05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[effjaysea]

Edit. Okay, I take back what I said and wi prove to everyone that I am the best rocket league player on the planet. Give me until 11/20/2020 to show everyone my esports career.

So I will definitely show it with pictures too.

Just give me a little bit of time to wrap up my other projects since ppl are co.plai ing that im taking too long(esp. The vg259qm review)

Stay warm everyone. Ive been so busy lately. Esp when my i9 10900k crushed the amd ryzen 5950x in every game.

Challenge accepted.

[fLayN]

MAG251RX ($479) or AW2521HF ($412)?
Hey guys, I'm too stupid to decide myself, could you help me please?
-my average framerate is 60-120 fps, not going to keep it 240+ (don't want 144 hz version because they all have SPEAKERS=dust collector, and I need only a true 8-bit panel so 24" 144hz IPS 1080p is not an option too)
-don't care about a stand because I have a monitor arm
-care about color quality to enjoy movies
-not hardcore gamer but care about response time to enjoy smoothness in computer games
-VERY SENSIBLE to input lag (I hate v-sync) means I'm not going to use freesync

Hello, my profil is similar to yours and I just ordered the MAG251RX for 399€ (477US$). I read a lot of articles and those are 2 very good monitors, the Alienware has better build quality but performances overall are better for the MSI. I'll have my monitor in few days, actually having a TN XL2420Z 144hz, I'll come back to give my opinion about it !

My final opinion : MAG251RX is a master piece 1080P240hz monitor. But the 240hz is maybe overkill. G-sync is really awesome feature, but I'm not sure seeing/feeling a difference between 144 and 240hz. I think I need to focus on my 240hz and then come back to my 144hz later to feel the difference. It's not that obvious.

Which is obvious is the Gsync and colors compared to my TN.

I'm hesitating refunding and getting a 27" 1440p165hz gsync monitor at this point. Some people say that the PPI is not worth the extra GPU charge compared to 24" 1080p, some people say it is. I'm kinda lost.

I think I'm going to keep the MAG251RX and order a 27"1440P165hz monitor in few months and make a final choice.

Hard decisions!

[abhyudaytiwari]

Amazon has just delivered me an XB253Q, I already have an XB252Q.

I've played a few games and checked it out for a few hours and it all seems good, no dead pixels or defects and the bleed is not bad at all.

But I've just noticed the ghosting while scrolling text is awful!

you were probably so used to the inverse ghosting from the xb252q provided to the poitn where you thought it was "part of the game"

My cousin has the 252q TN, and i didn't like all the unwanted LCD artifacts it had. Not to mention the pixel inversion artifacts that i easily see.

if you want better motion clarity with the least unwanted LCD artifacts, get the vg259qm. It's in my opinion the monitor with the overall best motion clarity(strobing on and off)

Hi Rlcs , i need to discuss something. I purchased a new aw2521hfl and something is up. You see, i had a samsung24cfg73 144hz earlier. However, it had severe smearing and trailing while flicking my mouse across the screen even with black frame insertion. The animations like quickswitching and reload in csgo smeared and i could makeout trailing (the deagle quickswitch while it is rotating in hand looked blurred and incomplete). When i stood still everything looked clear(except the animations i mentioned). Same issue in doom eternal and dark souls 3 that on moving the character , the objects and background textures blur out ,smeared and give a look of stetching if i move flick my mouse. My friends who had this monitor told me that they dont face such issue to such an extent so i thought mine is defective and tried a repair which failed. Then I went for aw2521hfl after a lot of resesrch and reading so as to not make any mistakes and when i encountered same motion blur, trailing in csgo , doom eternal amd dark souls 3 i couldnt believe it. The same mouse flicks across the screen and reload or quickswitch animations which i mentioned earlier were trailing , blurring , looking incomplete and smearing just exactly like 24cfg73 and when i stood still everything became clear. The problems basically copy pasted to the new monitor. This monitor is supposed to be way better than samsung cfg73. Then my mind started running. How can 2 completely different gaming panels have exact same issue on same animations and mouse flicks unless something else is wrong with my setup or drivers. After a lot of internet browsing I found a guide from sony about troubleshooting the entire setup if monitor image is defective even though its a different brand. It will basically help me rule out any faults in the setup that might be causing issue for both the monitors ina systematic order component wise. I am having a hard time believing that 2 gaming monitors specially alienware can have such a weak performance. Its literally comparable to TVs. I would appreciate your guidance in any form. Waiting for a reply.

