually putting a lot of effort into trying to understand things and doing tests, I felt like I should at least share what happens in my case, that's why I didn't even reply anything from you, because you've already showed to me that you don't care that much about actually trying things

about what you "offered" me, it was literally windows tweaks and changing configs, or am I wrong? at that point I had already tried like 15 different pcs, different cities etc, while you were having that problem for the first time with only 1 pc. I was trying to fix this issue and doing tests for like 4 years already and you had just bought a new pc and were dealing with it for the first time, you really expect that I would waste my time changing windows configs that I had already tried and even tho I had also tried different linux distros?? literally what is the point? + I have never disrespected you and I have never been mean to you, literally treat you with the most respect and then you just join a conversation that I didn't even mention you just to talk nonsense and try to make me seem like a clown

I don't know what you are saying about ignoring what others are asking, you can ask literally anything and I can answer (if I know the information ofc), but you don't want to use even 1% of your brain to think or test anything, why? are you just afraid to see the truth?

as you said, you have my discord and you also have here so you could objectively point out exactly what I'm saying that you think is wrong, but you have no arguments, right? I have 100% proof but you didn't even asked for it when we talked, are you literally just that dumb to say that I don't have proof while you never saw what I actually have?

if you are a real man that wants to understand what is going on feel free to ask me for the proofs on discord, it is really easy to just run from it and bullshit people to others without actually talking to them and understanding what they have to say. I dare you to give me a single logical argument that my issue is not body interference after you see all the videos and data I have but guess what? you just won't waste your precious time seeing it, instead you gonna be doing more windows tweaks and searching for placebos, this is what is worth your time

just explain to me, we have all the exact same symtpoms, I tested with people playing on the same pc, when I touch the pc the problem is there, when other people touch it, it is completely fine. what can you say about that? I really wonder what would be your logical argument for it, or are you gonna say that I'm just really bad and the problem doesn't exist for me but it exists for you?

not to mention that everytime I talked to you I never said that I knew your problem was the body or something, even tho I really think is that, I only said about my specific case, also tell me how many times I tried to convince you about body being the issue... just go through our discord chat and try to find a single time that I tried to convince you or prove you something, the few times I sent you messages was objectively asking for tests, literally. so it doesn't make any sense what you are talking about, it seems that you are just doing this trying to be cool? I guess that is it

one more thing for possible other people that actually have brain reading this: being the body doesn't make impossible to get better results in another pc, I had this experience myself, one of the 20 pcs I tried was a lot better and I have video from that, not only a video but also another video comparing side to side to other pcs that the interference was higher. like I said, laptops are a lot less affected for me, and I can also record that, I even have a video doing a fair comparison posted here that you probably didn't even see

anyways just to clarify:

- I was not talking with you or even mentioned you in the conversation
- you made a public post and I was talking to one guy in specific, you have nothing to do with it
- please avoid replying my comments to just talk bullshit and say nothing relevant like you are doing, you are probably a grown man and you're acting like a kid trying to bullshit someone you don't even know about a problem with pc games in a rabbit role forum
- I'm not going to make a post because I'm not trying to convince someone, like I said, I was trying to explain it better for that guy in specific because I found him dedicated
- if you are having any problem with me personally, you are more than welcome to send me a message on discord so we can talk

I'm probably not going to reply you here anymore unless you come with a actual logical argument about >>the issue<< instead of saying random things just to feed your ego

I know for sure that it's the body. Just by wearing nitrile gloves or washing dishes gloves you can feel an immediate difference and if you add to it some rubber shoes or a plastic bag to your feet or raise your feet from floor... youl notice it. Once there is a hole both plastic bag or nitrile gloves it comes back. I think it happens because of a thing called earthing. Where if there is no proper grounding you will get electrocuted but in this case is a small current flowing from computer.

Maybe with a Micro AMP Leakage Clamp you could measure the amount of current flowing from your MNK usb cables then start disconnecting everything in the house to know what causes it. Starting with breakers.

But also I have prove that if you connect your pc/router to a ups and disconnect it from the outlet. The ups will inject pure electricity by its inside battery and it'l give you 2 hrs of of good gameplay. Then repeat.

But also I have discovered that Hot/Neutral reversed and Ground/Neutral connection where shouldn't be connected caused me rubberbanding and heavy mouse (im glad I fixed that one).

But still... I second body theory.

Im still looking for a fix to ferrari peaks, bad hitreg, low damage, insta dying... etc.

[Sandy]

Guys I have a very curious and weird finding:
(Just to make things clearer - 2017 PC = Good. 2020 PC = Lag/Floaty)

I went to a Gaming House yesterday, and it did feel more instant and consistent, so I thought hm, maybe what I have on my 2020 PC is just input lag, that although better than my 2017 PC in specs and FPS it still suffers from lag, prehaps due to some sort of incompatibility or manufacturing issue.

