Low MPRT strobing LCD TVs (mostly Samsung, some Sony - lots of RTINGS BFI Test image comparisons)

[derekchan]

Found a polish website showing pictures of motion performance of TVs even with "BFI" - for example the new QN80H from Samsung: https://www.choose.tv/de/fernseher/test ... -qn80h_AIW

There are a lot more reviews.

I got my hand on a Samsung QN90B and this TV works so much better with BFI than my previous QN90D. The black smearing is so much better. And i can say the QN90B is better than my Sony W905A - much brighter and even HDR is a variable option.

Good find! That's one more way to assess strobing modes, one that's not behind a paywall.
I didn't really consider the newer QN80H, the RTINGS capture is good but doesn't stand out compared to other Samsung QN models we've discussed here. Not to mention they are dimmer than the QN90D and QN95D, so any differences in the base strobing mode can be compensated by lowering brightness a little bit more.
A good option if you want something glossy, with obviously good motion clarity, but less so if brightness matters a lot to you.

I still think you were a victim of the panel lottery on your QN90D or that is a size-specific issue, but regardless I am glad you now have a superior alternative to what you had.

EDIT: I just noticed that the website you linked to used the exact same pictures for its BFI tests on both the QN90D and QN95D. Probably an error rather than something intentionally deceiving, but that's one obvious inconsistency I was able to spot pretty quickly. So I will still go by the more detailed RTINGS pursuit shots in the future, though I'm glad to have a free "second opinion" of sorts.
In any case I wouldn't honestly say that this QN90D or QN95D shot looks worse than the one they did for the QN90F and QN80H, it's just that afterimage are more visible because the brightness is higher. Also it might be due to ambient temperature at the time of the test.

RTINGS pursuit shot of the QN80H for post-erity.

can i ask jim
is cpd g420s pc crt monitor good motion handling with 1600 1200 75hz spec?
it will cost 500 usd include shipping fee
i never own a crt monitor before just a sd crt with 240p 480i spec
so i need some advice

i noticed this sd crt ar21m has blur text when displaying dvd anime movie,and screen slightly flicker or shaking image

[JimProfit]

can i ask jim
is cpd g420s pc crt monitor good motion handling with 1600 1200 75hz spec?
it will cost 500 usd include shipping fee
i never own a crt monitor before just a sd crt with 240p 480i spec
so i need some advice

i noticed this sd crt ar21m has blur text when displaying dvd anime movie,and screen slightly flicker or shaking image

I don't know this particular monitor, and like with all CRTs, it all comes down to luck whether the monitor still performs as it should after all these years. 500 bucks seem so high for a 19" monitor but I'm out of touch with current prices, I got my FW900 locally for 250€ in 2015.
That is never gonna happen again obviously.
It may take a bit of work to fix these issues but there's a chance they could be.

Theoretically, if you are able to fix convergence in the menu, and set up a resolution that is equal to the video resolution (or a direct multiple with a player that allows for integer scaling), there's a chance the image won't be as blurry.
Some models have a "focus" potentiometer, which may be out of whack. It will usually require removing the outer shell and not electrocute yourself by touching something you shouldn't, but I have also fixed very blurry monitors that way.

As for flicker and jerky motion, it might be because the monitor was set to 60hz and the content is 24 or 25fps. You would get both flicker (60hz on CRT can still be rough on the old eyeballs when you're not used to it) and 60hz is not a good fit for movie, or PAL, framerates.
At 72hz, the flicker would be minimal and the cadence would be near perfect for videos.

Just remember to switch back to 60hz for console-based games on emulator, and the framerate-locked PC games.

I wish I could help more but you will just need a bit of luck, only you can decide if it's worth the 500$ gamble.

[troyan]

I still think you were a victim of the panel lottery on your QN90D or that is a size-specific issue, but regardless I am glad you now have a superior alternative to what you had.

Maybe i will have another chance to get a QN90D in the future.

After playing a few hours on the QN90B with BFI i must say this is absolut fantastic - and BFI is a must have. I dont know what Samsung did four years ago but the forced 120Hz PWM dimming in the gaming mode makes playing without BFI nearly impossible. The brightness at 20 is high enough for me - even at a bright day. The ghosting with black is barely visible, looks like the pixel transistion is <=16ms or so.

[derekchan]

I still think you were a victim of the panel lottery on your QN90D or that is a size-specific issue, but regardless I am glad you now have a superior alternative to what you had.

Maybe i will have another chance to get a QN90D in the future.

After playing a few hours on the QN90B with BFI i must say this is absolut fantastic - and BFI is a must have. I dont know what Samsung did four years ago but the forced 120Hz PWM dimming in the gaming mode makes playing without BFI nearly impossible. The brightness at 20 is high enough for me - even at a bright day. The ghosting with black is barely visible, looks like the pixel transistion is <=16ms or so.

