05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[RLCSContender*]

Let me know the saturation levels once you install my recommend ICC profile. With mine, it looks like it's just as good as the 98% dci-p3 133% srgb nano IPS panels.

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/support/Opt ... own-driver

download the folder and install the ICM profile in the folder (yes, the mag272's icc profile is the best for the mag251rx, it USED to be on the MSI'251rx as well before they took it off for some weird reason). **keep in mind, every panel is different so if you aren't satisfied with waht you see, then don't use it.

Thanks so much. Remember, I have absolutely no clue what I am doing as I am new to this and also PC's (first PC). So I'm not sure how to do things and def will need like super layman instructions. I also could mess something up too.. lol So wanna be careful. That said, I am super savvy in general (at anything) and Mac's especially, so I will catch on quick if you're patient. I'm just literally 2 days experience on a PC so far. And 1 day experience with the MSI monitor and Nvidia control panel.

btw, I want to make sure I got the latest driver for my card too.. I notice mine happens to be the "Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 2080 Ti OC edition O11G". Still Nvidia I was told, but they just tweak it and sell it as their's. My control panel is indeed "Nvidia Control Panel" so I know its legit. Now on PC's how do I check to see what version driver I have for this card ? I was told by Asus that the latest is v445.87.

Yes sir, I totally understand about every panel not being the same, so sometimes copying settings doesn't translate identical. I won't hold you to any expectations. I appreciate all help

grab a soft napkin cloth and gently wipe where you get blb towards the corners. This should reduce or eliminate the bleed.

Wow ! Really ? Awesome, let me give that a try. Pro best to just use a camera lens cloth right ?

if u want to install the ICC profile, go that link i gave you, install it then go to display. Right click on your desktop and go to display settings-->advanced display settings-->display adapter properties-->color management-->DELETE that default icc and click add-->add the mag272 ICM profile.

Me mindful though, there are panel variances so what works for MY panel might not be optimal for yours. Then again, i've owned FOUR msi mag251rx and that ICM profile in my opinion was the best one of the 4 i purchased.

but yes, you have a lot of work to uupon geting it.

1 You have to install cru and have the PC resolution as "NATIVE" instead of the UHD, HD, SD on nvidia control panel. Otherwise it will display on the GPU which adds input lag/blur instead of the monitor.
2. You have to install an ICC profile(the one i gave is what i recommend)
3. you have to install "controlmymonitor" app. if you want to use backlight strobing in which you can adjust the brightness. it's fairly a lot of work out of the box but once you do all that, you really don't have to do anything
4. you have to install the MSI MAG251rx gaming app on the msi website if you want to assign macros and cheat when gaming. The gaming app in my opinion is the best. Iif i'm sniping, i always strobe and 1 click of a buttton and a few clicks of brightness, i'm able to get that perfect headshot(that's one example out of many to cheat) or 1 click of a button i have night vision automatically

once you do all that, you have the best overdrive TUNED 240hz ips monitor that basically has low enough overshoot to play on yet a response time that is faster than any IPS monitor to this date from 240hz and below. From 240hz and above it's a different story because that is Asus territory

[Joel D]

1 You have to install cru and have the PC resolution as "NATIVE" instead of the UHD, HD, SD on nvidia control panel. Otherwise it will display on the GPU which adds input lag/blur instead of the monitor.

thank god for CRU. where i was able to switch the native resolution to PC instead of Ultra HD, HD, SD. Once I did this, it's now officially scaling on the DISPLAY instead of my GPU. The differences are subtle but noticeable.

step 1 download/install CRU (i have windows 10) so this is for windows

https://custom-resolution-utility.en.lo4d.com/windows

step 2 Open Cru.exe (DBL click on it)

step 3 uncheck ALL of the resolutions on the left side

step 4 click on DELETE ALL, then click on ADD, it will take you to a different screen.

step 5 TYPE In 240.000, then click Ok. Click OK then exit.

step 6. on NVIDIA control panel, go to resolution.1080p or 1920x1080 will show up "NATIVE" under PC resolutions and NOT on Ultra HD, HD, SD(TV resolutions). I tested this and i was shocked when at 120hz refresh on its native TV resolution, the input lag was slightly better than the intput lag at 1080p non native PC resolution at 240hz.

Nvidia control panel lies to you. even if you you set it as "display scaling" if it's NOT on its native resolution, it will just automatically do GPU scaling(added input lag).

Hi,

You have a good video tutorial here Force Display Scaling v2 - YouTube

Thanks for the more detailed help RLCS - Ok, so the guys video (which is excellent btw, thanks Gunta0 !) shows a little different instruction than the people on here are saying to do. Mainly the Nvidia Pixel Patcher thing. Also, he says to uninstall your monitor from the Nvidia Control panel and Windows System displays cache thing first too.

