I bought XL2540 after reading review about it on RTINGS and input lag was horrendous, but they admit it has 3.7ms. After I exchanged XL2540 to AW2518HF which has 4-5ms according to some reviews, but I felt that AW2518HF is faster than XL 2540 in term of input latency. So after that I with suspicious read RTINGS reviews. I believe to TFTcentral, I bought XF252QX with 3.3ms accordind to TFT and YES it was faster then AW2518HF. Now I have VG279QM for several months and really happy with it in CS GO and agree with TFTcentral measurements(2.3ms), RLCScontender has 2.4ms, so I guess Acer really faster and give it a try. 1.7ms on RTINGS really weird in 280hz mode, because I feel myself that in 240hz mode input lagh is lower than in 280hz, I think their methodology is incorrect.. TFTcentral and RLCScontender measurements are right.axaro1 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 15:35You are probably not even 5% accurate.I used RTings's own statement on what they consider Native Resolution, it's written in the review![]()
With all the respect to RLCScontender I'd rather trust better sources such as RTings, TFTCentral, HA, pcmonitors and Aperture Grille.ItwasLuck wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 15:03I'll wait and see if we can get an input lag chart @120HZ from RLCScontender and I am 1000% sure it will prove my point that the Acers have the lowest input lag regardless if you are using BFI or VRR.
We are talking about input lag here, go through this thread, and do some research. The Acers have the LOWEST input lag. That is not something you can dispute. And no, that is not just at 60HZ but at 240HZ as well!
RLCScontender even did an input lag chart @240HZ and guess what the Acers did the best. I hope he agrees and does a chart at 120HZ so there will be no doubt about this any longer (even though there shouldn't be at this point).
Input Lag at Native Resolution & Optimal Refresh Rate (RLCScontender's table)
Acer Nitro XV273X - 1.6ms
Acer Predator XB253Q GX - 1.8ms
Acer Predator XB273 X - 2ms
ASUS VG279QM/VG259QM - 2.4ms
A difference of 0.8ms at their optimal refresh rate. Guess what? At a lower refresh rate, that difference INCREASES quite drastically. If the Acers perform the best at their native refresh rate and at 60HZ, then at ANY refresh rate they will still perform better than the ASUS.
He even did one at 60HZ but this is to prove his findings are accurate.
Input Lag @60HZ Human Benchmark By RLCScontender
Acer Nitro XV273X - 230ms
Acer Predator XB253Q GX - 230ms
Acer Predator XB273 X - 244ms
ASUS VG279QM/VG259QM - 278ms
0.8ms difference at optimal refresh rate and a 48ms difference at 60HZ, so at 120HZ you'd be look at something between 1ms and 48ms. I'd say 24ms is a fair number to settle on but I'll be waiting on RLCScontender to be 100% sure.
What is 100% certain however is that the Acer has the lowest input lag. And that is with "empirical evidence".
You are even using the RCLScontender's human benchmark aka he sits in front of the monitor and manually clicks when the red turns to green, it's literally a reaction time benchmark made by a person, is this your empirical evidence, is this some kind of joke?
I'm getting an aneurysm trying to understand your logic and your thought process.
let me reiterate, this is a misinformation fiesta
05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
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Please use links rather than copy pasting previous same-thread posts. I've edited your post to be a bit nicer.RLCScontender wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 00:53axaro, on page 22 i've already addressed that. But i will copy and paste it for you anyway.
Now... I take no further comment to the Internet's collective latency cesspool (See Latency Tests Are Like Snowflakes)
There are now over a thousand reviewers/YouTubers/bloggers/etc that do lag tests now, not counting end users like RLCScontender and others. Lag measurement methodologies vary so widely, that many of them are even worse than the partially-lag-disclosed RLCSContender lag tests. Many websites have even less latency-test disclosure. Many sites apparently do not don't tell you when the lag stopwatch starts, and when the lag stopwatch ends, nor exactly which part of the lag chain is being measured. Still, plenty of room for improvement (Although changes to lag tests will often make numbers no longer backward compatible for comparing to previous lag numbers). One person's lag numbers is not useful to another person's, e.g. Lag numbers for CS:GO can be completely useless for a console player, and vice-versa, because of a "Monitor-A-better-than-B" becomes "Monitor-B-better-than-A" happens so often with changes to variables in latency testing parameters.
