Acer Nitro XF252Q - Im so impressed with motion blur clarity.

[forii]

Thanks for review forii.

I had XF252QX in August 2019 and was impressed by motion clarity also. Now I have VG279QM more than month.

I don't know why, possible because of lower input lag, but I can play in CS GO with VG279QM better and this was main thing why I stick to VG279QM, but I admit that motion clarity is not so good as with XF252QX (OD 80 very close to XF252QX, but I use 60). I don't know how it for in COD MW, but for me main is game results. My dream now monitor with input lag of VG279QM and motion clarity of XF252QX )) , probably XL2546S would be it, but as I know XL2546S has the same panel as XF252QX so input lag in theory should be similar, but may be Benq improved something ..

Wow, how did you adapt to more blurry ufo's, do you see that in game? I think cs go its not so dynamic and there is not so much moving like in cod mw, thats why you like more less input lag. in my game im fast like FLASH even tho its not q3 (but i was thinking about playing this game again). Thats why i prefer to choose less blur vs less input lag, even tho as I said i was playing at 144hz TN 3 years with 8,3ms input lag
Dont you think that its placebo? that you playing better only because maybe 27 inch instead of 25 inch? 2ms difference is nothing imo, hmm.
But im happy that you enjoy your asus, I stilll dont know which one to choose, I refund the vg259qm already, the vg279qm is nice if it comes to the size, but elmb is not playable due to massive multiplier visible crosstalk.
I think for me only good TN can be useful, im too addict to sharp enemies while they move around and with BFI (VBR) even if I have 4.8 ms input lag I still feel better, due to better visibility and I can react faster and aim better due to it.

[sk1p]

Thanks for review forii.

I had XF252QX in August 2019 and was impressed by motion clarity also. Now I have VG279QM more than month.

I don't know why, possible because of lower input lag, but I can play in CS GO with VG279QM better and this was main thing why I stick to VG279QM, but I admit that motion clarity is not so good as with XF252QX (OD 80 very close to XF252QX, but I use 60). I don't know how it for in COD MW, but for me main is game results. My dream now monitor with input lag of VG279QM and motion clarity of XF252QX )) , probably XL2546S would be it, but as I know XL2546S has the same panel as XF252QX so input lag in theory should be similar, but may be Benq improved something ..

The vg279qm's elmb is locked at 80 overdrive also. Which is a perfect synchronization at higher framerates. U cant make claims on which is "clearer" if u arent using the optimal settings of the monit
Hundreds of ppl visit this site for information. Im not a big fan of ppl spreading.misinformation.

Oh, sorry, it's my bad, I forgot to mention one thing. These all previous conlusions about motion clarity was about stock mode of both monitors. I told about 240hz and 60 OD of VG279QM and normal overdrive mode of xf252qx(if I properly remember the name of setting)

Of course VG279QM views superior motion clarity with OD 80 and 280hz or in ELMB mode. (should be better than xf252qx in this case)

I tried every settings with VG279QM like OD 60-80-100(100 not playable in every case as for me), ELMB and 280hz mode.

As for me the best motion clarity in CS GO I see with OD 80 and 280hz, but 280hz adds slightly input latency so not use for CS. ELMB adds slighly input latency in cs also not use.

And what's problem for me with OD 80, I agree that I see more clearer picture than with 60 OD, also slightly lower input latency, but my game statistics and aim become worse, like something incorrect.

All these settings I tested many times and the best game results in CS GO I always have with stock mode 240hz and OD 60, so that's why I sticked to this mode, game feels very natural, confident aim. Of course this is my conclusion and it's only for CS GO, I don't know how it would be in other games and probably I just paranoid CS GO player))

[forii]

@sk1p, and about input lag, look at this, this is even 26ms vs 65ms, when 26ms is for me acceptable, because its always same when does he hit and its really "hit", but I assume the 5ms is like real hit, and difference between 0,3ms is not noticeable, thats what I think
https://youtu.be/oLiiCjPDyFI?t=103

ok i found 1ms vs 5ms in cs go, cant see difference, or?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFMCgTjDQI

[sk1p]

Thanks for review forii.

I had XF252QX in August 2019 and was impressed by motion clarity also. Now I have VG279QM more than month.

I don't know why, possible because of lower input lag, but I can play in CS GO with VG279QM better and this was main thing why I stick to VG279QM, but I admit that motion clarity is not so good as with XF252QX (OD 80 very close to XF252QX, but I use 60). I don't know how it for in COD MW, but for me main is game results. My dream now monitor with input lag of VG279QM and motion clarity of XF252QX )) , probably XL2546S would be it, but as I know XL2546S has the same panel as XF252QX so input lag in theory should be similar, but may be Benq improved something ..

