would buying an old PC solve it?

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Mentucius
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Mentucius » 07 Jan 2023, 05:22

Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:02
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 04:59
It's not something in the human's perception, I wish it was. Buy an old lga775 pc, install winxp and you will be surprised how good everything is. Windows 7 with disabled composition is not even close to perfection of this os and how input-lagless it is. I blamed every single part in my pc, then i blamed my ISP and for some time I fell in the trap of these electrical nonsenses people tend to post for some time. After the inspiration @delve gave me I know that everything else you are doing is just a waste of time, it's something in the OS. I got no clue how deep it's burried but we must find if not a fix, at least a workaround.
yes you trick yourself everytime you change something its take time for you brain to realize that you lying to yourself
I just wish u could experience the input lag some users experience during a long time, and u will notice how stupid re u. Grow up and stop saying stupid words that don’t help anybody

Unixko
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Unixko » 07 Jan 2023, 05:25

Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:20
Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:02
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 04:59
It's not something in the human's perception, I wish it was. Buy an old lga775 pc, install winxp and you will be surprised how good everything is. Windows 7 with disabled composition is not even close to perfection of this os and how input-lagless it is. I blamed every single part in my pc, then i blamed my ISP and for some time I fell in the trap of these electrical nonsenses people tend to post for some time. After the inspiration @delve gave me I know that everything else you are doing is just a waste of time, it's something in the OS. I got no clue how deep it's burried but we must find if not a fix, at least a workaround.
yes you trick yourself everytime you change something its take time for you brain to realize that you lying to yourself
Fair enough, according to your theory I tricked myself twice, because after the first installation of winxp i went on 7 and 8.1 and then reinstalled xp back. How am I supposed to lie to myself after two reinstallations and inputlagless game sessions? Moreover how do you explain that there were fps drops on win7/8.1 but not even a 1fps drop on windows xp? How do you explain that in windows xp I could go to to 0.01 on snd_mixahead but on the newer versions everything below 0.05 was breaking the sound buffer? Things are not that simple, it's not human psychology, it's computer science that's involved.
you just start brother
you have no idea how long i am there with people around all about this nonsense infinite loop of excuses never ending story to just realize that is just simple test if you gonna cry forever or you stand up and push through
take this like a punish for your behave in real life that you learn that everything you can do is instant
now you need to do something what is hard and take some time to push through
gl my friend and dont go into this mysery direction thank you

Unixko
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Unixko » 07 Jan 2023, 05:27

Mentucius wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:22
Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:02
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 04:59
It's not something in the human's perception, I wish it was. Buy an old lga775 pc, install winxp and you will be surprised how good everything is. Windows 7 with disabled composition is not even close to perfection of this os and how input-lagless it is. I blamed every single part in my pc, then i blamed my ISP and for some time I fell in the trap of these electrical nonsenses people tend to post for some time. After the inspiration @delve gave me I know that everything else you are doing is just a waste of time, it's something in the OS. I got no clue how deep it's burried but we must find if not a fix, at least a workaround.
yes you trick yourself everytime you change something its take time for you brain to realize that you lying to yourself
I just wish u could experience the input lag some users experience during a long time, and u will notice how stupid re u. Grow up and stop saying stupid words that don’t help anybody
ye dont worry i know how is to swiming with mouse like when you are on fishing first movement fucked up end of movement fucked up cool story to teach me about that xD

Future
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Future » 07 Jan 2023, 05:40

Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:25
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:20
Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:02
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 04:59
It's not something in the human's perception, I wish it was. Buy an old lga775 pc, install winxp and you will be surprised how good everything is. Windows 7 with disabled composition is not even close to perfection of this os and how input-lagless it is. I blamed every single part in my pc, then i blamed my ISP and for some time I fell in the trap of these electrical nonsenses people tend to post for some time. After the inspiration @delve gave me I know that everything else you are doing is just a waste of time, it's something in the OS. I got no clue how deep it's burried but we must find if not a fix, at least a workaround.
yes you trick yourself everytime you change something its take time for you brain to realize that you lying to yourself
Fair enough, according to your theory I tricked myself twice, because after the first installation of winxp i went on 7 and 8.1 and then reinstalled xp back. How am I supposed to lie to myself after two reinstallations and inputlagless game sessions? Moreover how do you explain that there were fps drops on win7/8.1 but not even a 1fps drop on windows xp? How do you explain that in windows xp I could go to to 0.01 on snd_mixahead but on the newer versions everything below 0.05 was breaking the sound buffer? Things are not that simple, it's not human psychology, it's computer science that's involved.
you just start brother
you have no idea how long i am there with people around all about this nonsense infinite loop of excuses never ending story to just realize that is just simple test if you gonna cry forever or you stand up and push through
take this like a punish for your behave in real life that you learn that everything you can do is instant
now you need to do something what is hard and take some time to push through
gl my friend and dont go into this mysery direction thank you
Religious stuff ain't gonna help in fixing input lag problems, that's for sure. Also I think I've taken my punishment, even more than what I deserve for the bad things I've done in real life, also my problem started way before I've done them. As for the excuses, yeah, excuse me I'm trying to fix it, because it limits me in so many aspects of every game that I play and it's not my fault. And for the first time since so many bloody years I found what may be causing it which gives me hope.

I'm going to take the old pc today to test more stuff, I will report if I find something interesting.

FPSMaster
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by FPSMaster » 07 Jan 2023, 06:09

Buying old Hardware especially bad GPU, CPU will result in a massive Lag Increase, simply because you get less FPS, youre running on old Drivers and old Architecture. You will most likely run on 90-100% GPU/CPU usage which will cause additional lag on top of bad stutters and FPS!
And may I ask, why on earth do you think old Hardware would decrease lag?