But then I figured this method of testing using drawings, I know it's not very reliable for a number of factors, but it is what I have. The test came from the fact that I used to play a drawing game on my 2017 PC, and it was very easy to draw. Then on my 2020 PC it is super hard to do so, feels unprecise, slow and all that.

The first image is from the Gaming House PC, and the other is from my 2020 PC:




Both were done in a fast manner, just going with the flow, think of how signatures are made, that's how I drew them. If it was done very slowly both would look the same, it's easy to be precise when you go slow. It's the same when it comes to aiming but you can't afford to go slow all the time in online FPS games, and it gets way worse when the target is moving... If I someday end up redoing that test I'll record it to analyze better, the idea came up on the fly.

Could this be caused solely by input lag or just that isn't enough to cause that amount of unprecision is what I'm wondering now...

Ah ok, so looks like you have my issue. Can go by lots of names like drift, icy, floaty, acceleration despite EPP disabled. But after talking to a Microsoft engineer about it a while ago, realised it's more like 'mouse coordinate accumulation'.
To clarify, next are my interpretations of that and not what the engineer said, he simply provided the tool to test to establish whether this was a windows issue or not. In the end we concluded it's not.

Side to side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCOiNo ... Xm&index=8

Circular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KIq5W ... Xm&index=5

That's what it looks like, cursor will move over time when in motion making it imprecise due to the accumulated coordinates as you can see in the second example, more negative value on the x axis compared to the y.

It's also much more obvious to observe the effect when drawing circles, for me repeatedly moving the physical mouse clockwise means the cursor will drift to the bottom right after a few (10-15) circles, whereas counter-clockwise results in the opposite effect and goes to the top right.

Since windows has been ruled out as the cause, leaves a few options behind as to why this is happening on some machines and others not. Can only speculate what the actual culprit is right now, so the fact you can produce both results on 2 separate machines right now is extremely valuable information for figuring out why this is happening. The more examples produced, the easier to find a common denominator.

Could you try the circle test on the gaming house PC and on the affected PC to further confirm.
I've also been thinking that this could be a CPU vs chipset handled USB issue, but looking at the examples of mobo's you provided neither of them have CPU handled USB ports, which debunks that theory if so. Although, one of the boards does have 2 USB controllers as opposed to 1, so maybe it's possible that so long as there's 2 controllers handling USB's this mitigates the issue, or could be a certain type of USB controller isn't working correctly, whereas the second asmedia USB controller is working as intended?

Would need to see how you get on drawing repeated circles to just really confirm that one machine is exhibiting the issue while the other isn't if that's ok.

You are really a genius brother. I tested my mouse according to your method and found that I also have the problem of cursor drift. This means that one of the X coordinate and Y coordinate data is lost. Although I don’t know how to solve it, I am still very happy. Haha

[Vocaleyes]

A quick update with some new findings.

I recently built a new pc using the 9800x3d to see if cpu usb ports + something else i will talk about in a second were causing the issue. Unfortunately it did not solve the issue of the mouse drifting.

HOWEVER, another symptom I assumed (incorrectly) was related to the drifting issue was resolved in the process.

The theory was that DMI was becoming congested leading to not only the delta accumulation, but other issues too due to poor architectural lane routing limitations. Which it was, just not for the mouse.
The symptom i assumed was connected was extremely poor visual quality, blurriness in motion, picture at 240fps looking and feeling like 60, had now been completely resolved i assume due to the new motherboard having better lane allocation.
The new build picture is extremely clear in general, and in motion, which leads to easier target acquisition.
Also the frame pacing is better, so while the mouse is still not right, it feels better due to that fact.

So ruled out OS processing using rawmouseinput app that was made specifically to see if the os was causing this or if not.
Ruled out PC hardware to an extent, but still could possibly in theory be modern usb ports/ silicon has to comply with a certain power saving production criteria whereas old tech didnt have that limitation (speculative), could be modern mouse sensors using built in processing/ smoothing.

Modern mouse sensors and their firmware often apply motion processing algorithms including smoothing, prediction, and error correction to stabilise tracking and suppress noise. These algorithms work by DISCARDING or MODIFYING some raw delta inputs (the micro-movements reported by the sensor) when the firmware detects “implausible” or “noisy” motion patterns.

