DSC Problems & Misinformation [DSC IS NOT A HOAX]

[evmadic]

We now know unequivocally that DSC does indeed add input lag.

phpBB [video]

DSC turns off Multi-plane Overlay.
Windows uses MPO to communicate directly with the display.
When MPO is off, Windows adds its own compositor layer called Compose Flip, which adds delay.

So if you purchased a high refresh rate OLED and your GPU is older than the new 5000 series, DSC processing is so damn heavy it eats up your GPU's internal display heads, leaving no resources left for MPO. And even if you're within dp1.4's bandwidth, MPO still won't be active and you'll be incurring delay from Compose Flip.

[dervu]

We now know unequivocally that DSC does indeed add input lag.

phpBB [video]

DSC turns off Multi-plane Overlay.
Windows uses MPO to communicate directly with the display.
When MPO is off, Windows adds its own compositor layer called Compose Flip, which adds delay.

So if you purchased a high refresh rate OLED and your GPU is older than the new 5000 series, DSC processing is so damn heavy it eats up your GPU's internal display heads, leaving no resources left for MPO. And even if you're within dp1.4's bandwidth, MPO still won't be active and you'll be incurring delay from Compose Flip.

The thing is that using presentmon uses one more overlay, but you have only one slot with 4xxx cards & DSC, so if you don't use overlay but only use shortcut to record data with presentmon and you check in file after recording, you will find independent flip was active.

Was the difference even measured?

[kyube]

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I hope you know that this youtuber uses LLM slop without any external tools to "evaluate" (spread disinformation) to laymen like you.
See: viewtopic.php?t=12730&start=30#p118897

[Terepin]

We now know unequivocally that DSC does indeed add input lag.

phpBB [video]

DSC turns off Multi-plane Overlay.
Windows uses MPO to communicate directly with the display.
When MPO is off, Windows adds its own compositor layer called Compose Flip, which adds delay.

So if you purchased a high refresh rate OLED and your GPU is older than the new 5000 series, DSC processing is so damn heavy it eats up your GPU's internal display heads, leaving no resources left for MPO. And even if you're within dp1.4's bandwidth, MPO still won't be active and you'll be incurring delay from Compose Flip.

Yeah, no. I have Acer Predator XB273UNX with DSC on (1440p 240 Hz 12bpc) and MPO works just fine.

[pigzera]

We now know unequivocally that DSC does indeed add input lag.

phpBB [video]

DSC turns off Multi-plane Overlay.
Windows uses MPO to communicate directly with the display.
When MPO is off, Windows adds its own compositor layer called Compose Flip, which adds delay.

So if you purchased a high refresh rate OLED and your GPU is older than the new 5000 series, DSC processing is so damn heavy it eats up your GPU's internal display heads, leaving no resources left for MPO. And even if you're within dp1.4's bandwidth, MPO still won't be active and you'll be incurring delay from Compose Flip.

Did a test on my acer xv240f6 (600hz dsc, rtx 4070ti) and dxdiag report MPO disabled. Then did the C.R.U trick to disable DSC but keep 600hz and now dxdiag is reporting correctly MPO enabled.

[Chief Blur Buster]

DSC turns off Multi-plane Overlay.
Windows uses MPO to communicate directly with the display.
When MPO is off, Windows adds its own compositor layer called Compose Flip, which adds delay.

DSC and MPO can be used together.

It's the OS/driver/display fault if it does not.

DSC can be (in theory) essentially lagless *if* fully *and* properly implemented.

Unfortunately displays and OS aren't always fully optimizing the workflow...

DWM compositing is a fallback when MPO isn't doing the free compositing. On a practical matter, on an RTX 5090 going almost 2 terabytes per second, DWM compositing should theoretically be only ~9 microseconds (0.009ms lag) at the RTX 5090 memory bandwidth on a 1080p framebuffer when MPO is not active.

Now, if your GPU memory is slower, especially laptop memory, DWM compositing takes much longer... You can also use full screen exclusive to bypass that, and thus eliminate most need of lag-reducing benefits of MPO. (Nonwithstanding the ugly rabbit hole of Windows' FSO)

The real world? Kinda a mess.