House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

[andrelip]

I can't wait for the monitors with Reflex Latency Analyzer to come to Europe to test those types of "tweaks". So much bullshit is going to be refuted.

[heavywe]

Same experience with a ps3, in call of duty black ops 2, my bullets were lagging and stuttering, and when I was a spectator, the others' bullets were all fluid.

Currently that happens to me in cs go. And it's not an internet problem, since I changed my provider and it's still the same.

[jorimt]

Same experience with a ps3, in call of duty black ops 2, my bullets were lagging and stuttering, and when I was a spectator, the others' bullets were all fluid.

Currently that happens to me in cs go. And it's not an internet problem, since I changed my provider and it's still the same.

What you're experiencing is entirely possible within the netcode realm, regardless of your ISP, and is heavily dependent on factors such as the individual game's netcode implementation, whether the servers are p2p or dedicated, as well as what platform the game is running on (aka Xbox Live servers vs. PSN servers, etc).

For instance, spectator cams are rarely if ever an accurate depiction of what actually occurred on either your or their side.

Start with Battle(non)sense's Blur Buster's primer on the subject:
https://blurbusters.com/network-lag/

Also see Battle(non)sense's videos (playlist below) for more in-depth info on how netcode works (usually not well ):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... OT5sJ0vWy8

[kryztripleb]

I even believed it to be the game until I ran many tests playing other games on multiple devices and the same issues happen on all of them. It was hard to notice at first due not playing some of the games that the issues are worse on, and as I said some games such as COD MW are pretty smooth. Until I hopped on Fortnite I believed it to be the servers, until I went on my PS4. Then I started testing multiple games and each had the same issue, even mobile devices.

If it happens in the same games on every device, how does that rule out the games? Wouldn't it point further to the games?

I ask again, how are you determining what is and isn't normal? What is your point of reference? We need an established control group example of what should be happening, and you have yet to provide one for your particular situation.

As I've said, this happens in online/offline. I've recorded Fortnite, CSGO, OSRS & RS3 in the videos below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1n-5a ... nnel=Chris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqxZXd ... nnel=Chris

To give you an idea, this is what atypical stutter tends to look like:

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Your video examples aren't exhibiting atypical stutter, especially for online games. Add that with your "super weird things going on as massive desync, and 250fps feels like im playing on 30 fps" comment, and this leads me to conclude that you're instead primarily "feeling" the issue, which means (barring PUBG, which is known for performance issues) it has less to do with stutter, and much more to do with perceived input lag and delayed input reaction, be it buffer bloat, rubber banding, server lag, etc, which isn't going to be as easily depicted in videos or graphs.

You briefly mentioned you took your devices to another location, and things improved. Again, this first points to ISP issues. Ping and framerate don't tell the whole story in this respect. You could have an ISP package with high download and upload speeds and low ping, and still experience the issues you're describing, which, as you've noted, can be intermittent.

EMI is the nuclear option with no known permanent solution by even those that have pursued it (and I don't believe it is typically intermittent), so as I've been saying this entire time, you first want to consider if what your experiencing is in the norm (and then accept it), and if it isn't, whether it is something you can first address conventionally.

I get that 95% online that say they experience stuttering or fram espikes the issue is hardware or ISP related, or the game servers. Im telling you its neither. Look at the video below. This isn't game performance. This is seriously abnormal. At times if it's running incredibly bad, the desync is terrible, my mouse cuts off , I can be moving left/right and the mouse just stops and cuts out. And before you tell me "change your mouse" i've tried 4, and this occurs on multiple pc's ps4. When it's not running as bad as it does in times, the only thing that occurs are the major "stutters". It's never 100%. I don't know what causes it to be better and times. Im assuming it could be what's in/around my house. I have no other explanation.

As for ISP. I've tried 3 ISP's that were personally mine. Both insanely good internet, Fibre, 400+ upload/download etc. I've tested using data straight from my phone. I've used my neighbors unsecured network, and another neighbors network that I know the password too. So 5 ISP's total in my house. These happen on all of them. I highly doubt every single issue would occur every ISP the exact same way. But ISP isn't what's going this. ISP has nothing to do when im playing offline and these occur. So ISP is ruled out, so is game performance, and so is hardware.

I understand how it might be from your point of view looking at things, but I've tried to come to terms with it being "game performance" or "ISP" for awhile until I ran a shit ton of tests. I've already explained it. Everything that comes into my house these same issues occur, on almost every single game online/offline. It's not the game doing this.