Jim
Can i ask if playback a 30fps locked game with 60hz output to crt plasma
There will be motion double image

Does dvd movie with 29.97fps on 60hz from media player suffer motion double image too

[JimProfit]

Jim
Can i ask if playback a 30fps locked game with 60hz output to crt plasma
There will be motion double image

Does dvd movie with 29.97fps on 60hz from media player suffer motion double image too

Yes. No matter the display tech or the motion clarity, if you have lower fps than refresh you will get at least one double image artifact.
It is more visible when motion clarity is high, but it's still present on sample and hold screen just hidden by the blur.
And on top of that, you get judder if the fps is not an integer of the refresh rate (for instance, 24fps content on a 60hz mode display).
I'd rather have higher motion clarity and one, more visible, double image artifact, than staying in sample and hold obviously.
One double image for video content and certain games is not a big deal.

If you wanna get rid of double image artifacts altogether, TV based interpolation (of the "de-judder" variety) cranked to max is the solution, or frame generation software such as Lossless Scaling. Both will introduce soap opera effect and sometimes other artifacts.

[derekchan]

Jim
Can i ask if playback a 30fps locked game with 60hz output to crt plasma
There will be motion double image

Does dvd movie with 29.97fps on 60hz from media player suffer motion double image too

Yes. No matter the display tech or the motion clarity, if you have lower fps than refresh you will get at least one double image artifact.
It is more visible when motion clarity is high, but it's still present on sample and hold screen just hidden by the blur.
And on top of that, you get judder if the fps is not an integer of the refresh rate (for instance, 24fps content on a 60hz mode display).
I'd rather have higher motion clarity and one, more visible, double image artifact, than staying in sample and hold obviously.
One double image for video content and certain games is not a big deal.

If you wanna get rid of double image artifacts altogether, TV based interpolation (of the "de-judder" variety) cranked to max is the solution, or frame generation software such as Lossless Scaling. Both will introduce soap opera effect and sometimes other artifacts.

Did you observe any 3d motion trail on your high hz fw900 crt?
I test 3d game on plasma crt oled ,they all have motion trail left behind when moving your mouse try to target your enemy
Higher hz monitor has less trail but still not eliminate

The motion trail look like the fast vehicle driving by while you see the trail left behind on your eyeball

This trail only happen on 3d game but not on 2d game

2.i play mario bro 2d jump and run game on plasma and oled with game mode on,and always feel the 120hz oled has more responsive control than 60hz plasma when pressing the jump button
The oled has more smoother action plasma

[JimProfit]

Did you observe any 3d motion trail on your high hz fw900 crt?
I test 3d game on plasma crt oled ,they all have motion trail left behind when moving your mouse try to target your enemy
Higher hz monitor has less trail but still not eliminate

The motion trail look like the fast vehicle driving by while you see the trail left behind on your eyeball

This trail only happen on 3d game but not on 2d game

2.i play mario bro 2d jump and run game on plasma and oled with game mode on,and always feel the 120hz oled has more responsive control than 60hz plasma when pressing the jump button
The oled has more smoother action plasma

I don't know for sure but maybe you can ask about in a new thread so as to not veer off topic and other people may jump in.

[JimProfit]

Quick update, the RTINGS review for the upper-mid range R85H has dropped, and it's basically the same story as the R95H.
While the result could be considered above average, it is still disappointing compared to what Samsung offered on their regular Mini-LED.
The slightly better pixel response time compared to the R95H doesn't translate into a better looking BFI pursuit shot, sadly.
But the screen is glossy, similarly to the Bravia 7 II discussed earlier.

The Mid-range Mini-LED QN80H still performs particularly well with its strobing mode, but it is inferior to the QN90D, QN95D and QN90F from previous years in nearly all aspects. To me, the 2024 QN90D and QN95D remain undefeated though obviously getting harder and harder to find.

We know have a solid idea of the state of LCD strobing in 2026 TVs. Overall, this year's Sony's offering when it comes to low-MPRT strobing LCD TVs appear to come ahead of Samsung's by a good margin, for the first time in a very long time.
Hisense and TCL have nothing to offer in that regard, and LG is unlikely to create a surprise but I'll make sure to mention it if they somehow do (no RTINGS review yet on their new QNED models).

Here's the pursuit shot of the R85H, this time in comparison with its glossy screen rivals of 2026, the Bravia 7 II (gun to my head, my pick if I needed a glossy low-MPRT TV today) and the QN80H.

[roginthemachine]

The last refuge of hope for 2026 in terms of low-MPRT LCD TVs would be the 8K QN990H ... but its smallest size is 85", and its Matte, and RTings won't be reviewing it as it's beyond their max price eligibility for review.

...But when it's on store shelves here I will certainly be popping down to eyeball it

[JimProfit]

The last refuge of hope for 2026 in terms of low-MPRT LCD TVs would be the 8K QN990H ... but its smallest size is 85", and its Matte, and RTings won't be reviewing it as it's beyond their max price eligibility for review.

...But when it's on store shelves here I will certainly be popping down to eyeball it

Yes, for some reason I thought Samsung had discontinued their 8K models. I assume it's matte again though?
Their 8K models didn't perform as well as their QN90/QN95 models in terms of brightness and picture quality though.

I mean I'm glad Sony is putting out a compelling alternative, but I wish the offer never degraded by any metric year over year.
Sadly everything always seems to be a tradeoff.