Here’s what happens in detail:
Raw deltas, Each frame the sensor sends X/Y displacement data (deltas). True 1:1 tracking means every delta translates to movement on-screen.
Filtering / smoothing layers: To improve perceived smoothness, reduce jitter, or fix angle snapping, modern sensors (even flagship ones like PAW3395, PAW3399, or Razer’s Focus Pro 30K) use firmware-side math that sometimes averages several deltas (temporal smoothing), drops small deltas if below a movement threshold (deemed as noise) & predicts direction by biasing deltas to match previous motion vectors. Which means when you move in a circle or fine pattern, the algorithm misjudges subtle directional shifts as “noise” and drops or delays small deltas, creating drift or flattening of the path.
This is done because It makes low-speed cursor motion appear smoother in desktop use,It masks micro jitter on high DPI sensors and It reduces false deltas from vibrations or EMI in wireless operation. The downside? Competitive users or low-level testers notice this as cursor drift, inconsistent micro-corrections, or a “sticky” feel.

Before roughly 2015, most sensors like the Avago ADNS-3090, 3095, and early PMW 3310 used simpler image-correlation math. Their DSP only handled basic frame-to-frame comparison, low-pass filtering for noise & linear surface calibration. They lacked today’s motion prediction, dynamic frame weighting, and adaptive smoothing. So they produced truer raw deltas but more jitter and surface dropout. When PixArt introduced the PMW 3360 (2015) and its successors, they added vector stabilization (predictive smoothing), micro-delta suppression (noise gate) & dynamic surface tuning.

Those gave flawless tracking on cloth and high DPI stability but started the small cumulative offset observable today.

Those are the best explanations I’m currently sitting on. If this is a modern mouse firmware issue, unfortunately the math is baked into the sensor firmware or MCU layer of the mouse. Which is nothing a normal user like myself can do anything about.

[Vocaleyes]

I think this is actually the most plausible explanation and i think i know a way to confirm.

Anyone that has this drifting issue, please let me know, are you wrist aimers like myself?
Arm aimers are likely to be less affected by this issue.
Wrist aiming involves small, rotational micro-movements that get interpreted as noise or filtered out, causing drift and inconsistency.

Now i know theres going to be someone out there with the “why dont you just arm aim?”, and the easiest response to that would be, because i dont like it. I prefer wrist aiming as i have done for most of my life.

When i could aim correctly was when mice used avago sensors. Modern sensors are built with arm aimers in mind and are less likely to use the smaller, more precise and minute micro-adjustments which are affected.

I would say that this is 90% likely the issue.

[Slender]

I didn't understand what you meant, you want me to answer your questions?

about recording a liveplay: I have lot of liveplays but I didn't get it what you want with that because it is literally impossible perceiving input lag with human eyes, how could you notice if my cursor has 200ms delay by looking at my hand movement? I can link you a lot of liveplays I have ofc but you won't find anything different with my hands from a normal person gameplay

about the mobos: I don't know, what I can say is that I tried lot of different brands, most of the pcs I tried had completely different specs but and like I said, this is completely irrelevant since other people don't have any problem using the same pc as me, I thought saying that I tried more than 20 pcs would be enough for you to stop considering being something like that, that's why I didn't answer

about what I think is the cause in my specific case: I don't "think" it is something because I already confirmed it, it is the body, and I didn't answer that because it was also pretty obvious

If you are so sure it's your body (even though you have no evidences) please go and create a post of your own, then you can talk about it there with people who wants to talk about it. I don't see why this would be related to my issue since different PCs behave differently on my case.

Also, I see how you ignore what other people ask of you, like hardware, it seems that you don't want to reach a logical conclusion, you just want people to comfort you by agreeing and saying "yea, it's your body that's causing interference, there's absolutely no other reason."
We talked on Discord about an year ago, I offered you a few things to try and you promptly ignored them claiming that you knew your body was causing it, yet after all that time you're still trying to prove it for some reason. Anyways, pls create your own post.

honestly, I was just talking to that guy in specific because I've been seeing some of his posts and thought he was actually putting a lot of effort into trying to understand things and doing tests, I felt like I should at least share what happens in my case, that's why I didn't even reply anything from you, because you've already showed to me that you don't care that much about actually trying things

about what you "offered" me, it was literally windows tweaks and changing configs, or am I wrong? at that point I had already tried like 15 different pcs, different cities etc, while you were having that problem for the first time with only 1 pc. I was trying to fix this issue and doing tests for like 4 years already and you had just bought a new pc and were dealing with it for the first time, you really expect that I would waste my time changing windows configs that I had already tried and even tho I had also tried different linux distros?? literally what is the point? + I have never disrespected you and I have never been mean to you, literally treat you with the most respect and then you just join a conversation that I didn't even mention you just to talk nonsense and try to make me seem like a clown

I don't know what you are saying about ignoring what others are asking, you can ask literally anything and I can answer (if I know the information ofc), but you don't want to use even 1% of your brain to think or test anything, why? are you just afraid to see the truth?