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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Mine is the Acer Predator XB253Q GX so it's the 25" version that is G-SYNC compatible. I'd say, 99% of sRGB and 83% of DCI-P3 is definitely good enough for non-professional photo editing. If you are looking to photo edit professionally, I recommend the BenQ SW271 or the EIZO ColorEdge line of monitors.kofman13 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 23:58
Thank you so much for the help and your input. Two questions about color:
1. Is your Acer IPS like the 273 I’m getting or TN? The 99%sRGB, 75% adobe, 83% DCI-P3 your monitor got after calibration, if I get around there on my future monitor I’m getting, is that considered good enough for content consumption and enthusiast (non professional) photo/video editing? My current 2017 LG ultrWide is what I use to edit and It has apparently 99%srgb in the specs but doesn’t say anything about adobe or the other one. Never calibrated it though. (RLCSContender said the MSI has much bigger color gamut but so far the features of Acer are winning me over because in the end I’m getting a gaming monitor not a photo editing monitor)
That brings me to next question, calibration. So I’m looking into different ones. Does calibrating make a big difference? I would like to know my monitor is looking it’s best and truest to standards. especially since I will be using two monitors side by side daily, I should try to make them look identical color wise. What’s the difference between the “studio” one you have and the “pro” model of the calibrator you had? Worth double price? Also there is ones called like x rite “color monkey “ for much cheaper. Are those not good?
In RLCScontender's case, he got extremely lucky with his MSI panel and has 125% of sRGB I believe. I'm pretty sure I can get to 120%+ if I calibrate for longer but I will update you on that once I get the i1Display Pro. Think of it like this, he won the lotto with that panel, in most cases, the Acer will always outperform the MSI if you get an average panel.
Calibrating most definitely makes a difference, and since you have 2 monitors, I'd say it's a necessity. You would want both monitors to display similar colors and that can only be done by getting yourself a decent colorimeter.
The i1Display Studio is basically an updated version of the colormunki. It's funny you mention that I am returning my i1Display Studio for the Pro version. I highly recommend getting the Pro version and using DisplayCAL for calibration.
Reasons, as to get the Pro over the Studio, is mainly down to the updated film that it uses. The Pro will last much longer and will give you more consistent results for longer (some have used them for over a decade without issue). Another reason is that the Pro calibrates faster than the Studio. And, the price difference is only 60 bucks so I returned my Studio and will be receiving the Pro. Keep in mind the i1Display Pro is on sale for only $212 on Amazon.
The Acer pre-calibrated was still quite accurate in the sRGB mode but I can definitely tell the difference after it was calibrated. Watching movies is such a pleasant experience with the Acer.
Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
I am not going to comment on RTINGS, as I believe their measurements are 100% accurate if comparing different monitors from their site. Getting 1.7ms @ 280Hz is still surprising, but keep in mind that is 240Hz vs 280Hz.sk1p wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 08:32I bought XL2540 after reading review about it on RTINGS and input lag was horrendous, but they admit it has 3.7ms. After I exchanged XL2540 to AW2518HF which has 4-5ms according to some reviews, but I felt that AW2518HF is faster than XL 2540 in term of input latency. So after that I with suspicious read RTINGS reviews. I believe to TFTcentral, I bought XF252QX with 3.3ms accordind to TFT and YES it was faster then AW2518HF. Now I have VG279QM for several months and really happy with it in CS GO and agree with TFTcentral measurements(2.3ms), RLCScontender has 2.4ms, so I guess Acer really faster and give it a try. 1.7ms on RTINGS really weird in 280hz mode, because I feel myself that in 240hz mode input lagh is lower than in 280hz, I think their methodology is incorrect.. TFTcentral and RLCScontender measurements are right.
