MSI OPTIX MAG251RX Review by RLCSContender

[RLCSContender*]

haah yuo're right, i gotta speak for myself more. it's just that at these high framerates and refresh rates, it can get very challenging to tell the difference. (at least for me). But i've seen other youtube videos of reviewers, and 99% of them say the same thing "i really don't see much of a difference from TN, but the TN performance is there for this IPS monitor"

I guess if two people of equal skill>One is using a 360hz monitor and the other a 240hz monitor, i guess that 360hz monitor player has a 2-5% advantage. That's just my presumption. I just don't see the point of having such a high refresh rate if diminishing returns and redundancy will start to occur since motion clarity at 240hz is excellent enough as it is to the point where skill will dictate the outcome and not the monitor.

again, that's just my opinion about these very subtle differences. Some people here can spot the diff, i guess some people are more perceptive than others.

EDIT at 360hz, what G2g does the monitor need to keep u? 1.8ms g2g? that's insanely quick. If there's a 90% complaiince of that refresh rate, i guess i will make the $500 TN purchase.

[Joel D]

Hi everyone ! This is my first post. And its in here because this is what drew me here. Greatly appreciate the knowledge being spread here ! Ya'll are light years ahead of my brain ! I'm just gamer. lol

BUT, I'm a serious OCD gamer looking for the best 240hz monitor for my new (and first PC) rig. So seriously, I have to ask after reading all this - is indeed the MSI Optic MAG251rx the best ? This thread is so helpful and at the same time confusing. Ha !

BTW I say first PC rig because it is. I'm a Mac dude my whole life for actual business/art and pleasure. And also always been on Consoles and recently 4k to my Sony A9G. Sony A9G btw is calibrated and looks BEAUTIFUL. Its 120hz capable so wanting to use it for some PC gaming too when I want more graphics and less competitive. Its seriously a beautiful screen, especially once professionally calibrated. Would like to be somewhere close in that ballpark but at 240hz.

Fortnite is my main competitive game and basically the whole reason I just dropped 3k on my PC rig ! lol So I want a monitor to match best BUT remember, I'm coming from liking Mac retina displays, calibrated Sony A9G, etc, so I don't wanna lose too much of that beauty. I hate stale washed out colors, overly bright, wimpy contrast, horrible blacks and low detail. So TN is out for me. Willing to take the minor speed loss for some beefier colors and presentation. (I know, that's just me, I know it will still be lightyears better than what I have been using, so my game should improve regardless)

So.. MSI ? Or ?????

[Chief Blur Buster]

There's advantages to higher Hz: 1000Hz will make strobeless ULMB possible.

Meaning, games look like perfect lagless ULMB -- blurless without needing backlight flashing.

ULMB with 2ms MPRT flashes is identical in motion blur to 500fps at 500Hz (nonstrobed, 0ms GtG)
ULMB with 1ms MPRT flashes is identical in motion blur to 1000fps at 1000Hz (nonstrobed, 0ms GtG)
ULMB with 0.5ms MPRT flashes is identical in motion blur to 2000fps at 2000Hz (nonstrobed, 0ms GtG)

(MPRT as in MPRT100% in this specific case).

That's why Blur Busters is excited to see the eventual arrival of quadruple-digit refresh rates, as a brute-force way of eliminating motion blur without needing strobing.

This has applications far beyond esports, since strobeless ULMB is essentially lagless, and behaves like per-pixel VRR (due to fine refresh cycle granularities). Simultaneous windows running at different frame rates looks equally smooth (e.g. 25fps window, 24fps window, 60fps window) since there's none of the refresh-vs-fps aliasing (aka stutter) at such fine refresh cycle granularities.

The latency of VSYNC ON, versus VSYNC OFF, versus VRR / FreeSync / G-SYNC, all converges to identical appearance, zero blur, zero lag. Sync technologies (invented due to finiteness of refresh rates) become less critical at retina refresh rates.

[Chief Blur Buster]

EDIT at 360hz, what G2g does the monitor need to keep u? 1.8ms g2g?

There's no easy answer, but the rated GtG should be less than half a refresh cycle, for the monitor to have visible motion clarity improvements. 1ms GtG (3ms+ realworld) is big whoop on 60Hz, but a giant bottleneck at 360Hz.

There's a very fuzzy continuum -- improvements become increasingly marginal the slower GtG is relative to the refresh cycle percentage. Even a GtG longer than a refresh cycle /still/ provide some improvements going from 2x refresh long to 1x refresh long. Witness the 33ms LCDs becoming 16ms LCDs -- the improvements were quite dramatic. But motion blur improvements were marginal when GtG first became a tiny fraction of a refresh cycle -- now we're bottlenecked by persistence blur instead of GtG. Persistence blur is what you see at www.testufo.com/eyetracking and at www.testufo.com/persistence

In an ideal world, complete GtG90% for all squares in the entire GtG heatmap, should all be less than half a refresh cycle long. But even slower GtG will still provide marginal improvements. 144Hz vs 165Hz (1.1x improvement) is almost completely muddied in a 3ms GtG panel, but the leap from 240Hz to 360Hz (1.5x improvement) is significantly large enough to partially compensate for the GtG slowness, showing some improvements even if not a full 1.5x clearer motion.