So RLCS, do you also recommend that ? What is Pixel Patcher anyway ?

[Joel D]

and guess what i found out when i was tinkering with all that? that the MSI MAG251rx is 10bit+FRC(12 bit color depth) under HDMI connection @120hz

That is cool too. BUT quick sidenote question. Why in the world/how in the world is a HDMI connection able to do something a DisplayPort connection can't ? Doesn't DisplayPort give the ability to pass much more data/s hence is superior to HDMI ? Why wouldn't that same Easter egg you found here also work on the DisplayPort connection ?

[Joel D]

if u want to install the ICC profile, go that link i gave you, install it then go to display. Right click on your desktop and go to display settings-->advanced display settings-->display adapter properties-->color management-->DELETE that default icc and click add-->add the mag272 ICM profile.
2. You have to install an ICC profile(the one i gave is what i recommend)
4. you have to install the MSI MAG251rx gaming app on the msi website.

Yes I def want to and will do all you recommend and its greatly appreciated. I will just do this in order, slowly and surely. Which is why I am quoting parts of your instructions seperately and asking questions to them only first as thats the order I will do: CRU fix, then all MSI Website download stuff, then the backlight strobing / control my monitor thing... Then very last possibly the iDisplayPro & DisplayCAL for fine tuning tweaks of graphical non speed related stuff if you feel thats a good thing.

So the #2&4, and your link -

Even when logged into my account at MSI, I nowhere see any downloads, OSD Gaming apps, drivers, etc.. for the Mag251. So where is its "gaming app" ?
See this, and this is me logged in too ! And mine is registered:

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Now the link you gave me does has stuff to download, cool.. but my question is which do I download the "Driver" or the "Utility" or both ? As they both have files there to download - Its a little more there than "download, instal".. lol So please elaborate on this one.
See this:

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Thanks !

[sk1p]

Will you ever do a test with the 25f just to see if the 1ms response time difference will change your performance in rocket league on 240hz or are you sticking to ips?

I've already done it back in january of this year


but when it comes to the 25" predator input lag or the 24.5" MSi input lag, these omens aren't as snappy. I tested the 27" version, which is basically just as fast as the fastest TN (x25f). 2.1 and 2.3 response times are basically nothing. For a point of reference, these are the FASTEST of the FAST, the top 99%(if not the fastest). There maybe unreviewed TN that maybe faster but generally speaking, the OMENs consistently get ranked the best in basically every reviewer website(along with the acer nitro xv253q


the fastest TN has more input lag and it gets UGLY if you play at lower refresh rates. For example, the Alienware aw2521hf's input lag is generally consistent throughout its refresh rate range, Even on 60hz, the input lag is still low(240hz, it's almost as low as the acer clone). But when i had the omen x27, the input lag was unbearable (especially at 60hz). Even the fastest TN omen x25f, the input lag gets UGLY if the FPS is below 240hz(according to rtings).


unfortunately for the vg279qm owners, i ranked it LAST in input lag at 60hz. It was so horrendous, i didn't even want to use it for general computer activities like browsing the internet. But at 240hz-280hz, the input lag is excellent and snappy.

for console gaming, the viewsonic elite xg270, alienware aw2521hf and the msi mag251rx are excellent.

Agreed, I found that VG279QM faster than my previous Acer Nitro XF252QX in term of input lag. I am using VG279QM only in 240hz mode so as I understand changing to Acer xb253q gx will be bad idea )

[RLCSContender*]

1 You have to install cru and have the PC resolution as "NATIVE" instead of the UHD, HD, SD on nvidia control panel. Otherwise it will display on the GPU which adds input lag/blur instead of the monitor.

thank god for CRU. where i was able to switch the native resolution to PC instead of Ultra HD, HD, SD. Once I did this, it's now officially scaling on the DISPLAY instead of my GPU. The differences are subtle but noticeable.

step 1 download/install CRU (i have windows 10) so this is for windows

https://custom-resolution-utility.en.lo4d.com/windows

step 2 Open Cru.exe (DBL click on it)

step 3 uncheck ALL of the resolutions on the left side

step 4 click on DELETE ALL, then click on ADD, it will take you to a different screen.

step 5 TYPE In 240.000, then click Ok. Click OK then exit.

step 6. on NVIDIA control panel, go to resolution.1080p or 1920x1080 will show up "NATIVE" under PC resolutions and NOT on Ultra HD, HD, SD(TV resolutions). I tested this and i was shocked when at 120hz refresh on its native TV resolution, the input lag was slightly better than the intput lag at 1080p non native PC resolution at 240hz.

Nvidia control panel lies to you. even if you you set it as "display scaling" if it's NOT on its native resolution, it will just automatically do GPU scaling(added input lag).

