Comparison benq xl2546k, hp omen x25, acer nitro xv252qf,msi mag251rx

[IIISLIDEIII]

Asus XG27AQM is an amazing monitor! But it is too big for competitive play in my opinion

It has way less trailing than the NItro 390hz or any other 360hz model, but the image itself will have more blur, if you understand me. Imagine the UFO, with 360hz monitors it has awful trailing, but not on XG27AQM, wich has the Alien on the ufo less clear than the 360hz panels

thanks, absolutely too big for competitive, was in idea for second monitor.

Similar to you, I also found Acer Nitro to be very responsive input lag wise, but the pixel response time is miles behind.

You lost all credibility after this line. You are either exaggerating really heavily or you are delusional. Either way, it's much better to keep it objective rather than to get your emotions involved.

|||SLIDE||| do you use any aim trainer software? Usually that´s a good metric to evaluate with wich produts you should stick. Keep the monitor that made you get higher scores/accuracy

Are you buying a monitor for aim training or for gaming? You keep the monitor that you perform the best in the game you want to play.

xv252qf manages to keep up with a good tn on blur only with Mbr active on extreme, without mbr there is a difference

As for aim training, if you read what I wrote I said I haven't used it for a long time.

Now for CoD, counter strike or other slower games with fast TTK, maybe is not that crucial tbh

Yeah, COD is my main game at the moment. This is a really neat thread though. It highlights how some people prefer different things. When you said that the Acer couldn’t touch the best TN monitors, you must mean in terms of the percent of pixel transitions completed within the refresh interval. I understand that the clarity with super fast objects might even be worse on the Acer 390 Hz (as you have shown with specific UFO tests) but there certainly is something to be said about the extra refreshes too. After all, it response time was everything then every pro player would be using LG C1. Isn’t Apex bad after 190 FPS? What about Quake? You really need super high FPS to take advantage of the Acer.

But anyway, on COD I’m having great success with the Acer monitor. I already have so many nuclears in COD Vanguard, and that game just launched. I’ve been well within the top 1% in every COD game over the past decade and 0.1% in my favorite titles, so I know a lot about the game and how things should look. The biggest thing for me going to Acer 390 Hz was that I felt like my bad days simply disappeared. More than improving the top end of performance, it seemed to eliminate poor performance almost entirely. I genuinely don’t have any bad games anymore. Not sure if it’s related to the lower latency or not.

If and when better monitors come out, I’ll be happy to upgrade anyway. Unfortunately, I think we’re too far out from OLED or MicroLED high refresh rate displays that will fix the response time issues. Maybe something better will be out later in 2022. I’d be fine with getting a 480 Hz TN monitor alongside something like an RTX 4090 and Intel 13th gen CPU to push those frames. Basically, it’s just a waiting game now.

I guess you are using acer with mbr to the extreme, right?

[RestTarRr]

Have you seen the zowie without dyac? It's a blurry mess which is why it's always funny when streamers/pro players recommend this monitor even when they are playing without dyac. That isn't miles ahead of the acer and it really shows how little they know about what they are talking about or just that they are pushing the monitor because of their sponsors.

You have both monitors are you really telling us that unstrobed zowie feels better than unstrobed acer on games that keep over 390 fps and when you have a mouse over 1k hz?

[lizardpeter]

I guess you are using acer with mbr to the extreme, right?

No, I have MBR off. I plugged both my previous 240 Hz TN monitor and the Acer 390 Hz monitor in next to each other and ran tests (UFO test, Frog Pursuit, COD, Battlefront) and kept switching between the two. Under the absolute worst conditions it does seem like the TN has slightly less ghosting. However, in more realistic situations like in game and in Frog Pursuit (where pixel transitions are easier) there was a difference in favor of the Acer due to the higher refresh rate. On the scrolling test on this site where you can read the map and see the names of the streets, the Acer destroyed the 240 Hz TN monitor.

However, I’m sure the HP X25 is better than my old TN monitor.

[lizardpeter]

You have both monitors are you really telling us that unstrobed zowie feels better than unstrobed acer on games that keep over 390 fps and when you have a mouse over 1k hz?

Yeah, I do find that hard to believe considering the Zowie monitor has pretty bad response time and input lag for a 240 Hz monitor. I have heard good things about the HP X25 though, so I would find that more believable to be competing with the Acer.

Are you actually getting 390 FPS and using a mouse that has 8K Hz polling rate? I am with my 390 Hz monitor. Maybe that’s where the difference lies.

[IIISLIDEIII]

Have you seen the zowie without dyac? It's a blurry mess which is why it's always funny when streamers/pro players recommend this monitor even when they are playing without dyac. That isn't miles ahead of the acer and it really shows how little they know about what they are talking about or just that they are pushing the monitor because of their sponsors.

You have both monitors are you really telling us that unstrobed zowie feels better than unstrobed acer on games that keep over 390 fps and when you have a mouse over 1k hz?

given that using zowie without strobe is like having a Ferrari in the garage and not turning it on, currently it is the only strobe that works seriously, the others are there for beauty.

The situation is the following (obviously in my opinion):

acer with the strobe is difficult to comment because I find it unusable, if you put a strobe that works at 230 nits it is useless to me because to kill the enemies I have to see them and with 230 nits I do not see well, I have to strain the view as a 90 year old myopic while I'm playing, it doesn't make any sense.

In any case I have tried acer with strobe comparing it to zowie with dyac and the zowie is clearer, so even in case a person manages to play with 230 nits it is fair to know that zowie with dyac is not only clearer, but also a adequate brightness (350 nits with active dyac).

Let's move on to acer without strobe vs zowie without strobe both set to intermediate overdrive (which is what works best in both):


I'll surprise you, zowie is better in the games that I use where you travel around 220-250 fps, at 390 fps I have not tried because I do not play anything that allows me to get those fps, but what I can tell you is that based on the ufo tests, the blur that the acer manifests at 240hz remains more or less the same at 390.
Acer without strobe has less overshot but has more blur, translated into game it happens that the blur of the acer is more annoying (to me) than overshot of the zowie .

Moving on to the color and black adjustments comes another victory for zowie, which allows you to manipulate the image in a much more marked way than acer, finally on acer there is no sharpness adjustment.

[IIISLIDEIII]

I guess you are using acer with mbr to the extreme, right?

No, I have MBR off. I plugged both my previous 240 Hz TN monitor and the Acer 390 Hz monitor in next to each other and ran tests (UFO test, Frog Pursuit, COD, Battlefront) and kept switching between the two. Under the absolute worst conditions it does seem like the TN has slightly less ghosting. However, in more realistic situations like in game and in Frog Pursuit (where pixel transitions are easier) there was a difference in favor of the Acer due to the higher refresh rate. On the scrolling test on this site where you can read the map and see the names of the streets, the Acer destroyed the 240 Hz TN monitor.

However, I’m sure the HP X25 is better than my old TN monitor.

I can confirm that omen x25 is clearly clearer than both acer and zowie (without dyac)

[lizardpeter]

Can you try out the test I linked on the HP and Acer and let me know what you think? Maybe both with and without BFI. I’m more interested in your results without BFI, however.

https://www.testufo.com/persistence#ph ... aration=16

[SUOrange55]

So what's the best option right now for competitive BR games where you're usually hitting about 200fps with a mid-to-high-end rig (Warzone, Apex, etc.) but often have dips into the mid-100s?

For example, tracking aggressive movement up close in Warzone?

[lizardpeter]

So what's the best option right now for competitive BR games where you're usually hitting about 200fps with a mid-to-high-end rig (Warzone, Apex, etc.) but often have dips into the mid-100s?

For example, tracking aggressive movement up close in Warzone?

As I’ve said, COD is my main game. I would recommend the Acer XV252QF. Other people would recommend the HP X25. If you love Dyac, people would recommend the XL2546K. I have also seen a lot of good things about the HP X27 if you like 1440p. That thing has a very fast TN panel and is usually close to a chart topper for both input lag and response time. I’m surprised I don’t hear more people here talking about it. I guess a lot of us competitive players like 1080p 24” to 25”. The HP X27 is 1440p 27”.

Basically, this is what I would say.

Lowest input lag and highest refresh rate: Acer XV252QF

Best pixel response time while still having a relatively high refresh rate: HP X25

Best backlight strobing: Zowie XL2546K

Best response time and 4K: LG C1

1440p 27” option: HP X27

[Inco^]

acer with the strobe is difficult to comment because I find it unusable, if you put a strobe that works at 230 nits it is useless to me because to kill the enemies I have to see them and with 230 nits I do not see well, I have to strain the view as a 90 year old myopic while I'm playing, it doesn't make any sense.

Could you please switch MBR to Normal and come back and comment on the Acer's performance? I know you have done it, but it seems you keep coming back to testing MBR to Extreme.