Wow, how did you adapt to more blurry ufo's, do you see that in game? I think cs go its not so dynamic and there is not so much moving like in cod mw, thats why you like more less input lag. in my game im fast like FLASH even tho its not q3 (but i was thinking about playing this game again). Thats why i prefer to choose less blur vs less input lag, even tho as I said i was playing at 144hz TN 3 years with 8,3ms input lag
Dont you think that its placebo? that you playing better only because maybe 27 inch instead of 25 inch? 2ms difference is nothing imo, hmm.
But im happy that you enjoy your asus, I stilll dont know which one to choose, I refund the vg259qm already, the vg279qm is nice if it comes to the size, but elmb is not playable due to massive multiplier visible crosstalk.
I think for me only good TN can be useful, im too addict to sharp enemies while they move around and with BFI (VBR) even if I have 4.8 ms input lag I still feel better, due to better visibility and I can react faster and aim better due to it.

I was thinking to change VG279QM to VG259QM because wanted more sharper image, but just bought large table and pushed back monitor for 2 inches )) now I satisfied))

As I told in previous message I most like picture with 280hz and 80OD, but my game results become worse)) with 240hz and 60 OD I play better that's why I not use any type of overdrive. Also play Quake Champions with default mode, satisfied here with VG279QM also, but I'm not so experienced in Quake, so my conclusion there only like amateur.

[sk1p]

@sk1p, and about input lag, look at this, this is even 26ms vs 65ms, when 26ms is for me acceptable, because its always same when does he hit and its really "hit", but I assume the 5ms is like real hit, and difference between 0,3ms is not noticeable, thats what I think
https://youtu.be/oLiiCjPDyFI?t=103

ok i found 1ms vs 5ms in cs go, cant see difference, or?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFMCgTjDQI

I can not see this difference on display, but just for me game feeling is better on VG279QM than XF252QX, I can play more confident, that's how I can describe that, according to TFTcentral input lag of xf252qx 3.3ms, VG279QM has 2.3ms.

[forii]

@sk1p I see

One guy told me that's all in our mind, if we think that some new monitor is top1 on the world, we most likely gonna play better on it due to self-confidence, esspecialy that the stats (response time, input lag in ms) are similar to our previous monitor.

And if it comes to me, when i played on asus there was always in my mind the thought that the motion blur is not perfect like on the TN's, thats why I couldn't stay on it... And now im playing better on this acer, cuz finally i Found amazing motion clarity.

I think based on my plan I will stick with that 240HZ TN acer and keep playing on it, and in future, when they make better monitor, like you said, the sharp like on acer + input lag on your asus, then I will sell my acer and get new one.

Esspecialy that this acer was like 300$ lol compare it vs new BenQ, which is 2x more and I doubt I will see difference anywya

[RLCSContender*]

Your TN is not even faster than my gatekeeper viewsonic elite xg270qg.
here's a pursuit camera picture of the video I posted. In pursuit videos, people can just cherry pick the worst part. But my pursuit camera is the most accurate since i got it DIRECTLY straight from the monitor myself.



This variable overdrive enabled(the g-sync chip will automatically choose the fastest overdrive with the least ghosting)

phpBB [video]

Hate to break it to you but yours looks far worse than his TN panel. Also you guys need to stop doing the silly 3 strip UFO test and start doing the fullscreen crosstalk one. Also you should tone down that attitude of yours, I'm pretty sure the site's founder/admin already warned you about that.

LOL no its not. The UFO tests don't lie bud. Here's another example of a 1ms 144hz TN monitor showing more noticeable crosstalk/smearing than the viewsonic elite xg270qg vs LG 24GM79G-B

is that "blue" that i'm seeing or green on the background? and is that grapefruit red or red? jeeez, i din't know colors were that bad. I'm sure the viewing angles will look like doodoo when kicking back or looking from the side, anyway that's beside the poitn.


the results are in folks

This dude's almighty TN vs the fastest 1440p IPS monitor. What would you buy?

AND NO, i didn't cherry pick anything. I will post multiple photos to be sure.

Viewsonic elite xg270qg vs 1ms TN monitor at $79.99 flea market



1ms TN monitor. That looks like crosstalk...didn't know TN monitors had crosstalk.



Here's another picture if in case someone brings up the "bbbut ur just cherry picKing bro"' argument




So nope, not even going to bother posting the MSI because evidently, your tn's "3x way clearer" argumente falls flat and i'm sure most people would agree with me when i showed everybody the side by side photos. .

I will only compare the MSI with a contender that is worthy of being compared to.

that is without variable overdrive on the viewsonic nano monitor. And the UFO test is STILL more sharp than his 144hz 1ms TN monitor. LG 24GM79G-B

You guys are missing my underlying point. I'm not ARGUIING that IPS is faster than TN, i'm arguing that the differences between the fastest TN vs the fastest IPS monitors are so negligible that it's simply not WORTH investeing in a TN monitor because the fastest IPS monitor can easily do the job the TN is known for without the monitor looking like a cat pissed on it (bad color uniformity), or looks like doo doo or have any bad color shifts if the monitor isn't directly in front of you on a PERFECT angle(bad viewing angles), Or even if the TN is in front of you, you will see distortion in the corners because of the cheap technology.

btw, the ppl using the price argument is false. The MSI optix mag251rx(the best 240hz IPS right now) is only $360, while a typical high end TN monitor is $500-$700

[sk1p]

@sk1p I see

One guy told me that's all in our mind, if we think that some new monitor is top1 on the world, we most likely gonna play better on it due to self-confidence, esspecialy that the stats (response time, input lag in ms) are similar to our previous monitor.

And if it comes to me, when i played on asus there was always in my mind the thought that the motion blur is not perfect like on the TN's, thats why I couldn't stay on it... And now im playing better on this acer, cuz finally i Found amazing motion clarity.

I think based on my plan I will stick with that 240HZ TN acer and keep playing on it, and in future, when they make better monitor, like you said, the sharp like on acer + input lag on your asus, then I will sell my acer and get new one.

Esspecialy that this acer was like 300$ lol compare it vs new BenQ, which is 2x more and I doubt I will see difference anywya

About 27 panel: I bought 27GK750F several years ago, TN 240 hz 27 panel and game experience wasn't so satisfy as with my old VG248QE. Actually, as I tried many 240hz panels and always returned them I was skeptical before VG279QM purchase, but at last this Asus surpised me and I started to play better with it than with vg248qe.

Right now drawback of VG279QM that IPS little bit dark for CS GO and you should you use shadow boost to see the enemies like with TN. So the best monitor for me in CS GO would be TN with input latency of VG279QM.

[jnashville]

I use 280hz with uncapped fps in csgo, on both OD 80 and OD 60. I am able to play well on both. No difference at all. I am also coming from a 240hz alienware aw2518h.

[forii]

Your TN is not even faster than my gatekeeper viewsonic elite xg270qg.
here's a pursuit camera picture of the video I posted. In pursuit videos, people can just cherry pick the worst part. But my pursuit camera is the most accurate since i got it DIRECTLY straight from the monitor myself.



This variable overdrive enabled(the g-sync chip will automatically choose the fastest overdrive with the least ghosting)

phpBB [video]

Hate to break it to you but yours looks far worse than his TN panel. Also you guys need to stop doing the silly 3 strip UFO test and start doing the fullscreen crosstalk one. Also you should tone down that attitude of yours, I'm pretty sure the site's founder/admin already warned you about that.

LOL no its not. The UFO tests don't lie bud. Here's another example of a 1ms 144hz TN monitor showing more noticeable crosstalk/smearing than the viewsonic elite xg270qg vs LG 24GM79G-B

is that "blue" that i'm seeing or green on the background? and is that grapefruit red or red? jeeez, i din't know colors were that bad. I'm sure the viewing angles will look like doodoo when kicking back or looking from the side, anyway that's beside the poitn.


the results are in folks

This dude's almighty TN vs the fastest 1440p IPS monitor. What would you buy?

AND NO, i didn't cherry pick anything. I will post multiple photos to be sure.

Viewsonic elite xg270qg vs 1ms TN monitor at $79.99 flea market



1ms TN monitor. That looks like crosstalk...didn't know TN monitors had crosstalk.



Here's another picture if in case someone brings up the "bbbut ur just cherry picKing bro"' argument




So nope, not even going to bother posting the MSI because evidently, your tn's "3x way clearer" argumente falls flat and i'm sure most people would agree with me when i showed everybody the side by side photos. .

I will only compare the MSI with a contender that is worthy of being compared to.

that is without variable overdrive on the viewsonic nano monitor. And the UFO test is STILL more sharp than his 144hz 1ms TN monitor. LG 24GM79G-B

You guys are missing my underlying point. I'm not ARGUIING that IPS is faster than TN, i'm arguing that the differences between the fastest TN vs the fastest IPS monitors are so negligible that it's simply not WORTH investeing in a TN monitor because the fastest IPS monitor can easily do the job the TN is known for without the monitor looking like a cat pissed on it (bad color uniformity), or looks like doo doo or have any bad color shifts if the monitor isn't directly in front of you on a PERFECT angle(bad viewing angles), Or even if the TN is in front of you, you will see distortion in the corners because of the cheap technology.

btw, the ppl using the price argument is false. The MSI optix mag251rx(the best 240hz IPS right now) is only $360, while a typical high end TN monitor is $500-$700

Dude stop doing it, why you trying to make IPS looks better than TN?

Here is real picture of my 144hz TN, which I already made before.

I will not let you posting false information about it, i can't ignore this post.

So here we go again:
That how looks my 144hz TN, 5ms response time, 8ms input lag monitor, the motion blur is pretty clear compare to your 165hz IPS, which is normal, because ips can't be SHARPER than TN (not talking about speed, because as you can see my tn is 5ms, and I believe your viewsonic much faster)


Here is real comparasion:



Still I don't know why you trying to compare my old TN vs your old IPS, while this topic is about 240hz TN and which might be better than this, and obv its not IPS, maybe the latest BenQ, for sure, but Im not gonna pay 2x price than this acer XF252QX cost.

As I said i have behind me the VG279QM and i put it next to this acer, and acer smoke's it easy with motion blur.

But if you wanna compare it using same camera, both video are mine, here, take a look again:

ASUS 240HZ IPS, 60 OD, VG259QM:
https://youtu.be/GLjBVT5PgVE

Acer Nitro XF252Q without even Motion blur:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLiVhGjBgs

Look how sharp are the ufo's, thats what im talking about