Future
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Future » 07 Jan 2023, 08:47

FPSMaster wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 06:09
Buying old Hardware especially bad GPU, CPU will result in a massive Lag Increase, simply because you get less FPS, youre running on old Drivers and old Architecture. You will most likely run on 90-100% GPU/CPU usage which will cause additional lag on top of bad stutters and FPS!
And may I ask, why on earth do you think old Hardware would decrease lag?
Windows XP - great fps no input lag at all
Windows 7 and above - fps drops (not much but there are) with noticeable input lag even while moving mouse on desktop

The tested games are light enough to run on any hardware, 1.6 is even single core game, designed to run on Pentium 3 and Geforce MX400. Same hardware, same driver versions, same games, same settings, tested multiple times. I wrote it like hundred times, it's not the hardware that causes this, it's OS. I don't have any explanation why it happens... but it happens.

timetraveller
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by timetraveller » 07 Jan 2023, 09:53

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Unixko
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Unixko » 07 Jan 2023, 10:13

Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:40
Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:25
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:20
Unixko wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 05:02

yes you trick yourself everytime you change something its take time for you brain to realize that you lying to yourself
Fair enough, according to your theory I tricked myself twice, because after the first installation of winxp i went on 7 and 8.1 and then reinstalled xp back. How am I supposed to lie to myself after two reinstallations and inputlagless game sessions? Moreover how do you explain that there were fps drops on win7/8.1 but not even a 1fps drop on windows xp? How do you explain that in windows xp I could go to to 0.01 on snd_mixahead but on the newer versions everything below 0.05 was breaking the sound buffer? Things are not that simple, it's not human psychology, it's computer science that's involved.
you just start brother
you have no idea how long i am there with people around all about this nonsense infinite loop of excuses never ending story to just realize that is just simple test if you gonna cry forever or you stand up and push through
take this like a punish for your behave in real life that you learn that everything you can do is instant
now you need to do something what is hard and take some time to push through
gl my friend and dont go into this mysery direction thank you
Religious stuff ain't gonna help in fixing input lag problems, that's for sure. Also I think I've taken my punishment, even more than what I deserve for the bad things I've done in real life, also my problem started way before I've done them. As for the excuses, yeah, excuse me I'm trying to fix it, because it limits me in so many aspects of every game that I play and it's not my fault. And for the first time since so many bloody years I found what may be causing it which gives me hope.

I'm going to take the old pc today to test more stuff, I will report if I find something interesting.
stop wasting your time with random shits put hard work to alrdy something which you know you can do there is no magical fix which fix your insecurity fear and doubts
only 1 person which you need to prove something is you
doesnt matter how bad it is work only 1 way how to get from this problem is going through

FPSMaster
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by FPSMaster » 07 Jan 2023, 10:16

Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 08:47
FPSMaster wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 06:09
Buying old Hardware especially bad GPU, CPU will result in a massive Lag Increase, simply because you get less FPS, youre running on old Drivers and old Architecture. You will most likely run on 90-100% GPU/CPU usage which will cause additional lag on top of bad stutters and FPS!
And may I ask, why on earth do you think old Hardware would decrease lag?
Windows XP - great fps no input lag at all
Windows 7 and above - fps drops (not much but there are) with noticeable input lag even while moving mouse on desktop

The tested games are light enough to run on any hardware, 1.6 is even single core game, designed to run on Pentium 3 and Geforce MX400. Same hardware, same driver versions, same games, same settings, tested multiple times. I wrote it like hundred times, it's not the hardware that causes this, it's OS. I don't have any explanation why it happens... but it happens.
Never talked about OS, and youre blind for thinking OS is causing 100% of all the lag. Clearly, you dont have any knowledge about Lag and what causes it. There is a clear defined System Latency chain posted multiple times by AMD and Nvidia themself. Show me one benchmark with 200+ FPS on a 2 Core pentium CPU and something like a Nvidia GT1030.

Future
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Re: would buying an old PC solve it?

Post by Future » 07 Jan 2023, 10:44

FPSMaster wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 10:16
Future wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 08:47
FPSMaster wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 06:09
Buying old Hardware especially bad GPU, CPU will result in a massive Lag Increase, simply because you get less FPS, youre running on old Drivers and old Architecture. You will most likely run on 90-100% GPU/CPU usage which will cause additional lag on top of bad stutters and FPS!
And may I ask, why on earth do you think old Hardware would decrease lag?
Windows XP - great fps no input lag at all
Windows 7 and above - fps drops (not much but there are) with noticeable input lag even while moving mouse on desktop

The tested games are light enough to run on any hardware, 1.6 is even single core game, designed to run on Pentium 3 and Geforce MX400. Same hardware, same driver versions, same games, same settings, tested multiple times. I wrote it like hundred times, it's not the hardware that causes this, it's OS. I don't have any explanation why it happens... but it happens.
Never talked about OS, and youre blind for thinking OS is causing 100% of all the lag. Clearly, you dont have any knowledge about Lag and what causes it. There is a clear defined System Latency chain posted multiple times by AMD and Nvidia themself. Show me one benchmark with 200+ FPS on a 2 Core pentium CPU and something like a Nvidia GT1030.
One more time so hopefully you will get it this time, read slowly - same hardware, same games, same game configs, same driver versions, for the "electricityguys" same outlet. One difference - OS. So Mr. Iknoweverythingaboutlag, please tell me what causes it? What benchmark are you talking about when in these old games if you uncap your fps you are going to hit the fps limit with any modern hardware, but you still have input lag? Do you have any idea at all what we are talking about here? Clearly, you don't.

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