Is it true Ryzen has higher input lag than Intel? Is there conclusive data to prove this?

[RamenRider]

It all matters. From bad windows scheduler to more physical distance between componentes within the cpu to +30ns ram latency (and +200< ns loaded ram latency sometimes (on w10)).

True but none of that matters if you can't even get rid of the (overlay)ing system implemented input lags from the OS's first! DWM's system wide vsync makes it almost impossible to feel any subtle differences in IL changes from stuff like ram timings, bios changes, or anything to do with frame time.

>I don't understand why you'd say all the input lag comes from dwm when you can literally disable dwm on w7-10, and the difference doesn't suddenly vanish.

Bro if it's so easy to disable it then show me a better way to do it than the tweak I found on my thread? Even registry tweaks can affect how DWM works on games. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168

[Happyalive]

On w7 you can LITERALLY disable dwm by chaning theme to windows basic, that's it, it's gone. Tons of people have disabled dwm on 8.1, it's a standard part of using that os. I don't care about 10, it's irrelevant to me and completely dogshit, but dwm can be disabled in 10 aswell (I've done it).

[RamenRider]

Lol, and he doesn't answer the question.

[deama]

Lol, and he doesn't answer the question.

You can make a script that disables dwm when you run a .bat file.
You could also use something like autohotkey and hotkey that script to a button on your keyboard/mouse.

The script works fine for me on windows 8.1 (sometimes I have to restart explorer.exe cause sometimes I get a black box at the top left, but that can be easily fixed by just adding a kill explorer.exe and then run explorer.exe).

disable dwm

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@echo off
echo suspend winlogon
pssuspend.exe winlogon.exe &cls

echo kill dwm
taskkill /IM dwm.exe /F &cls

enable dwm

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@echo off
echo unsuspend winlogon
pssuspend.exe -r winlogon.exe &cls

You'll need to download PSTools from microsoft, and drop pssuspend.exe and pskill.exe into your windows folder, and then run each of them once (double click) and accept a terms of service type thing, then you can use the script.

Donno how well this would work on win 10 though, haven't tried.
Oh and make sure you run them as admin.

[RamenRider]

You can make a script that disables dwm when you run a .bat file.
You could also use something like autohotkey and hotkey that script to a button on your keyboard/mouse.

The script works fine for me on windows 8.1 (sometimes I have to restart explorer.exe cause sometimes I get a black box at the top left, but that can be easily fixed by just adding a kill explorer.exe and then run explorer.exe).

You'll need to download PSTools from microsoft, and drop pssuspend.exe and pskill.exe into your windows folder, and then run each of them once (double click) and accept a terms of service type thing, then you can use the script.

Donno how well this would work on win 10 though, haven't tried.
Oh and make sure you run them as admin.

Before I try that, I want to compare it to the other methods I found. Now I've never used them before, I don't understand coding, so I've been afraid to try them. Which one do you think is best?

[*]This guy Chef Koch has a really good guide that's updated often.
https://github.com/CHEF-KOCH/GamingTwea ... -ltsc-2019

Within his guide, he recommends KillDwm. Anyone know how to use it?
https://github.com/Biswa96/Junkyard/blo ... /KillDwm.c

[*]There's u/aveyo on reddit who made this script that automatically updates all apps even new ones. He was the same one who made the pastebin script. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... mizations/

[*]Then there's DWM Force Switch. Keep in mind I haven't tried any of them. https://github.com/Phorofor/DWM.ForceSwitch

I did find this other general guide for removing stuttering from games. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... sible_fix/

Within that guide it provides a bat file that can disable DWM on all applications on your system. However it doesn't really do much because Disable Fullscreen Optimization has been broken since 1903. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... izations/

Lastly I found this method to disable DWM on certain applications. Much easier to do than the aforementioned tweaks. But I'm not sure if it worked or not. https://superuser.com/questions/1509013 ... ws-10-1903

So apparently Windows 10 does a shit ton of rendering on desktop, alt tabbing, and around applications, basically the entire OS as you are using it. The more rendering you can disable, the closer you come to perfection.
The Alt Tab fix you can find on my input lag post. It's another necessary change. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168

[deama]

You can make a script that disables dwm when you run a .bat file.
You could also use something like autohotkey and hotkey that script to a button on your keyboard/mouse.

