Acer Nitro XF2 XF252Q vs HP Omen X 25f

[forii]

I wanna finally get this "top1" msi mag251rx and compare it with the legend vg279qm, im cuirous how better are colors, if not only more over saturated lol

and curious about motion blur reduction because ELMB on vg279qm is not usable, too aggresive crosstalk

[Stayle]

I wanna finally get this "top1" msi mag251rx and compare it with the legend vg279qm, im cuirous how better are colors, if not only more over saturated lol

and curious about motion blur reduction because ELMB on vg279qm is not usable, too aggresive crosstalk

1080p 27" too much pixels while in deskop though

[forii]

I wanna finally get this "top1" msi mag251rx and compare it with the legend vg279qm, im cuirous how better are colors, if not only more over saturated lol

and curious about motion blur reduction because ELMB on vg279qm is not usable, too aggresive crosstalk

1080p 27" too much pixels while in deskop though

Yes pixel are visible but only a bit, for me thats better, i dont like small texts

[sk1p]

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo
The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

It was I ))

Have been using VG279QM for 2 months and very satisfied by it in CS GO ! Very like it's input lag, I can say there is no it.

There are many words about msi optix mag251rx, and one moment I thought try it, but gave up this idea, just afraid input like will be higher, there was information it is 3ms, but VG279QM has 2.3ms(probably signal process delay the same 0.3ms as it same AU Optronics panel)

I tried many TN 240hz panels( XL 2540, AW2518HF, LG 27GK750F, Acer XF252QX) and all of them returned to shop as I started to play worse after VG248QE(I connected this with input latency), and only VG279QM beated my old VG248QE.

I'm not young for CS GO already, 31 years, but with vg279qm still have so good games, a lot of clutches, kills 25-40 and have super confident aim.

Acer XF252QX was close to my current results, but not so good as with VG279QM. So for CS GO players highly recommend it.

One more thing I want to mention, when I tested 240 hz TN panels I didn't know that better use display scaling and played with GPU, it's increase input lag, I didn't remember what option was there with TN panels and probably it was GPU scaling which had affect on results, but once again with display scaling I can say that VG279QM just doesn't have input latency or it's pretty low, can not more play with VG248QE(actually already sold it), but he was good. (my eyes hurted sometimes with old VG248QE, with new VG279QM never have this situation, probably because of flicker free, VG248QE doesn't have it)

[forii]

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo
The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

It was I ))

Have been using VG279QM for 2 months and very satisfied by it in CS GO ! Very like it's input lag, I can say there is no it.

There are many words about msi optix mag251rx, and one moment I thought try it, but gave up this idea, just afraid input like will be higher, there was information it is 3ms, but VG279QM has 2.3ms(probably signal process delay the same 0.3ms as it same AU Optronics panel)

I tried many TN 240hz panels( XL 2540, AW2518HF, LG 27GK750F, Acer XF252QX) and all of them returned to shop as I started to play worse after VG248QE(I connected this with input latency), and only VG279QM beated my old VG248QE.

I'm not young for CS GO already, 31 years, but with vg279qm still have so good games, a lot of clutches, kills 25-40 and have super confident aim.

Acer XF252QX was close to my current results, but not so good as with VG279QM. So for CS GO players highly recommend it.

One more thing I want to mention, when I tested 240 hz TN panels I didn't know that better use display scaling and played with GPU, it's increase input lag, I didn't remember what option was there with TN panels and probably it was GPU scaling which had affect on results, but once again with display scaling I can say that VG279QM just doesn't have input latency or it's pretty low, can not more play with VG248QE(actually already sold it), but he was good. (my eyes hurted sometimes with old VG248QE, with new VG279QM never have this situation, probably because of flicker free, VG248QE doesn't have it)

dont u think u had gpu scaling before on ur acer 240hz TN which caused even more input lag than ur monitor had and now u went to asus and changed the scaling to display? and the problem solved?

[sk1p]

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo
The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

It was I ))

Have been using VG279QM for 2 months and very satisfied by it in CS GO ! Very like it's input lag, I can say there is no it.

There are many words about msi optix mag251rx, and one moment I thought try it, but gave up this idea, just afraid input like will be higher, there was information it is 3ms, but VG279QM has 2.3ms(probably signal process delay the same 0.3ms as it same AU Optronics panel)

I tried many TN 240hz panels( XL 2540, AW2518HF, LG 27GK750F, Acer XF252QX) and all of them returned to shop as I started to play worse after VG248QE(I connected this with input latency), and only VG279QM beated my old VG248QE.

I'm not young for CS GO already, 31 years, but with vg279qm still have so good games, a lot of clutches, kills 25-40 and have super confident aim.

Acer XF252QX was close to my current results, but not so good as with VG279QM. So for CS GO players highly recommend it.

One more thing I want to mention, when I tested 240 hz TN panels I didn't know that better use display scaling and played with GPU, it's increase input lag, I didn't remember what option was there with TN panels and probably it was GPU scaling which had affect on results, but once again with display scaling I can say that VG279QM just doesn't have input latency or it's pretty low, can not more play with VG248QE(actually already sold it), but he was good. (my eyes hurted sometimes with old VG248QE, with new VG279QM never have this situation, probably because of flicker free, VG248QE doesn't have it)

dont u think u had gpu scaling before on ur acer 240hz TN which caused even more input lag than ur monitor had and now u went to asus and changed the scaling to display? and the problem solved?