[RLCSContender*]

MAG251RX ($479) or AW2521HF ($412)?
Hey guys, I'm too stupid to decide myself, could you help me please?
-my average framerate is 60-120 fps, not going to keep it 240+ (don't want 144 hz version because they all have SPEAKERS=dust collector, and I need only a true 8-bit panel so 24" 144hz IPS 1080p is not an option too)
-don't care about a stand because I have a monitor arm
-care about color quality to enjoy movies
-not hardcore gamer but care about response time to enjoy smoothness in computer games
-VERY SENSIBLE to input lag (I hate v-sync) means I'm not going to use freesync

Hello, my profil is similar to yours and I just ordered the MAG251RX for 399€ (477US$). I read a lot of articles and those are 2 very good monitors, the Alienware has better build quality but performances overall are better for the MSI. I'll have my monitor in few days, actually having a TN XL2420Z 144hz, I'll come back to give my opinion about it !

I'm back to give my opinion.

I actualy give back my MSI MAG251RX. It's a super monitor, the colors are beautiful, the darks are very nice, it's very responsive. And GOD i love G-sync, even if it's just compatible, its incredibly smooth and useful when frames are going crazy

On the other side, I'm not that impressed by 240hz compared to my 144hz.

After hours of gaming,i can confirm that 240hz is too much for me, i'm very happy with 144hz and it was not worth 400€ to switch from TN 144hz to IPS 240hz. I'm also not the gamer profil type anymore for 240hz. I do not play that much competitive anymore, I just thought that people saying that 240hz is overkill were the same people saying there are no differences between 60 and 144hz (yeah those still exists lol) But I must admit they were right, at least from my eyes (i'm getting old, I'm 30).

Also, very few games can really run at 240hz. And if you don't have 240fps, you better turn gsync on. I actually prefer stable 144hz native screen without g-sync than having 144-240fps with gsync on. But it's my personnal preference.

Not sure if placebo effect or not, but i feel like my 144hz TN has less ghosting too. (i think TN is unbeatable for that) colors and darks are shit but damn I still love my benQ XL2420z for that.

So I'm about to buy the Dell S2721DGFA (1440p165hz gsync compatible) for 330€, I'll get it in few months, but that's okay because RTX 3XXX are out of stock anyway.

i have RTX 3090 with an i9 10900k; virtually EVERY GAME that I play run at 240hz framerate(at high settings on 1080p). Even the almighty shadow of tomb raider(one of the highest graphical demanding games) i average roughly 250FPS.

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yes, it will be CPU bound; but an RTX 3090 and a fast samsung b-die ram will provide additional FPS as well. The i9 10900k is the fastest gaming CPU as of right now. The snakes on youtube ALL slithered away the moment i showed them this photo. (btw, most of those benchmarks on YT are bogus), i've proven them wrong time after time after time again. If you don't know how to deal with snakes, they will always control you.

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The MSI MAG251RX will crush any TN in motion clarity. Ghosting doesnt' matter if the framerate is at 240hz(i've explained this on my IN PRACTICE tests) AND the response time is below 4.17ms g2g. The only time response time MATTER is if the response time isn't fast enough to keep up relative to the refresh rate demands of the monitor(disclaimer, these were based off MY TESTS, so you can either believe ME or you can believe those snakes)

I've nicknamed my brand new oscilloscope "ANTI-VENOM".



***OFFICIAL Lenovo Legion y25-25 official review*** (pre- tldrlrt;)

Snakevenom(my oscilloscope) was a success. I was able to get the response time AND input lag with 99.9% accuracy (thanks to my engineering discord). Basically, after 5-6 months of trial and error, i've finally PERFECTED it with extreme accuracy.

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oh yeah, same photodiode. This is the photodiode that my professor always recommends when i was in engineering school in stanford..

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i have 3 oscilloscopes

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*COMING UP IN MY NEXT POST**
how I manage to crush the season 14 "CHUMP" with the lenovo legion y25-25 in grand finals of a solo tournament.

Blurbuster UFO GHOSTING TESTS 960 Pixel speed and 1920 pixel speed (in my opinion, the best overall tool used to determine the response time of a monitor relative to another monitor).

