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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by Unixko » 15 Sep 2020, 04:28

Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:16
Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:17
Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:03
Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 02:40

ok sir but crucialnugg is here for more then 5 years with this problem and he trying to find core of this issue no just reduced this symptoms which is usually not working at all
Here is a link of all the Aulterra whole house usb/plug pictures I took and how I use some of those on my network/computer/back-ups/monitor/modem:
https://imgur.com/a/wpO9ciF

The best way to fix this issue in my humble opinion, is to get out of the city and find a safe spot to have the less wireless interference possible, and then filter the dirty electricity left if you still have some of those issues, & shield every cable!

Reminder too that your computer case is not a faraday cage (it should be), and there are wireless signal coming in making interference.
Like my define R5 has some plastic parts on some of the side, and where the air must go through!
Every part of where the air must go through should be placed aluminium grid on, and no more plastic part on side of the casing.
The pc casing standard should be redesigned as faraday cage before aesthetic and easily able to be grounded!
so you have all this filters everywhere and you still have this problem yes?
Yes, it became acceptable, but not perfect, I'll have to move out, it was literraly unplayable before all of this, that's why I spent 3000€ on those...
axaro1 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:42
Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:17
so you have all this filters everywhere and you still have this problem yes?
He is unironically getting scammed, 80$ for each USB from a company that sells anti-EMF supplements and "energy pillows".

The only thing missing is the tin foil hat, judging by the amount of usb he has I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually tied to that company and his job is to sell this shit.

AND IN FACT

He has 2080$ worth of that USB crap, I looked around on the site and there's some sort of "affiliate selling program", this is a fucking MLM:
The Standard Affiliate Program is for those interested in online marketing, driving retail purchasers to the Aulterra website and is FREE to join. Standard affiliates are focused on marketing to end consumers. In return for your marketing activities, Standard Affiliates receive 25% commission on all retail purchases of buyers you send to our site. You will be provided with a multitude of banners embedded with your link that you can place on sites and social media. With these tools, driving traffic and making commissions will be a simple process.
I wish he would open up one of these USB so we can all make a good laugh out of what's inside (assuming there's some sort of PCB :lol: )

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From the rules: No classified ads, no buy/sell/trade ads.

The last thing we need in this forum is shungite and energy pillows.
Did you try those usb key before saying it's scam?
The link I provided is devoid of affiliation, I just copy pasted the link after searching Aulterra.

Your post is pure defamation, you didn't try the USB key and say it's scam, and not only that you say I'm part of Aulterra affiliate selling program, without providing a link that show the link I provided is part of this program.

If the mods have issues with this, they can edit my post to remove the link to remove any doubt against me.

They work to attenuate the issues. IT'S A FACT.

Check the amazon product page of those keys, 80 ratings, 4 stars, you think it would have 4 stars if it was a scam.

If you live in a country where there is a right of return if you're not satisfied, I would suggest you to try, and return if you're not satisfied!
idk i have acceptable every day but its not enough i cant improve because of that are you happy with that ? and i just buy cat8 internet cable nothing more for improving my situation i buy some ferrite cores but it was much worse then better

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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by Mylliah » 15 Sep 2020, 04:38

Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:28
Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:16
Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:17
Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:03


Here is a link of all the Aulterra whole house usb/plug pictures I took and how I use some of those on my network/computer/back-ups/monitor/modem:
https://imgur.com/a/wpO9ciF

The best way to fix this issue in my humble opinion, is to get out of the city and find a safe spot to have the less wireless interference possible, and then filter the dirty electricity left if you still have some of those issues, & shield every cable!

Reminder too that your computer case is not a faraday cage (it should be), and there are wireless signal coming in making interference.
Like my define R5 has some plastic parts on some of the side, and where the air must go through!
Every part of where the air must go through should be placed aluminium grid on, and no more plastic part on side of the casing.
The pc casing standard should be redesigned as faraday cage before aesthetic and easily able to be grounded!
so you have all this filters everywhere and you still have this problem yes?
Yes, it became acceptable, but not perfect, I'll have to move out, it was literraly unplayable before all of this, that's why I spent 3000€ on those...
axaro1 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:42
Unixko wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 03:17
so you have all this filters everywhere and you still have this problem yes?
He is unironically getting scammed, 80$ for each USB from a company that sells anti-EMF supplements and "energy pillows".