It can be so, that's why I can not answer exactly. I remember exactly that I checked that moment with XL 2540 and in any variant input lag was higher than before I had with vg248qe. Probably, I would had the same results with XF252QX and display scaling, but idk. This moment ineteresting for me right now, but it's hard to return the monitor to a shop with lockdown(we have strong isolation period in our country). May be after pandemic I will buy again xf252qx and check this moment, If I survive But in theory it's fact that vg279qm is faster than xf252qx in term of input latency. (according TFTcentral reviews, but there is one more good https://www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/ , VG279QM was compared to CRT)

[forii]

It can be so, that's why I can not answer exactly. I remember exactly that I checked that moment with XL 2540 and in any variant input lag was higher than before I had with vg248qe. Probably, I would had the same results with XF252QX and display scaling, but idk. This moment ineteresting for me right now, but it's hard to return the monitor to a shop with lockdown(we have strong isolation period in our country). May be after pandemic I will buy again xf252qx and check this moment, If I survive But in theory it's fact that vg279qm is faster than xf252qx in term of input latency. (according TFTcentral reviews, but there is one more good https://www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ASUSVG279QM/ , VG279QM was compared to CRT)

ye, I saw that review, well there is no perfect monitor, asus can have one of the best input lags of all monitors (or at least of these 1080p/240hz) but it doesnt have great ELMB (aggressive crosstalk), same with response time.

In monday I will get Mag today is some special day and I couldn't get the package.

After looking on that picture I believe that Mag has 2,38ms input lag (not 5,58ms )
So that pretty close anyway. Still lower than any monitor 1080p/240hz

[js27]

forii can you do me a favor and compare xf252q vs omen x 25f with overdrive off, I think this should tell us if omen has the new panel or not, more photos for comparison, old panel https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uplo ... -240Hz.png, new panel https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uplo ... -240Hz.png

[forii]

forii can you do me a favor and compare xf252q vs omen x 25f with overdrive off, I think this should tell us if omen has the new panel or not, more photos for comparison, old panel https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uplo ... -240Hz.png, new panel https://pcmonitors.info/wp-content/uplo ... -240Hz.png

Oh Im sorry, I already shipped back the HP Omen, I couldn't accept the fact that he was missing the option of saving profiles and the motion blur wasn't even any better, I managed to only film a movie with a acer vs omen compare of motion blur (ufo test).

HP Omen has slighty visible overshoot at his best overdrive, so in this case + extra BFI (motion blur reduction) the acer is better. Seems if someone want to use the acer its very good choice, except the black color uniformity which you need to deal with. I realised to deal with it you can slighty increase the black boost, I used it 0 at the desktop and 8 in games, but the 2 mode for movies seems better than 0.

Tommorow I will get the MSI, finally, can't wait. Its hard to me to accept 27 inch of asus after few days using it vs Acer.

So if MAG will not be nice for me then I will stick probably with the Acer over Asus VG279QM (my VG259QM was deffected imo, cuz at 80 OD there was more visible overshoot compare to 27 inch version).


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also I got message from Ashun (the guy who review the VG279QM (with the froggies on youtube and his website) and he said that if it comes to input lag, the processing Lag is most important, so even Asus has 0.30ms Processing Lag, when Acer Nitro for example has it at 2.0ms, thats a big difference imo. The msi has similar input lag in this case, 0,29ms processing lag, which is nice to know,

he said, we should not look at 2,38ms or 1,97ms. Because for example this is how Hardware Unboxed got the 2,38ms on MSI . At 240hz one frame leasts 4,16ms. The average lag over the frame is just half of that, so he takes 4,16/2 = 2.083. Take that 2.083 and add it to the processing lag, 2.083 + 0.29 = 2.373

[RLCSContender*]

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo

AND confirmation bias. Finding every little evidence to support your own bias against that said item. Yet why does every youtuber who reviewed the new IPS monitor say the same thing "can't really tell the difference between TN but the TN like performance is definitely there"

The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

uh what? the VG279qm is the fastest monitor in the world right now. LOL FASTER than any TN

input lag at 240hz refresh and framerates above the refresh rate become impossible to know the difference. (unless you're comparing extremes like 2ms input lag to 5ms input lag). Trivial changes in input lag doesnt' matter.

IF TWO equally skilled CSGO players, one of them is using a monitor with 2ms input lag and the other a 2.4ms input lag, the differences are so negligible that any variance in head to head competition isn't because of the input lag. However, the person with the slight disadvantage in input lag will have better viewing angles, no side effects such as distortion from the edges, better more accurate colors , and is able to use that monitor fore very thing else other than gaming. THAT is 1 million times noticeable than these trivial differences in performance(hint, there IS NONE, 240hz refresh and high framerates made the better perfomance from TN redundant and counter productive since 240hz high refresh already does the job in which TN has the advantage over IPS . such as increase motion clarity and lowers input lag).,


t;dr;ljk

g2g average becomes redundant at 240hz refresh and any FPS above 240hz
trivial differences in input lag if two skilled players went head to head would have zero impact head to head