Legion COLORS
Legion response times and input lag data
Legion in practice tests

LEGION vs Odyssey G7 27"
Legion vs Odyssey g7 32"
Legion vs TN
Legion vs MSI MAG251RX
Legion vs Asus TUF VG259QM
Legion vs PG259QN 360hz
Legion vs Alienware AW2521H 360hz

[Chief Blur Buster]

This clearly shows that stopwatch-stop source is the screen -- good.
Question, what is your latency stopwatch-start source? That should be disclosed too for completeness.

GPU-to-photons latency usually requires a connection to the PC of some kind (e.g. PC-connected photodiode). Is your oscilloscope also PC connected, for your latency stopwatch? A latency stopwatch has a starting signal, and an ending signal. The beginning of the latency measurement, and the end of the latency measurement. This helps you measure different parts of the latency chain.

[Suibom]

Amazon has just delivered me an XB253Q, I already have an XB252Q.

I've played a few games and checked it out for a few hours and it all seems good, no dead pixels or defects and the bleed is not bad at all.

But I've just noticed the ghosting while scrolling text is awful!

you were probably so used to the inverse ghosting from the xb252q provided to the poitn where you thought it was "part of the game"

My cousin has the 252q TN, and i didn't like all the unwanted LCD artifacts it had. Not to mention the pixel inversion artifacts that i easily see.

if you want better motion clarity with the least unwanted LCD artifacts, get the vg259qm. It's in my opinion the monitor with the overall best motion clarity(strobing on and off)

Hi Rlcs , i need to discuss something. I purchased a new aw2521hfl and something is up. You see, i had a samsung24cfg73 144hz earlier. However, it had severe smearing and trailing while flicking my mouse across the screen even with black frame insertion. The animations like quickswitching and reload in csgo smeared and i could makeout trailing (the deagle quickswitch while it is rotating in hand looked blurred and incomplete). When i stood still everything looked clear(except the animations i mentioned). Same issue in doom eternal and dark souls 3 that on moving the character , the objects and background textures blur out ,smeared and give a look of stetching if i move flick my mouse. My friends who had this monitor told me that they dont face such issue to such an extent so i thought mine is defective and tried a repair which failed. Then I went for aw2521hfl after a lot of resesrch and reading so as to not make any mistakes and when i encountered same motion blur, trailing in csgo , doom eternal amd dark souls 3 i couldnt believe it. The same mouse flicks across the screen and reload or quickswitch animations which i mentioned earlier were trailing , blurring , looking incomplete and smearing just exactly like 24cfg73 and when i stood still everything became clear. The problems basically copy pasted to the new monitor. This monitor is supposed to be way better than samsung cfg73. Then my mind started running. How can 2 completely different gaming panels have exact same issue on same animations and mouse flicks unless something else is wrong with my setup or drivers. After a lot of internet browsing I found a guide from sony about troubleshooting the entire setup if monitor image is defective even though its a different brand. It will basically help me rule out any faults in the setup that might be causing issue for both the monitors ina systematic order component wise. I am having a hard time believing that 2 gaming monitors specially alienware can have such a weak performance. Its literally comparable to TVs. I would appreciate your guidance in any form. Waiting for a reply.

I think you answered your own question, of course the alienware would not have such a weak performance.

I own the Alienware aw2521hfl, and I have none of these problems that you mentioned.

I also own the Legion Y25 which i will be returning, as the Alienware is slightly superior. Delta E is marginally better on the Alienware and white balance of 6495 is almost perfect. The Y25 on my panel had problems with flickering, also, it had a slight yellow hue blotch around the mid centre of the screen. The monitor is relatively cheap so it's to be expected that the quality will vary. If you get one without those issues, then it's great value for money. Oh but also the OSD is abysmal.

I could not find any perceptible difference in performance in Rocket League, and the same was said when using UFO test.

[abhyudaytiwari]

Amazon has just delivered me an XB253Q, I already have an XB252Q.

I've played a few games and checked it out for a few hours and it all seems good, no dead pixels or defects and the bleed is not bad at all.