The script works fine for me on windows 8.1 (sometimes I have to restart explorer.exe cause sometimes I get a black box at the top left, but that can be easily fixed by just adding a kill explorer.exe and then run explorer.exe).

You'll need to download PSTools from microsoft, and drop pssuspend.exe and pskill.exe into your windows folder, and then run each of them once (double click) and accept a terms of service type thing, then you can use the script.

Donno how well this would work on win 10 though, haven't tried.
Oh and make sure you run them as admin.

Before I try that, I want to compare it to the other methods I found. Now I've never used them before, I don't understand coding, so I've been afraid to try them. Which one do you think is best?

[*]This guy Chef Koch has a really good guide that's updated often.
https://github.com/CHEF-KOCH/GamingTwea ... -ltsc-2019

Within his guide, he recommends KillDwm. Anyone know how to use it?
https://github.com/Biswa96/Junkyard/blo ... /KillDwm.c

[*]There's u/aveyo on reddit who made this script that automatically updates all apps even new ones. He was the same one who made the pastebin script. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... mizations/

[*]Then there's DWM Force Switch. Keep in mind I haven't tried any of them. https://github.com/Phorofor/DWM.ForceSwitch

I did find this other general guide for removing stuttering from games. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... sible_fix/

Within that guide it provides a bat file that can disable DWM on all applications on your system. However it doesn't really do much because Disable Fullscreen Optimization has been broken since 1903. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comm ... izations/

Lastly I found this method to disable DWM on certain applications. Much easier to do than the aforementioned tweaks. But I'm not sure if it worked or not. https://superuser.com/questions/1509013 ... ws-10-1903

So apparently Windows 10 does a shit ton of rendering on desktop, alt tabbing, and around applications, basically the entire OS as you are using it. The more rendering you can disable, the closer you come to perfection.
The Alt Tab fix you can find on my input lag post. It's another necessary change. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168

My script is fairly simple compared to that. I actually wrote it about a week ago but changed my mind because restarting explorer.exe while the game is running sometimes screwed it up, but you might be fine.
There's a bunch of different ways of doing about it, they should all be the same performance wise cause they all do the same thing: disable the dwm; doing it another way won't give you +10fps, unless it disables other stuff including the dwm.
To me, some of those seem overkill, but I've never used windows 10, so I don't really know what it would involve to disable it, especially permanently.

You can try to disable it temporarily, manually, when you have the game open, and if that works fine you can then try to write a script for that.
So I guess just open up a game in windowed mode, and then use a common manual way to disable the dwm, e.g. suspend winlogon.exe, kill dwm.exe. Once you're done with your testing, unsuspend winlogon.exe to bring back dwm.

Oh and keep in mind, dx12 won't work without dwm, so don't try it with games that use dx12.

[orangetuner]

How does AMD's infinity fabric play into this? Can it close the gap? Because I want to build a new pc and this isnt the only forum where ive seen people say they feel less responsive on Ryzen.

[Happyalive]

Amds chiplet design (and by extension) infinity fabric are at the very core of their shit mouse input, no gap will be closed with chiplet. And thanks to amds "core printer go brrr" mentality (feeding redditards and tech yt shills) intel is being forced into entering a core count race, which is only viable when you're using chiplets (intels 11th series will be chiplet, and the death of good mouse input). Thanks amd fans, you've done a great service to the whole world by taking down evil intel, give yourselves a pat on the back.

[Brainlet]

How does AMD's infinity fabric play into this? Can it close the gap? Because I want to build a new pc and this isnt the only forum where ive seen people say they feel less responsive on Ryzen.

If you care about having the highest 0.1% lows and rawest mouse input possible in high fps games then you should only buy Intel.

[orangetuner]

Amds chiplet design (and by extension) infinity fabric are at the very core of their shit mouse input, no gap will be closed with chiplet. And thanks to amds "core printer go brrr" mentality (feeding redditards and tech yt shills) intel is being forced into entering a core count race, which is only viable when you're using chiplets (intels 11th series will be chiplet, and the death of good mouse input). Thanks amd fans, you've done a great service to the whole world by taking down evil intel, give yourselves a pat on the back.

Is this chiplet design aledy set in stone? Do you think Intel will be able to make these chiplets without loss to mouse input? If Intel has deeper pockets could the keep making their current type of cores along with the chiplet design?