Hi,

You have a good video tutorial here Force Display Scaling v2 - YouTube

Thanks for the more detailed help RLCS - Ok, so the guys video (which is excellent btw, thanks Gunta0 !) shows a little different instruction than the people on here are saying to do. Mainly the Nvidia Pixel Patcher thing. Also, he says to uninstall your monitor from the Nvidia Control panel and Windows System displays cache thing first too.

So RLCS, do you also recommend that ? What is Pixel Patcher anyway ?

nope u don't have to do all that to make 1080p as NATIVE under PC resolutions. Generally speaking, recent nvidia drivers are able to work with CRU. As long as the display is scaling(1080p resolution is NATIVE under PC resolutions) and not the GPU, that's good enough.

a lot of his advice are very good. That video in my opinion was way too long but it's a chock full of great information(especially playiing at lower resolutions without GPU scaling while keeping the better FPS).

[RLCSContender*]

if u want to install the ICC profile, go that link i gave you, install it then go to display. Right click on your desktop and go to display settings-->advanced display settings-->display adapter properties-->color management-->DELETE that default icc and click add-->add the mag272 ICM profile.
2. You have to install an ICC profile(the one i gave is what i recommend)
4. you have to install the MSI MAG251rx gaming app on the msi website.

Yes I def want to and will do all you recommend and its greatly appreciated. I will just do this in order, slowly and surely. Which is why I am quoting parts of your instructions seperately and asking questions to them only first as thats the order I will do: CRU fix, then all MSI Website download stuff, then the backlight strobing / control my monitor thing... Then very last possibly the iDisplayPro & DisplayCAL for fine tuning tweaks of graphical non speed related stuff if you feel thats a good thing.

So the #2&4, and your link -

Even when logged into my account at MSI, I nowhere see any downloads, OSD Gaming apps, drivers, etc.. for the Mag251. So where is its "gaming app" ?
See this, and this is me logged in too ! And mine is registered:
Screen1.jpg

Now the link you gave me does has stuff to download, cool.. but my question is which do I download the "Driver" or the "Utility" or both ? As they both have files there to download - Its a little more there than "download, instal".. lol So please elaborate on this one.
See this:
Screen2.jpg

Thanks !

the icc profile(ICM) is INSIDE the monitor driver download. The ICM profile is in that zipped folder, that's the only one you need. Once you right click and install it, go to display settings, display propeties, colors and add that ICM profile as your default color profile. the only thing you need to do afterwards is adjust the brightness level down to 30 for GENERAL computer use, or 90 if you intend to use it for gaming

for the GAMING OSD(gaming app) use this link. u dont' have to register

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/support/Opt ... wn-utility

select which operating system you are using(i'm using windows 10 at 64bit). Then the gaming OSD is available to download. Make sure you connect the USB cable that came with your monitor to be able to use it.

[Pazos]

What about the nitro VG252QX?!?

Look at the video against the Predator. No idea what they are talking about but the picture looks pretty good.

And in my country that monitor is available now for a very good price.

https://youtu.be/QlXCFhmz0L8

[rasmas]

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i killed TWO birds with ONE stone that day. Actually 3 birds (less input lag, less blurry screen, and 12 bit color depth)
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Just to be sure: the "less input lag" and the "less blurry screen" applies to both 120Hz and 240Hz, right? The only change would be 10bits at 240Hz, and 12bits at 120Hz, right? (i mean after creating the CRU resolution on both cases).

Is the 12 vs 10bits really noticeable being not "real" (8+2 or 10+2)?

[axaro1]

With my VG279QM and 240hz I see better motion clarity with OD 80, but in CS GO it feels like my bullets aren't counted sometimes, but with OD 60 the game is felt in proper way. With 280hz and OD 60 I feel input lag more than with 240hz and 60OD.

For me two options affordable: 240hz and 60 OD or 280hz and 80 OD.

Which one do you prefer? I'm starting to reconsider 240hz OD60, it somehow feels better than OD80 which seems way too aggressive.
I absolutely agree on OD80 being inconsistent and not detecting bullets, I don't know what's the cause, it should be the opposite.

In the Hardware Unboxed VG279QM they say that OD40 is better than OD60 but after testing in both Ufotest and Frog Pursuit I must say that it's the opposite on the VG259QM.
The ufotest at 240hz with OD60 has absolutely NO ghosting in the 2 out of 3 ufotests rows, only the darker background creates some minor blur behind the UFO but still much better than the alienware and very similar to the MAG251RX but trading the faint corona with faint blur.

OD80 is imo only viable at 280hz

This review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmsLXxyeyMg however says that OD40 looks better than OD60 on the VG259QM.