as you said, you have my discord and you also have here so you could objectively point out exactly what I'm saying that you think is wrong, but you have no arguments, right? I have 100% proof but you didn't even asked for it when we talked, are you literally just that dumb to say that I don't have proof while you never saw what I actually have?

if you are a real man that wants to understand what is going on feel free to ask me for the proofs on discord, it is really easy to just run from it and bullshit people to others without actually talking to them and understanding what they have to say. I dare you to give me a single logical argument that my issue is not body interference after you see all the videos and data I have but guess what? you just won't waste your precious time seeing it, instead you gonna be doing more windows tweaks and searching for placebos, this is what is worth your time

just explain to me, we have all the exact same symtpoms, I tested with people playing on the same pc, when I touch the pc the problem is there, when other people touch it, it is completely fine. what can you say about that? I really wonder what would be your logical argument for it, or are you gonna say that I'm just really bad and the problem doesn't exist for me but it exists for you?

not to mention that everytime I talked to you I never said that I knew your problem was the body or something, even tho I really think is that, I only said about my specific case, also tell me how many times I tried to convince you about body being the issue... just go through our discord chat and try to find a single time that I tried to convince you or prove you something, the few times I sent you messages was objectively asking for tests, literally. so it doesn't make any sense what you are talking about, it seems that you are just doing this trying to be cool? I guess that is it

one more thing for possible other people that actually have brain reading this: being the body doesn't make impossible to get better results in another pc, I had this experience myself, one of the 20 pcs I tried was a lot better and I have video from that, not only a video but also another video comparing side to side to other pcs that the interference was higher. like I said, laptops are a lot less affected for me, and I can also record that, I even have a video doing a fair comparison posted here that you probably didn't even see

anyways just to clarify:

- I was not talking with you or even mentioned you in the conversation
- you made a public post and I was talking to one guy in specific, you have nothing to do with it
- please avoid replying my comments to just talk bullshit and say nothing relevant like you are doing, you are probably a grown man and you're acting like a kid trying to bullshit someone you don't even know about a problem with pc games in a rabbit role forum
- I'm not going to make a post because I'm not trying to convince someone, like I said, I was trying to explain it better for that guy in specific because I found him dedicated
- if you are having any problem with me personally, you are more than welcome to send me a message on discord so we can talk

I'm probably not going to reply you here anymore unless you come with a actual logical argument about >>the issue<< instead of saying random things just to feed your ego

I know for sure that it's the body. Just by wearing nitrile gloves or washing dishes gloves you can feel an immediate difference and if you add to it some rubber shoes or a plastic bag to your feet or raise your feet from floor... youl notice it. Once there is a hole both plastic bag or nitrile gloves it comes back. I think it happens because of a thing called earthing. Where if there is no proper grounding you will get electrocuted but in this case is a small current flowing from computer.

Maybe with a Micro AMP Leakage Clamp you could measure the amount of current flowing from your MNK usb cables then start disconnecting everything in the house to know what causes it. Starting with breakers.

But also I have prove that if you connect your pc/router to a ups and disconnect it from the outlet. The ups will inject pure electricity by its inside battery and it'l give you 2 hrs of of good gameplay. Then repeat.

But also I have discovered that Hot/Neutral reversed and Ground/Neutral connection where shouldn't be connected caused me rubberbanding and heavy mouse (im glad I fixed that one).

But still... I second body theory.

Im still looking for a fix to ferrari peaks, bad hitreg, low damage, insta dying... etc.

already tested it, battery not fix that issue.

You are talking about the body in the wrong way. You think that the body is the generator of the problem. You are wrong at the root - the body is the conductor of the problem. Your body is the same conductor for the current (and also for the 50/60 Hz current) that comes from your air / walls, your home. This is the reason why when you lift your feet off the ground, you are disconnecting from the place that is emitting the problem.when you touch the problematic floor or walls, you are transferring the interference from the walls to your body, and then you are transferring the problem directly to your PC through your body, which can worsen the problem, but removing your body from the chain does not solve it.
Instead of believing the hallucination that your body is the problem, try to isolate your PC and your body from the external environment, and once you do this, the problem will be permanently fixed.

[Slender]

I think this is actually the most plausible explanation and i think i know a way to confirm.

Anyone that has this drifting issue, please let me know, are you wrist aimers like myself?
Arm aimers are likely to be less affected by this issue.
Wrist aiming involves small, rotational micro-movements that get interpreted as noise or filtered out, causing drift and inconsistency.

Now i know theres going to be someone out there with the “why dont you just arm aim?”, and the easiest response to that would be, because i dont like it. I prefer wrist aiming as i have done for most of my life.

When i could aim correctly was when mice used avago sensors. Modern sensors are built with arm aimers in mind and are less likely to use the smaller, more precise and minute micro-adjustments which are affected.

I would say that this is 90% likely the issue.

10% lucky guys: