[Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Separate area for niche lag issues including unexpected causes and/or electromagnetic interference (ECC = retransmits = lag). Interference (EMI, EMF) of all kinds (wired, wireless, external, internal, environment, bad component) can cause error-correction latencies like a bad modem connection. Troubleshooting may require university degree. Your lag issue is likely not EMI. Please read this before entering sub-forum.
Forum rules
IMPORTANT:
This subforum is for advanced users only. This separate area is for niche or unexpected lag issues such as electromagnetic interference (EMI, EMF, electrical, radiofrequency, etc). Interference of all kinds (wired, wireless, external, internal, environment, bad component) can cause error-correction (ECC) latencies like a bad modem connection, except internally in a circuit. ECC = retransmits = lag. Troubleshooting may require university degree. Your lag issue is likely not EMI.
🠚 You Must Read This First Before Submit Post or Submit Reply
Locked
User avatar
Chief Blur Buster
Site Admin
Posts: 12059
Joined: 05 Dec 2013, 15:44
Location: Toronto / Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Contact:

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 31 Aug 2021, 14:06

For really nasty bad-electricty situations -- I get more success reports from more people from offgrid gaming PCs -- and be done with it.

e.g. solar generator or 1000-watt Jackery Power Station or one of those 1000 watt-hours LiFePo4 batteries, which can power an average gaming PC for about 3 hours full-blast completely cordlessly away from EMI-noisy power outlets in areas with very distorted sine waves & bad EMI. Use low-latency WiFi 6 to avoid any wires touching any walls, and use a good dedicated uncongested router. Then your gaming PC is completely offgrid and completely untethered to the world (including electricity).

Just make sure you use high quality inverters with true pure sine-wave AC, which can be much purer than your power company's power.

Most people's electricity isn't that bad to require that -- but there are ways to just simply cut the cord to the power socket if you're unlucky to have unusually nasty over-the-wire EMI that is hard to troubleshoot.

Expensive blunt-hammer solution, but it sidesteps hours of time wasted with UPS, power conditioners, computer repeat re-builds, etc.

Won't help you if you're living under a 500 kilovolt hydro transmission tower, since that over-the-air EMF is rather intense if you're nearby. It does crazy shit to a nearby computer even if you try to offgrid your computer. But offgridding the gaming PC will otherwise help universally for all possible over-the-wire EMI from the mains.

This ain't crazy conspiracy tin-foil hat shit -- this bad electricity stuff actually happens to less than 1% of gaming PCs -- but even 0.1% is still 1000 gaming PCs out of a million. Most lags are caused by network and Internet, this is relevant if you're also getting weird lags during offline play (from error correction latencies as a dominoe-effect of bad electricity).
Head of Blur Busters - BlurBusters.com | TestUFO.com | Follow @BlurBusters on: BlueSky | Twitter | Facebook

Image
Forum Rules wrote:  1. Rule #1: Be Nice. This is published forum rule #1. Even To Newbies & People You Disagree With!
  2. Please report rule violations If you see a post that violates forum rules, then report the post.
  3. ALWAYS respect indie testers here. See how indies are bootstrapping Blur Busters research!

Thatweirdinputlag
Posts: 334
Joined: 27 Aug 2021, 14:09

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 01 Sep 2021, 07:46

The Universe is Hostile to Computers - Veritasium

Check out the video on youtube, interesting to say the least..

Might have to move planets not apartments afterall!

zeebz
Posts: 6
Joined: 28 Jun 2021, 14:49

Re: I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by zeebz » 02 Sep 2021, 01:19

nuggify wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 20:56
….
Ignore the quote, just wanted to grab your attention. I saw you on a different forums talking about a discord with a bunch of people with similar symptoms to ours and was wondering if it is still a thing and if you could give me the link if so. It would make it less tedious to communicate on these issues if that is still an option, thanks!

nick4567
Posts: 118
Joined: 10 Mar 2019, 19:55

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by nick4567 » 02 Sep 2021, 02:16

