For the first time in a very long time, the input lag problem is completely gone.

[MK92]

I live in an old apartment with TN-C system, the bars are located in the hallway, not in apartment itself.

In my case, it was like this:

During day:
PC worked bad whole the time, but not extremely bad ---> if I turned on oven, induction hob or clothing iron, the PC became great ----> when I turned OFF those devices, the PC became even worse than at the beginning, it was literally not usable - it needed about 1 hour to stabilize and became just "bad" again, not extremely bad.

During night:
After midnight, it always worked perfectly fine for some reason.

So it was probably two different issues - the first issue was a 55-year-old wiring in my apartment that was probably corroded and broken already, and this was fixed by bypassing the wall wiring by installing a fresh dedicated current - this fixed PC instability during the day and oven / induction effect; I also had PC socket on the same circuit as those appliances. It was 99,99% neutral drift and neutral impedance issues, and then voltage sags.

While the second issue was apparentlly dirty electricity coming in from neighbours through shared neutrals, and this is why it worked fine at night. Looks like replacing the connectors at neutral bar fixed this, or maybe the entire fix was just a dedicated circuit, OR it was just a faulty neutral bar and I wouldn't even need a dedicated circuit, who knows.

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

[dervu]

I live in an old apartment with TN-C system, the bars are located in the hallway, not in apartment itself.

In my case, it was like this:

During day:
PC worked bad whole the time, but not extremely bad ---> if I turned on oven, induction hob or clothing iron, the PC became great ----> when I turned OFF those devices, the PC became even worse than at the beginning, it was literally not usable - it needed about 1 hour to stabilize and became just "bad" again, not extremely bad.

During night:
After midnight, it always worked perfectly fine for some reason.

So it was probably two different issues - the first issue was a 55-year-old wiring in my apartment that was probably corroded and broken already, and this was fixed by bypassing the wall wiring by installing a fresh dedicated current - this fixed PC instability during the day and oven / induction effect; I also had PC socket on the same circuit as those appliances. It was 99,99% neutral drift and neutral impedance issues, and then voltage sags.

While the second issue was apparentlly dirty electricity coming in from neighbours through shared neutrals, and this is why it worked fine at night. Looks like replacing the connectors at neutral bar fixed this, or maybe the entire fix was just a dedicated circuit, OR it was just a faulty neutral bar and I wouldn't even need a dedicated circuit, who knows.

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

Actually higher refresh rate gives you more cursor ghosts when moving.

[adrian_13371]

I live in an old apartment with TN-C system, the bars are located in the hallway, not in apartment itself.

In my case, it was like this:

During day:
PC worked bad whole the time, but not extremely bad ---> if I turned on oven, induction hob or clothing iron, the PC became great ----> when I turned OFF those devices, the PC became even worse than at the beginning, it was literally not usable - it needed about 1 hour to stabilize and became just "bad" again, not extremely bad.

During night:
After midnight, it always worked perfectly fine for some reason.

So it was probably two different issues - the first issue was a 55-year-old wiring in my apartment that was probably corroded and broken already, and this was fixed by bypassing the wall wiring by installing a fresh dedicated current - this fixed PC instability during the day and oven / induction effect; I also had PC socket on the same circuit as those appliances. It was 99,99% neutral drift and neutral impedance issues, and then voltage sags.

While the second issue was apparentlly dirty electricity coming in from neighbours through shared neutrals, and this is why it worked fine at night. Looks like replacing the connectors at neutral bar fixed this, or maybe the entire fix was just a dedicated circuit, OR it was just a faulty neutral bar and I wouldn't even need a dedicated circuit, who knows.

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

All of these issues listed and yet nobody has ever caught that on camera? Why? because there is no such thing, electricity has no effect on your monitor quality/refresh rate or the speed of your pc, its impossible. Unless you can prove me wrong

[dervu]

I live in an old apartment with TN-C system, the bars are located in the hallway, not in apartment itself.

