Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

[mello]

3. I have an double conversion UPS that sends the main AC through a rectifier. This is the best possible UPS you can buy for solving A/C main power issues.

4. To speak to your car battery idea, we have already found something that works and proves this issue is present when having electrical continuity with the AC mains. Unplugging the online UPS will fix it entirely while on battery. When plugged back in all the problems are fully apparent within a minute or two. We have also confirmed that running our PCs off of a portable generator fixes everything.

These are actually very valuable clues, thanks for that. Have you (or any people on discord group) tried any of these things below ?

- 3-Phase Power Perfect Box (EMF Whole Home Dirty Electricity filtering solution)
- Schaffner 3-Phase Filters / 3-Phase + Neutral Line Filters

[Unixko]

3. I have an double conversion UPS that sends the main AC through a rectifier. This is the best possible UPS you can buy for solving A/C main power issues.

4. To speak to your car battery idea, we have already found something that works and proves this issue is present when having electrical continuity with the AC mains. Unplugging the online UPS will fix it entirely while on battery. When plugged back in all the problems are fully apparent within a minute or two. We have also confirmed that running our PCs off of a portable generator fixes everything.

These are actually very valuable clues, thanks for that. Have you (or any people on discord group) tried any of these things below ?

- 3-Phase Power Perfect Box (EMF Whole Home Dirty Electricity filtering solution)
- Schaffner 3-Phase Filters / 3-Phase + Neutral Line Filters

just 1500 dolars fix very nice

[dendu]

In case someone does feel positive improvement in mouse control from ferrites, bypass capacitors are one more tunable I came across for those handy with a soldering iron.

Adding too many or the wrong combination of caps can cause resonance or ringing where high frequencies can be trapped.

.1uf MKP and .001uf silver-mica on the USB headers felt good before improving grounding system, now they make mouse feel worse and have been removed.

For now, I settled on a .001uF ceramic(102M - blue) and 0.00001uF metallized polycarbonate(evox cmk 8049 - yellow) cap on the usb ports. In the mouse i added a 0.0001uF ceramic and 6.8uf tantalum. All caps are on +5v and gnd.



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I found for the USB headers, a phillips 100nf mkp and a wima mkp10 0.56uf works well.

[dendu]

If you watch their hand show during the cs game, you will notice that the so-called "legends" drive the mouse just like mid-level players. But their sharpness is much faster, which is why they win. And the problem is that very few people can see the different physics of the game with their eyes(people think that eSports players have lightning-fast hands, but as I said, the speed of their hands is the same as that of average players. The physics of the game deceives those who have it slower and they just don't know about it)

I noticed that some players including myself compensated for uncontrollable mouse and lack of sharpness by using really low sensitivity settings. But through improving what others recommend: debloating, disable power savings, tuning memory for latency, etc, it is possible to make the machine much more responsive where you can double your sensitivity and still have sharpness/control. However, those tuning recommendations/settings are easily overshadowed by the electrical problems described here that are plaguing many.

I repeat that evidence is needed so that scientists and engineers can deal with the problem. I would be happy to participate with them. I think that in the future computer components will be produced with protection from these interference in the form of special filters on the motherboard, processor, video card, etc. These are details.

Maybe they will find a way to embed the earthing of components somewhere on the motherboard itself. This is my main goal, since only engineers and scientists will be able to determine a 100% solution that can be tested by various programs or devices, and not just by feeling.

I agree with this line of thought as well, in the same way that motherboard manufacturers are targeting gamers with fancy capacitor banks, better traces, etc. Maybe they can find a way to design additional circuits to alleviate these problems.

[nuggify]

These are actually very valuable clues, thanks for that. Have you (or any people on discord group) tried any of these things below ?

- 3-Phase Power Perfect Box (EMF Whole Home Dirty Electricity filtering solution)
- Schaffner 3-Phase Filters / 3-Phase + Neutral Line Filters

That is the thing, I do not believe this problem is a result of EMF. I currently believe it is due to extremely high harmonic distortion. These are very different cause and affect mechanisms. Harmonic distortion will cause things like overheating and overloading in the neutral conductor, motors running beyond spec and the like.

And to the folks here that think hardware manufacturers can mitigate these problems through design (motherboard traces and the like) I absolutely do not think that is possible. The problem needs to be fixed at the source in my opinion.

[mello]

That is the thing, I do not believe this problem is a result of EMF. I currently believe it is due to extremely high harmonic distortion. These are very different cause and affect mechanisms. Harmonic distortion will cause things like overheating and overloading in the neutral conductor, motors running beyond spec and the like.

And to the folks here that think hardware manufacturers can mitigate these problems through design (motherboard traces and the like) I absolutely do not think that is possible. The problem needs to be fixed at the source in my opinion.