I watched the video you sent me and it feels a bit like what my issue is but my "stutters" are not as hardcore. It feels like frame skipping mostly, frame spikes, or whatever. But at times it could be as long as the videos, but not frequently. It's the same issue that occurs on almost every game, some worse than others. Although that's just one issue that occurs the most. At times its worse and at times it's not. At times when it's running "smooth" im only getting these "stutters". When it's acting incredibly bad, I have massive desync, "Stutters", and my mouse can cut off moving/left to right (many mouses tested on muliple PC's online/offline). Not sure why it does that sometimes. But on most days, the "stutters" is only there, but it's never ever ever gone. That issue doesn't go away. That's why I assume it's EMI/RFI.

As i've showed you already, this is the 5th game that I've recorded and the issue is on all of them , showed you offline/online. We can do this all day with nearly every game I record. ISP/Hardware/Game Performance can be ruled out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UutMjnk ... nnel=Chris

[kryztripleb]

Same experience with a ps3, in call of duty black ops 2, my bullets were lagging and stuttering, and when I was a spectator, the others' bullets were all fluid.

Currently that happens to me in cs go. And it's not an internet problem, since I changed my provider and it's still the same.

Have you tried any other games other than CSGO/BO2?

If you have a console such as a PS4 and PC, do they have the same issues on the same games?

[kryztripleb]

1. in bios disable ssd power saving
2. install drivers for your ssd from official site or use Snappy driver installer
3. check with latencymon for storport.sys or whatever else is spiking a lot in pubg(its ssd )
4. check that you connected ssd in proper slot according to what your mobo manual suggests. also try different ports.
5. disable windows power saving and idle stuff for drives.

Thanks for recommendation.

I've done all this awhile back. Everything runs perfect on LatencyMon. I've tested NVMe drives, SSD and HD before going to Bestbuy and buying a brand new PC (For testing purposes, and return after) and the issue still occurred the exact same way. Even tried an entire different ISP, (both fibre, 400+ download/upload), used Data on my phone, Used 2 of my neighbors ISP's, Monitors, mice, cables, different rooms in my house, etc. It's not hardware related unfortunately. Also the same issue occurs on my PS4.

[TTT]

Do you connect directly to the router with an ethernet?

Have you run pingplotter graphs and BQM's to test your internet?

I get similar issues but I'm pretty sure its my internet, I have fibre but routed to the house its the old copper lines so its pretty shoddy, also I connect to the router with powerlines so my connection is all over the place.

[jorimt]

I've shared multiple technical explanations in this thread (as well as a highly reputable source on netcode: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7771&start=30#p60074), and you've discounted them all in haste and with very little reason.

Your expectations are off-the-charts, and it's evident by now that much of that is due to a lack of experience and familiarity with fundamental technical subjects that provide an understanding on the inherit failings and limitations of current-gen technology.

For those of us who are more acquainted with how all this works, all of these obnoxious (oft unavoidable) technological and infrastructural limitations are simply par for the course, and short of partial mitigation on the user-side, we're at the mercy of their originators, and any breakthroughs said originators make, iterate on, and implement over time.

Your latest and previous videos don't "show" anything abnormal, and everything you've shared thus far has pointed to entirely known per-game performance, netcode, and ISP issues, all of which can create problems that come and go.

As for you having tried cellular connections, those are even worse for online games, and if all the ISPs you've tried are running on cable, then those companies are all using the same infrastructure of your neighborhood, as is the neighbor's connection you tried, which doesn't rule out internet issues in your particular case at all.

Regarding EMI, you yourself have admitted you've tried the suggested solutions that have worked for others that claim they experience said issue, and none have solved yours.

If you refuse to accept the possibility that what you're seeing is within normal variance of imperfect game performance offline/online, and imperfect netcode/ISP performance online, and you truly think you're right about it being an interference or electrical issue in your particular house, and/or an infrastructure issues plaguing your entire area, your only viable option is to move.

[ko4]

To anyone unsure about the performance/stability of their PC and does not have access to a different pc / different house to test their setup, cloud gaming desktops are always an option to find out if your spikes are like Jorim says typical or atypical
A good one is shadow pc at about 14/month includes full remote access to a window PC with decent specs

[TTT]

or just book a hotel room for a night and take your PC with you.