But I've just noticed the ghosting while scrolling text is awful!

you were probably so used to the inverse ghosting from the xb252q provided to the poitn where you thought it was "part of the game"

My cousin has the 252q TN, and i didn't like all the unwanted LCD artifacts it had. Not to mention the pixel inversion artifacts that i easily see.

if you want better motion clarity with the least unwanted LCD artifacts, get the vg259qm. It's in my opinion the monitor with the overall best motion clarity(strobing on and off)

Hi Rlcs , i need to discuss something. I purchased a new aw2521hfl and something is up. You see, i had a samsung24cfg73 144hz earlier. However, it had severe smearing and trailing while flicking my mouse across the screen even with black frame insertion. The animations like quickswitching and reload in csgo smeared and i could makeout trailing (the deagle quickswitch while it is rotating in hand looked blurred and incomplete). When i stood still everything looked clear(except the animations i mentioned). Same issue in doom eternal and dark souls 3 that on moving the character , the objects and background textures blur out ,smeared and give a look of stetching if i move flick my mouse. My friends who had this monitor told me that they dont face such issue to such an extent so i thought mine is defective and tried a repair which failed. Then I went for aw2521hfl after a lot of resesrch and reading so as to not make any mistakes and when i encountered same motion blur, trailing in csgo , doom eternal amd dark souls 3 i couldnt believe it. The same mouse flicks across the screen and reload or quickswitch animations which i mentioned earlier were trailing , blurring , looking incomplete and smearing just exactly like 24cfg73 and when i stood still everything became clear. The problems basically copy pasted to the new monitor. This monitor is supposed to be way better than samsung cfg73. Then my mind started running. How can 2 completely different gaming panels have exact same issue on same animations and mouse flicks unless something else is wrong with my setup or drivers. After a lot of internet browsing I found a guide from sony about troubleshooting the entire setup if monitor image is defective even though its a different brand. It will basically help me rule out any faults in the setup that might be causing issue for both the monitors ina systematic order component wise. I am having a hard time believing that 2 gaming monitors specially alienware can have such a weak performance. Its literally comparable to TVs. I would appreciate your guidance in any form. Waiting for a reply.

I think you answered your own question, of course the alienware would not have such a weak performance.

I own the Alienware aw2521hfl, and I have none of these problems that you mentioned.

I also own the Legion Y25 which i will be returning, as the Alienware is slightly superior. Delta E is marginally better on the Alienware and white balance of 6495 is almost perfect. The Y25 on my panel had problems with flickering, also, it had a slight yellow hue blotch around the mid centre of the screen. The monitor is relatively cheap so it's to be expected that the quality will vary. If you get one without those issues, then it's great value for money. Oh but also the OSD is abysmal.

I could not find any perceptible difference in performance in Rocket League, and the same was said when using UFO test.

Im glad you are enjoying smooth gameplay on ur panel. I am really depressed with what has now been a persisting issue despite changing monitors. Gonna try my monitor on a friends system and see the results there.

[fLayN]

@RLCS

Thank you for your comment. I edited my comment actualy but yeah, after few days on my 240hz, i went back to my 144hz and it now hurts my eyes. I can not give it back I love it too much. I'm just reading everywhere about this 1440p sweet spot thing and my eyes want to see that too. Do you have any opinion about 27" 1440p ? is it that better than 24" 1080p ?!?!

[rlrscontender]

Hi all, Looking for recommendation on a monitor upgrade.

I currently have Dell S2716DG 144hz and was planning on getting ASUS ROG Strix XG258Q but it is not available new anywhere that i've checked. except from Australia on ebay. I realize this is an IPS thread, but I am seeing many RL players in here, so I figured I'd give it a shot. I am looking for a 240hz, 360hz monitor with lowest input lag & latency. TN or IPS. Thank you.

[axaro1]

Ghosting doesnt' matter if the framerate is at 240hz(i've explained this on my IN PRACTICE tests) AND the response time is below 4.17ms g2g.

This is not true unless your eyes flickers 240 times each second precisely when the transition is completed before the beginning of the next one.

If one monitor needs 3.5ms of G2G to approximatively reach the target and another monitor needs 1.7ms G2G to reach the same target you'll clearly notice better motion clarity on the faster panel.
This is because watching a color transition for 83% of a refresh window will give you just 17% headroom to look at a decent approximated color transition compared to respectively 40%/60% on the 1.7ms G2G panel.

This is why 120hz on an OLED display looks better than 120hz on a LCD.