Both, "Power Perfect Box", and Schaffner filters (some specific ones) do provide harmonics filtration. "Power Perfect Box" does not specify what kind of harmonics are being filtered (you can test & return it in a 30-day window), but Schaffner filters often do, you just need to look into the datasheet of a specific filter. Schaffner has both passive and active harmonics filters, so if you believe that the cause is due to harmonic distortion, then you only need to identify it (what kind of harmonic distortion) and buy a specially designed filter for it. I do not believe that you can fix it in any other way, as most likely all the distortion is coming directly from outside of your home, from other homes / close by shops or facilities. A lot of different companies are providing active harmonic filters for different applications when meating power quality standards is absolutely required for the connected equipment. The only problem is the price range for AHF, which starts from around 1000$ and goes to ~8000$ depending on the filter.

[nuggify]

That is the thing, I do not believe this problem is a result of EMF. I currently believe it is due to extremely high harmonic distortion. These are very different cause and affect mechanisms. Harmonic distortion will cause things like overheating and overloading in the neutral conductor, motors running beyond spec and the like.

And to the folks here that think hardware manufacturers can mitigate these problems through design (motherboard traces and the like) I absolutely do not think that is possible. The problem needs to be fixed at the source in my opinion.

Both, "Power Perfect Box", and Schaffner filters (some specific ones) do provide harmonics filtration. "Power Perfect Box" does not specify what kind of harmonics are being filtered (you can test & return it in a 30-day window), but Schaffner filters often do, you just need to look into the datasheet of a specific filter. Schaffner has both passive and active harmonics filters, so if you believe that the cause is due to harmonic distortion, then you only need to identify it (what kind of harmonic distortion) and buy a specially designed filter for it. I do not believe that you can fix it in any other way, as most likely all the distortion is coming directly from outside of your home, from other homes / close by shops or facilities. A lot of different companies are providing active harmonic filters for different applications when meating power quality standards is absolutely required for the connected equipment. The only problem is the price range for AHF, which starts from around 1000$ and goes to ~8000$ depending on the filter.

Certainly something to explore and consider- thanks for pointing that out. That being said harmonics could be compromising our neutral (overloading it) and in such a case a device like this I doubt would suffice. Jack who has the power monitoring in his home found he is over 30% THD which is a ton of distortion. Not something an online UPS or filters can really fix.

[mello]

Certainly something to explore and consider- thanks for pointing that out. That being said harmonics could be compromising our neutral (overloading it) and in such a case a device like this I doubt would suffice. Jack who has the power monitoring in his home found he is over 30% THD which is a ton of distortion. Not something an online UPS or filters can really fix.

Hmm. In that case, wouldn't it make sense to build a temporary outlet near the distribution board with a dedicated single phase (nothing else on that phase except PC) and connect a separate neutral line and test it ? You could easily use long extension cord so you can reach your room where you have a PC and connect everything to it.

[nuggify]

Certainly something to explore and consider- thanks for pointing that out. That being said harmonics could be compromising our neutral (overloading it) and in such a case a device like this I doubt would suffice. Jack who has the power monitoring in his home found he is over 30% THD which is a ton of distortion. Not something an online UPS or filters can really fix.

Hmm. In that case, wouldn't it make sense to build a temporary outlet near the distribution board with a dedicated single phase (nothing else on that phase except PC) and connect a separate neutral line and test it ? You could easily use long extension cord so you can reach your room where you have a PC and connect everything to it.

Already tried a dedicated circuit as well as others with this problem. I know of someone that also tried oversized neutral conductors in their home and while it did have some positive benefit it was no solution. I think that this issue extends well beyond our homes and has to do with POCOs infrastructure, and presumably can not even be mitigated through oversized conductors etc. I would guess that this level over harmonic distortion (current not voltage) has to be corrected at the source. If it was voltage harmonic distortion my UPS would likely fix it I believe.

[Aizuked]

Ltt has recently posted a video on the topic of dirty power messing with onboard audio. They’ve most certainly not did it in many conditions, and might not even be facing the problem. But the thing is that they’ve featured a Pci-pcie card made by elfidelity(can be found easily on aliexpress) that in theory eliminates most of the dirty power our computers have. Upon googling their other products I’ve stumbled onto a usb pci card of theirs that they claim to do exactly the same. The important thing is that by using it you are sure that that exact one usb port is not under effects of dirty power. Somebody might want to check it out.
PS: I’ve been facing the same issue for quite a while now, haven't been able to fix it by any means and I've tried lots and lots of things. Unfortunately it still persists.
PPS: low sens compensation gang here