The only thing missing is the tin foil hat, judging by the amount of usb he has I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually tied to that company and his job is to sell this shit.

AND IN FACT

He has 2080$ worth of that USB crap, I looked around on the site and there's some sort of "affiliate selling program", this is a fucking MLM:
The Standard Affiliate Program is for those interested in online marketing, driving retail purchasers to the Aulterra website and is FREE to join. Standard affiliates are focused on marketing to end consumers. In return for your marketing activities, Standard Affiliates receive 25% commission on all retail purchases of buyers you send to our site. You will be provided with a multitude of banners embedded with your link that you can place on sites and social media. With these tools, driving traffic and making commissions will be a simple process.
I wish he would open up one of these USB so we can all make a good laugh out of what's inside (assuming there's some sort of PCB :lol: )

̶[̶b̶]̶[̶s̶i̶z̶e̶=̶2̶0̶0̶]̶W̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶s̶?̶ ̶@̶C̶h̶i̶e̶f̶B̶l̶u̶r̶B̶u̶s̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶n̶ ̶M̶y̶l̶l̶i̶a̶h̶ ̶[̶/̶s̶i̶z̶e̶]̶[̶/̶b̶]̶

From the rules: No classified ads, no buy/sell/trade ads.

The last thing we need in this forum is shungite and energy pillows.
Did you try those usb key before saying it's scam?
The link I provided is devoid of affiliation, I just copy pasted the link after searching Aulterra.

Your post is pure defamation, you didn't try the USB key and say it's scam, and not only that you say I'm part of Aulterra affiliate selling program, without providing a link that show the link I provided is part of this program.

If the mods have issues with this, they can edit my post to remove the link to remove any doubt against me.

They work to attenuate the issues. IT'S A FACT.

Check the amazon product page of those keys, 80 ratings, 4 stars, you think it would have 4 stars if it was a scam.

If you live in a country where there is a right of return if you're not satisfied, I would suggest you to try, and return if you're not satisfied!
idk i have acceptable every day but its not enough i cant improve because of that are you happy with that ? and i just buy cat8 internet cable nothing more for improving my situation i buy some ferrite cores but it was much worse then better
I'm not happy with that, that's why I'm gonna move out when I'll be able!
nuggify wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:26
Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:16


Did you try those usb key before saying it's scam?
The link I provided is devoid of affiliation, I just copy pasted the link after searching Aulterra.

Your post is pure defamation, you didn't try the USB key and say it's scam, and not only that you say I'm part of Aulterra affiliate selling program, without providing a link that show the link I provided is part of this program.

If the mods have issues with this, they can edit my post to remove the link to remove any doubt against me.

They work to attenuate the issues. IT'S A FACT.

Check the amazon product page of those keys, 80 ratings, 4 stars, you think it would have 4 stars if it was a scam.

If you live in a country where there is a right of return if you're not satisfied, I would suggest you to try, and return if you're not satisfied!
And again you are assuming that everyone will have the same experience. However this is not a problem everywhere. Most people will never experience this issue at all. I do believe you when you say those devices attenuate the issue to a certain degree- I have seen it myself with power conditioners, UPS systems, ferrite and toroid cores, isolation transformers and many other things that affect the electrical harmonics of our AC power systems. The problem is none of this is a true fix because we haven't been tackling this issue at the source, or in the least directing our mitigation techniques in the right direction: harmonic distortion, NOT EMF.
I'm sorry but I think there's a misunderstanding, I agree with you about Harmonic Distortion, it's what I call Dirty Electricity in previous post.

I just think it's one factor, and the other factor is EMF/RFI. But might be not for all like you said, which I didn't express in previous post.
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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by axaro1 » 15 Sep 2020, 04:42

Mylliah wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:16
Did you try those usb key before saying it's scam?
The link I provided is devoid of affiliation, I just copy pasted the link after searching Aulterra.