360Hz 1080p is the closest to strobeless ULMB I've seen so far in a public setting outside of a laboratory.

The rule of geometrically increasing refresh rate is a Blur Busters recommendation -- the law of diminishing returns requires a progress similar to 60Hz -> 120Hz -> 240Hz -> 480Hz -> 960Hz to remain human visible. The incrementalism of 144Hz->165Hz as well as 240Hz->280Hz do not show very huge benefits.

For those upgrading to 60Hz to 144Hz (2.4x improvement), will see a much more significant improvement going from 144Hz to 360Hz (2.5x improvement) unlike the more subtle jump 144Hz->240Hz.

Not everyone realizes how dramatically refresh rates need to increase. You have to double Hz to halve motion blur...

[avertos]

FASTEST= g2g average #1

#1 MSI Optix MAG251rx(3ms) little to no overshoot(only in early transitions which is NOT noticeable at 240hz.

Hello all, im new here and considering also the MSI or the Asus, i don't like the colors on the TN panels, even there have no overshoots.

Fix me if I am wrong, but why would someone go for the MSI over Asus, first its only 0,4-0,6ms difference, and then there is actually a lot of overshoot on MSI, so i don't know if its worth to go for little faster but with bigger overshoots (not little like you said) compare to Asus.

Just found this, one is from tftcentral, second one is from Hardware Unboxed youtube channel.



Can you explain us this?

Why you saying the overdrive is better than on Asus? if actually the Fast Mode is slower than 60 OD on ASus.

Fast Mode on MSI = 5.0ms response time (yea, no overshoots at all but well.. slow as..)
60 OD on Asus = 4,0ms response time (miminal overshoot)

[avertos]

Did I write something wrong? Why my whole reply got removed? Are you guys supporting MSI?
I need to write it again using other words? Im not expert, but i count on numbers.

So again... basing on that screen I can see that MSI overshoot's seems worse compare to Asus overshoots.

all i wanna know is that true?

[jorimt]

Did I write something wrong? Why my whole reply got removed? Are you guys supporting MSI?

No.

For new users, we have a moderation system in place for the first few posts. We have to manually approve them. Also, if one of your previous posts was approved, and you edited it after approval, it also goes back to the moderation queue for the first few posts.

Both your posts should now be appearing.

[avertos]

Did I write something wrong? Why my whole reply got removed? Are you guys supporting MSI?

No.

For new users, we have a moderation system in place for the first few posts. We have to manually approve them. Also, if one of your previous posts was approved, and you edited it after approval, it also goes back to the moderation queue for the first few posts.

Both your posts should now be appearing.

Alright I understand,
Waiting for the reply, hopefully the Mag will have less overshoot than Vg279QM, otherwise I wasted a money for a refund, because it will came from other country.

[Chief Blur Buster]

All vendors are enthusaically welcome!

For new users at first -- this forums does have an automatic moderation queue -- including for edits -- because of spammers sometimes editing their posts to insert advertisements months later. Automated filters often miss these.

[AddictFPS]

The acer nitro cannot run 10 bit and from my recollection, the xg270 cannot get a 10 bit signal.

uh, the ACER XV273X according to these owners said it cannot get a 10 bit signal.

http://bestmonitorsbyncx.createaforum.c ... t;start=10

Your link go to a forum where people talk about OLED coating.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... tro-xv273x

Gradient and InputLag sections. Rtings confirms that Acer XV273K IPS 240Hz is banding free using 10bits (8+FRC), and tested HDR 10bits inputlag at 60Hz. Beyond 60 there are issues.

But in the linked amazon XG270 user review, say HDR 120Hz 10bits (of course 8+FRC) without issues. Chief, you have tested it in your XG270 ?

MAG251RX is not the only one 240Hz IPS that can do 8+FRC, moreover all these FHD IPS 240Hz monitor have the same limit about 8+FRC due to DisplayPort v1.2a bandwith, none can do FHD 240Hz 8+FRC, is needed lower frequency. So, if these monitors are buyed with competitive play in mind, stay allways at 240Hz, 8+FRC can't be used.

i havn't tested all of the 240hz monitors> but from my recollection of testing majority of them, the only one that can get 1 billion emulated colors is the msi making it a TRUE IPS panel.

MAG251RX is native 8 bits IPS panel, used in several before launched monitors, is 8bits + FRC

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/8df31cfb