It is quite interesting that you find 240Hz to give you less lag than 280Hz and that is most likely due to the response time. Depending on what OD settings you went with, it is possible that the response time isn't fast enough to run fully compliant at 280Hz. But input lag is definitely less at 280Hz vs 240Hz. If you are not running ELMB, try setting OD @ 80 and give 280Hz another try.
The Acer is definitely faster (least input lag) and I believe it's worth trying out. As for whose measurements are correct? I believe they are all correct, they simply use different testing methodologies and it would be wrong to point fingers on a particular site just as Chief mentioned earlier.
It's possible you are confusing response time with input lag, these are the two most important factors in determining how snappy a monitor feels (apart from refresh rate). However, if you are gaming at sub-200 FPS, I definitely think the Acer will give you an edge.
Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
I calibrated my VG259QM and this is the result. It's much better than what was suggested in one of the Youtube reviews I posted earlier. I compared it to my older Asus Proart PA248 and they look pretty much identical. The monitor can also do 12 bit using HDMI at 144hz.
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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
You are definitely going to want to invest in an i1Display Pro down the line. It's the most trusted colorimeter and has been for over a decade now.The MSI doesn't NOT have the best colors, I'd say the Acers have the best colors. If you aren't doing any professional editing, you might get away with using the XB273X. However, calibration is extremely important so I'd definitely get the i1Display Pro. It's only 212 dollars on Amazon atm.kofman13 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 16:29Has anyone here posted good general color settings for the OSD for the XB273x? a colorimeter is probably not in my budget right now as i am doing studio upgrades already, a $999 88 key piano midi controller, $300 studio speakers, and now this monitor for $499 lmao.ItwasLuck wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 16:04No problem! Yes, they use different panels and the 27" has the edge due to the native G-SYNC module. From personal experience with my Acer XB253Q GX, I can say without a doubt you will love the VRB (BFI) on the Acer. No perceivable cross talk in my eyes and also no backlight bleed but you will have to check with your specific panel once you get it. Make sure to check for IPS glow, if it isn't noticeable in a dark setting, keep the monitor.kofman13 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 15:41ok thank you for clarifying, it was confusing what was difference between the two Acers besides screen size! i want the native g sync module, im gonna think about screen size a bit more and get the XB273 X this week. as it seems like people here all agree its the best for variety of games and refresh rates and can do nice blur reduction at 120hz and 144hz
I've calibrated my monitor as well and I am getting excellent colors and so should you. In terms of coverage, I got 99.4% of sRGB, 73.7% of Adobe RGB, and 82.2% of DCI-P3 (and that's only after an hour-long calibration, I'm sure with more time I should get slightly better results). I would stick to the sRGB mode if you aren't going to calibrate the monitor with a colorimeter.
I feel that the blur reduction is best on the Acers @120-144HZ. Especially since there is no inverse ghosting or overshoot at all. Regardless, you should have an excellent experience with whichever you go with. If you go with the 25", make sure you get the GX version as there is another version that only does 144HZ.
do you think the colors are good enough on the XB273x to do content creation? i edit videos on my 29 ultrawide LG from 2017 and its nothing special not calibrated, 99% sRGB apparently in the spacs
out of curiousity, whats the go-to colorimeter? down the road one day i should probably get one so i can stop worrying about colors on multiple monitors
edit2: does the MSI get "best colors? out of these top IPS gaming monitors?
Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Those are some good results. I would still do a re-calibration however seeing as you haven't hit 100% of sRGB, I got pretty close with 99.4%. I am picking up the i1Display Pro on Friday and I'll do a re-calibration as well, I am hoping to hit 90% of DCI-P3.Kryptik wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 17:06I calibrated my VG259QM and this is the result. It's much better than what was suggested in one of the Youtube reviews I posted earlier. I compared it to my older Asus Proart PA248 and they look pretty much identical. The monitor can also do 12 bit using HDMI at 144hz.
Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
im going to order the i1Display this weekend after you get it friday and test it out!!!ItwasLuck wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 18:07Those are some good results. I would still do a re-calibration however seeing as you haven't hit 100% of sRGB, I got pretty close with 99.4%. I am picking up the i1Display Pro on Friday and I'll do a re-calibration as well, I am hoping to hit 90% of DCI-P3.Kryptik wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 17:06I calibrated my VG259QM and this is the result. It's much better than what was suggested in one of the Youtube reviews I posted earlier. I compared it to my older Asus Proart PA248 and they look pretty much identical. The monitor can also do 12 bit using HDMI at 144hz.
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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
niceKryptik wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 17:06I calibrated my VG259QM and this is the result. It's much better than what was suggested in one of the Youtube reviews I posted earlier. I compared it to my older Asus Proart PA248 and they look pretty much identical. The monitor can also do 12 bit using HDMI at 144hz.
do you have an srgb color profile to camp the gamut to 99% srgb?
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Yeah in almost the same position as you, currently also running the Acer XB 271HU. but i play apex / overwatch but not in a tournament level like you do.Siye wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 04:26After reading all of this thread recently from start to finish i want to thank everyone for all the information provided, though i have some questions. Im here to buy a monitor and i need some advice. My 3 choices going off what iv seen from this thread are:-
- ASUS TUF VG259QM
- MSI MAG251RX
- Acer Predator XB253QGX
Im strictly a PC gamer, ill be playing Quake Live, Warzone and Fortnite. So just FPS shooters really.... Furthermore in Fortnite i can for the most part get over 200 FPS the majority of the time or close to it. However it warzone getting over 200 FPS constantly might be hard. I want the smoothest experience all around, id prefer to set it and leave it but if i had to change settings for warzone i could.
So i have some questions... If i use ELMB sync on the ASUS im worried it might be too dull to get an enjoyable experience. Though iv heard it can go upto 200nits brightness in ELMB mode and is much brighter than other monitors with ELMB, i have no experience to say if the dullness will steering me away from it. Also from what iv read 280 with OD 80 / regular ELMB is the best mode to go if your hitting over 200 FPS but below 200 FPS it suffers? Or at the very least impressive if you want the best motion clarity? Will i suffer if leave the mode on 280 hertz with OD 80 and change games and get only 170 FPS in warzone? Will i get any EXTRA input lag than i would with any of the other monitors? If i dont like ELMB on the ASUS does this make the ASUS the worst choice? Whats better between the MSI, ACER and ASUS strictly for FPS gaming without ELMB? (incase i dont want to use it). I have seen people say set the ASUS to 240 and OD 60 but isnt this counter-intuitive? Yes it might not overshoot atall but wont respone times suffer in that case compared to others or compared to 280@80? In games such as fortnite as mentioned i can hit over 200 FPS often and the words "peak proformance #1" look applealing but whats the reality and/or other variables? ... if it dips below say to 160 FPS and obviously most people get 1% Lows and FPS drops here and there, also for example rocket launchers or smoke grenades in many games can cause huge FPS drops so..... whats the adverse effects? Will it suffer more than another monitor? Is this only use ELMB that this is an issue below 200fps or will it act the same as any other monitor thats not constantly reaching its max refresh rate?
Currently on Amazon in the UK the only monitor in stock is the ASUS TUF VG259QM, Though the MSI seems to be a solid choice and maybe the acer which has been mentioned towards the end of this thread. Do i just buy it, is it good enough or do i wait it out and wait for stock of another which could take awhile? Im currently on a Acer Predator XB271HU @165hertz and have been using this for many years and its served me well.. I do acctually play competitively even won 200 dollars on fortnite a year ago in a tournament. However i know my hardware lets me down and its time for a change. Also i just bought the OMEN x27 and returned it in 2 days. The monitor looked disgusting, the viewing angles mainly. I just cant go to a TN panel after so long with this ISP.
Hoping one of you with the knowledge can point me in the right direction as im sure this thread was started to help the customer and not just to constantly debate speeds. Thanks for any advice. Cheers.
im deciding between
-ASUS TUF VG259QM
- MSI MAG251RX
- Acer XB 273X
im currently still waiting for a full review for VG 259QM and Acer XB 273X by @rlscontender. it should be out fairly soon though since he mentioned about a week- ish ago.here is the link if you want to see some comparison viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6666&start=490