Your post is pure defamation, you didn't try the USB key and say it's scam, and not only that you say I'm part of Aulterra affiliate selling program, without providing a link that show the link I provided is part of this program.

If the mods have issues with this, they can edit my post to remove the link to remove any doubt against me.

They work to attenuate the issues. IT'S A FACT.

Check the amazon product page of those keys, 80 ratings, 4 stars, you think it would have 4 stars if it was a scam.

If you live in a country where there is a right of return if you're not satisfied, I would suggest you to try, and return if you're not satisfied!
Open one of those USB and post a picture.
Are you seriously arguing that 80 ratings 4 stars is a proof of it working? Search shungite on Amazon there are fucking piramids made out of flint with 350 reviews and 4.5 stars.

Let us analyze the PCB, assuming that there is one, I personally wouldn't give a single $ to a company that promises anti-EMF products when selling energy pillows for the exact same price, but hey it's your money so feel free to get scammed.

Aulterra products use a propriety blend of highly paramagnetic earth minerals that emit a strong coherent frequency that ‘neutralize’ the incoherent manmade EMF’s emitting from electronics, wireless devices and WiFi signals, etc. EMF’s are a bi-product of the energy produced by various electronic devices and Wi-Fi signals. Aulterra EMF Neutralizing products change that ‘bi-product’ or manmade incoherent EMF wave into a coherent EMF wave making those EMF’s no longer harmful to biological DNA.


They are implying that the minerals somehow emit a destructive interference that neutralize EMF, you can make frequencies pass thru a crystal (like in the case of crystal oscillator, but you are in fact applying voltage to a quartz electrode, since quartz are diamagnetic they are not sensible to electromagnetic interference and completely neutral on this regard, quartz crystal are in fact used only for precise frequency regulation, so this will not be the case).
Uses no electricity.
So yeah there's probably some sort of stupid ferromagnet inside, how can you even read and counter the amount of EMF emitted without using electricity based instruments is beyond scientific comprehension, do yourself a favor and move your hard drives as far as you can from these usb you may end up getting data corruption.

Let me reiterate, post what's inside one of these USB.
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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by dervu » 15 Sep 2020, 11:06

nuggify wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:03
We should have more data soon, as a few more of us have purchased oscilloscopes to observe our AC sinewave and the THD.
Can you tell more about those devices? If you know of course. I am very curious
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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by nuggify » 15 Sep 2020, 14:49

dervu wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 11:06
nuggify wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 04:03
We should have more data soon, as a few more of us have purchased oscilloscopes to observe our AC sinewave and the THD.
Can you tell more about those devices? If you know of course. I am very curious
An oscilloscope is a tool that allows you to see how the voltage and current (sine waves) change over time. From this you can calculate things like THD (total harmonic distortion). The one a few of us have is the PICO 2205A with the ammeter clamp (for current).

Mylliah, I have measured the EMF in my home with a Trifield TF2. While the EMF is extremely low (2 milligauss) the problem is still entirely apparent so there is clearly no correlation with EMF. Furthermore its not useful to describe this problem via the term "dirty electricity". The reason being there are folks out there with extremely dirty electricity and it does not affect their PCs in this way. There is something in particular about our situations that is causing these issues and it is not simply the presence of a few transients on the power

In fact when I take my laptop on a boat (generator that creates fairly crude power) my laptop has none of the issues that my home does.

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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by 69moomoo » 21 Sep 2020, 15:11

Hey everyone, I've been dealing with this issue ever since I moved across the country to California a couple years ago. I don't have to list it all but I probably tried all the same crazy things you guys did. Of course nothing helped for more than a few moments.

I'm about to give up until I move to a new place but I wonder, has anyone tried to power up their pc and/or monitor with an inverter generator? I know it's a ridiculous solution but I really wouldn't mind using gasoline to play CSGO every once in a while. Unless someone tells me it's a stupid idea, I might go pick up a WEN 56200i generator and give it a shot this week.

Thoughts?!?

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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by RealNC » 21 Sep 2020, 15:50

This thread has gone from slightly cringy to complete crackpot :P
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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 21 Sep 2020, 17:36

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Re: Input lag and eSport. Every gamer should know this.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 22 Sep 2020, 15:01

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