In my case, it was like this:

During day:
PC worked bad whole the time, but not extremely bad ---> if I turned on oven, induction hob or clothing iron, the PC became great ----> when I turned OFF those devices, the PC became even worse than at the beginning, it was literally not usable - it needed about 1 hour to stabilize and became just "bad" again, not extremely bad.

During night:
After midnight, it always worked perfectly fine for some reason.

So it was probably two different issues - the first issue was a 55-year-old wiring in my apartment that was probably corroded and broken already, and this was fixed by bypassing the wall wiring by installing a fresh dedicated current - this fixed PC instability during the day and oven / induction effect; I also had PC socket on the same circuit as those appliances. It was 99,99% neutral drift and neutral impedance issues, and then voltage sags.

While the second issue was apparentlly dirty electricity coming in from neighbours through shared neutrals, and this is why it worked fine at night. Looks like replacing the connectors at neutral bar fixed this, or maybe the entire fix was just a dedicated circuit, OR it was just a faulty neutral bar and I wouldn't even need a dedicated circuit, who knows.

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

All of these issues listed and yet nobody has ever caught that on camera? Why? because there is no such thing, electricity has no effect on your monitor quality/refresh rate or the speed of your pc, its impossible. Unless you can prove me wrong

Animation/simulation error also wasn't measured until only recently, yet you could tell something is off.
Anyway, there are people with proof, but there is no point in sharing it if no one will solve it for you, if you need to figure it out locally anyway.

I shared CPU-Z timer stutter on motherboard manufacturer forums and all I got was that it shouldn't happen at all, while it happened on multipe setups with brand new motherboards. Did it help me solve the issue? No. I was only lucky that equipment in my apartment block causing it was due for replacement.

[MK92]

I live in an old apartment with TN-C system, the bars are located in the hallway, not in apartment itself.

In my case, it was like this:

During day:
PC worked bad whole the time, but not extremely bad ---> if I turned on oven, induction hob or clothing iron, the PC became great ----> when I turned OFF those devices, the PC became even worse than at the beginning, it was literally not usable - it needed about 1 hour to stabilize and became just "bad" again, not extremely bad.

During night:
After midnight, it always worked perfectly fine for some reason.

So it was probably two different issues - the first issue was a 55-year-old wiring in my apartment that was probably corroded and broken already, and this was fixed by bypassing the wall wiring by installing a fresh dedicated current - this fixed PC instability during the day and oven / induction effect; I also had PC socket on the same circuit as those appliances. It was 99,99% neutral drift and neutral impedance issues, and then voltage sags.

While the second issue was apparentlly dirty electricity coming in from neighbours through shared neutrals, and this is why it worked fine at night. Looks like replacing the connectors at neutral bar fixed this, or maybe the entire fix was just a dedicated circuit, OR it was just a faulty neutral bar and I wouldn't even need a dedicated circuit, who knows.

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

All of these issues listed and yet nobody has ever caught that on camera? Why? because there is no such thing, electricity has no effect on your monitor quality/refresh rate or the speed of your pc, its impossible. Unless you can prove me wrong

Sure, electricity is just an ON/OFF binary state, it either work and power up the PC, or it doesn't...my ass...if you have no idea how a broken neutral reference, neutral potential, polarity problems, high impedance, voltage sags and fluctuations, neutral drift, ground loops, harmonics, or just simple stuff like corroded and loose connectors etc. etc. could interact with sophisticated and sensitive devices like modern PCs, then you better don't say anything...this is like saying that tyres on a car have no impact on car's performance or some crap like that.

Power issues are causing 90% of problems for people in this forum, its just that someone has minor electrical issues (= minor symptoms), and some of us had huge faults in installation (= major symptoms, and almost non-usable PC). If the PSU's active PFC cannot regulate power correctly anymore because the electricity is bad, then 3.3V, 5v and 12V internal rails collapse, ripple increases, transient response became shit, and you have those symptoms.