Make 2 more replies and i can send u the invite through pm but u have to have 5 different replies to threads to be able to pm

zeebz
Posts: 6
Joined: 28 Jun 2021, 14:49

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by zeebz » 02 Sep 2021, 03:32

nick4567 wrote:
02 Sep 2021, 02:16
Make 2 more replies and i can send u the invite through pm but u have to have 5 different replies to threads to be able to pm
Ok

zeebz
Posts: 6
Joined: 28 Jun 2021, 14:49

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by zeebz » 02 Sep 2021, 03:32

nick4567 wrote:
02 Sep 2021, 02:16
Make 2 more replies and i can send u the invite through pm but u have to have 5 different replies to threads to be able to pm
Sounds good

BigDog7
Posts: 10
Joined: 09 Aug 2021, 19:07

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by BigDog7 » 02 Sep 2021, 17:51

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 14:06
For really nasty bad-electricty situations -- I get more success reports from more people from offgrid gaming PCs -- and be done with it.

e.g. solar generator or 1000-watt Jackery Power Station or one of those 1000 watt-hours LiFePo4 batteries, which can power an average gaming PC for about 3 hours full-blast completely cordlessly away from EMI-noisy power outlets in areas with very distorted sine waves & bad EMI. Use low-latency WiFi 6 to avoid any wires touching any walls, and use a good dedicated uncongested router. Then your gaming PC is completely offgrid and completely untethered to the world (including electricity).

Just make sure you use high quality inverters with true pure sine-wave AC, which can be much purer than your power company's power.

Most people's electricity isn't that bad to require that -- but there are ways to just simply cut the cord to the power socket if you're unlucky to have unusually nasty over-the-wire EMI that is hard to troubleshoot.

Expensive blunt-hammer solution, but it sidesteps hours of time wasted with UPS, power conditioners, computer repeat re-builds, etc.

Won't help you if you're living under a 500 kilovolt hydro transmission tower, since that over-the-air EMF is rather intense if you're nearby. It does crazy shit to a nearby computer even if you try to offgrid your computer. But offgridding the gaming PC will otherwise help universally for all possible over-the-wire EMI from the mains.

This ain't crazy conspiracy tin-foil hat shit -- this bad electricity stuff actually happens to less than 1% of gaming PCs -- but even 0.1% is still 1000 gaming PCs out of a million. Most lags are caused by network and Internet, this is relevant if you're also getting weird lags during offline play (from error correction latencies as a dominoe-effect of bad electricity).
This is the way to go

TeCkNiiQs
Posts: 7
Joined: 28 Aug 2021, 01:47

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by TeCkNiiQs » 02 Sep 2021, 21:30

Oh they have a discord channel for this? I would also like to join. Want to hear what others have to say.

User avatar
dervu
Posts: 378
Joined: 17 Apr 2020, 18:09

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by dervu » 03 Sep 2021, 03:17

If you live in apartment you are basically fu**** until someone comes up with solution, power company or neighbours depending on source of the issue decides to do something or you hire some power quality specialist who works for big companies.
Ryzen 7950X3D / MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio / ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS / 2x16GB DDR5@6000 G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB / Dell Alienware AW3225QF / Logitech G PRO X SUPERLIGHT / SkyPAD Glass 3.0 / Wooting 60HE / DT 700 PRO X || EMI Input lag issue survivor (source removed) 8-)

TeCkNiiQs
Posts: 7
Joined: 28 Aug 2021, 01:47

Re: [Power/EMI] I discover why sometime PC become fast and low input lag and otherwise feel high input lag

Post by TeCkNiiQs » 03 Sep 2021, 07:53

dervu wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 03:17
If you live in apartment you are basically fu**** until someone comes up with solution, power company or neighbours depending on source of the issue decides to do something or you hire some power quality specialist who works for big companies.
[/quote

Yeah I agree with this. There is just nothing we can do. But they have no problem taking our 💰. Hope one day they figure these issues people are having and care enough to fix it.

Locked