[adrian_13371]

Until you guys can actually measure and capture the "PC working bad" because of "dirty" electricity to me it's all schizo posting and placebo. There is literally zero videos/benchmark that show the difference between how pc works on "clean" vs "dirty" electricity

Lol, the UI animations in windows, browser, anywhere loading slowly and choppy like the refresh rate on the desktop is actually below 50, websites loading slower (NOT an internet speed issue, but processing of the CPU), mouse leaving trails behind and being delayed (moving mouse left and right at moderate speed provides like 5 cursors at the same time on the screen, because refreshing and frametime pacing is so low). And among many examples, if you put 3 icons on the desktop, one above each other, and you try to move cursor above all of them up and down fastly, the one in the middle won't even be "registered" - i.e. it won't be highlighted like it should, it simply skip this input and goes to the next icon.

Not to mention clearly degraded visuals like blury text, washed colours, brigthness of the monitor clearly being lower than it should be and is "wobbling" and "breathing" etc., you don't need to measure something that can be felt by using the PC for literally 10 seconds that everything is off, from refresh rate, output delays and desync between picture, sound and inputs, frametime pacing is broken, typing is dealyed, mouse is delayed, everything is delayed because of error-correcting protocol that triggers when there are power issues.

And I have a measures - the neutral drift between L and N+E was 6V and even higher right after I turned off appliances, while now when the PC works perfectly it's below 2V.

This is what actual power issues does to a PC, while people which are "behind the server", "hitbox is not correct", "enemies see me first" and stuff like that, yeah they are probably schizos, since this is done server-side and cannot be caused by electricity.

All of these issues listed and yet nobody has ever caught that on camera? Why? because there is no such thing, electricity has no effect on your monitor quality/refresh rate or the speed of your pc, its impossible. Unless you can prove me wrong

Sure, electricity is just an ON/OFF binary state, it either work and power up the PC, or it doesn't...my ass...if you have no idea how a broken neutral reference, neutral potential, polarity problems, high impedance, voltage sags and fluctuations, neutral drift, ground loops, harmonics, or just simple stuff like corroded and loose connectors etc. etc. could interact with sophisticated and sensitive devices like modern PCs, then you better don't say anything...this is like saying that tyres on a car have no impact on car's performance or some crap like that.

Power issues are causing 90% of problems for people in this forum, its just that someone has minor electrical issues (= minor symptoms), and some of us had huge faults in installation (= major symptoms, and almost non-usable PC). If the PSU's active PFC cannot regulate power correctly anymore because the electricity is bad, then 3.3V, 5v and 12V internal rails collapse, ripple increases, transient response became shit, and you have those symptoms.

The only symptoms that bad electricity could give is that your games or the whole pc would crash and that's only if your psu is trash, some schizo "bad image quality" or web pages loading slower is impossible. You could ask amd/intel engineer and they would told you the same thing

[MK92]

I don't give three craps what you think, I - and many others - have had those symptoms, they are not picked up by ANY software measurement, and they are gone after fixing the neutral wire.

The monitor is even worse than PC PSU, because those 5€ chinese power brick adapters that are shipped with monitors nowadays all have just a tiny capacitor, one choke, and thats probably it, so it has basically no filtering...brightness pulsating and making high pitch sound at higher levels is the first sign of power issues in monitor, and in bigger cases with major electrical issues the entire picture would simply degrade visually.

[dervu]

Of course AMD/Intel engineers would say that. Why would they say their product is so bad it won't work properly in your location?

[MK92]

Engineers literally test their products in a perfect lab conditions, and not on 50+ year old installations with shared neutrals, so no shit they don't even know about those issues.

[adrian_13371]

I don't give three craps what you think, I - and many others - have had those symptoms, they are not picked up by ANY software measurement, and they are gone after fixing the neutral wire.

The monitor is even worse than PC PSU, because those 5€ chinese power brick adapters that are shipped with monitors nowadays all have just a tiny capacitor, one choke, and thats probably it, so it has basically no filtering...brightness pulsating and making high pitch sound at higher levels is the first sign of power issues in monitor, and in bigger cases with major electrical issues the entire picture would simply degrade visually.

"have had those symptoms, they are not picked up by ANY software measurement" The issues that you describe could easily be recorded on external camera, if they were real obviously, but they are not