How I fixed my input lag

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sndhck
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How I fixed my input lag

Post by sndhck » 18 Sep 2023, 01:16

Hi. I would like to share with you how I defeated my input lag. I have been suffering from this problem for many years. In the last 2 years my mouse movements have become more or less fine. But still it was not up to the level of what it was about 10 years ago for example.
Yesterday I bought a DAC topping dx3 pro+. My thoughts were why not try to connect headphones through external power and through an optical connector S/PDIF which is less prone to interference, and finally set the volume to 100 in windows, and adjust it with the DAC. I listened to music all day, tried different filters (pcm filters, low pass filters, you can check in google "topping dx3 pro+ filters what it is and how generated wave look). And at the end of the day I went in to try gaming sound. At that moment I set 4th filter (slow roll off minimum) and sound frequency 44100/24. If before I could characterize my aim as 3/5, then it became 4/5. I was already happy that it was better. But! I decided to try other filters to see if the width of the soundstage changes for the better. And with every filter my in-game aim became different, not for the better. Then I tried first filter (brick-wall). And it become perfect - 5/5. Just like in old days. I'm so happy right now.
Many modern audio devices already use oversampling filters because it's cheap. Maybe we need NOS (non oversampling) sound cards/DAC or like in my case brick-wall filter which is considered as perfect digital filter. I understand that there are a lot of things that can cause input lag. But maybe my information will be a lifesaver for someone. At least it worth to try.

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by spkii » 18 Sep 2023, 03:01

sndhck wrote:
18 Sep 2023, 01:16
Hi. I would like to share with you how I defeated my input lag. I have been suffering from this problem for many years. In the last 2 years my mouse movements have become more or less fine. But still it was not up to the level of what it was about 10 years ago for example.
Yesterday I bought a DAC topping dx3 pro+. My thoughts were why not try to connect headphones through external power and through an optical connector S/PDIF which is less prone to interference, and finally set the volume to 100 in windows, and adjust it with the DAC. I listened to music all day, tried different filters (pcm filters, low pass filters, you can check in google "topping dx3 pro+ filters what it is and how generated wave look). And at the end of the day I went in to try gaming sound. At that moment I set 4th filter (slow roll off minimum) and sound frequency 44100/24. If before I could characterize my aim as 3/5, then it became 4/5. I was already happy that it was better. But! I decided to try other filters to see if the width of the soundstage changes for the better. And with every filter my in-game aim became different, not for the better. Then I tried first filter (brick-wall). And it become perfect - 5/5. Just like in old days. I'm so happy right now.
Many modern audio devices already use oversampling filters because it's cheap. Maybe we need NOS (non oversampling) sound cards/DAC or like in my case brick-wall filter which is considered as perfect digital filter. I understand that there are a lot of things that can cause input lag. But maybe my information will be a lifesaver for someone. At least it worth to try.
You mean this? https://www.amazon.es/Topping-Amplifica ... hdGY&psc=1

And whats are your connections with the computer or the headphones with it? Thanks man!

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by sndhck » 18 Sep 2023, 03:55

spkii wrote:
18 Sep 2023, 03:01
You mean this? https://www.amazon.es/Topping-Amplifica ... hdGY&psc=1
And whats are your connections with the computer or the headphones with it? Thanks man!
Yes. That one. I use PC with onboard audiocard alc1220<-->S/PDIF<-->DAC topping dx3 pro+

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by spkii » 18 Sep 2023, 05:26

sndhck wrote:
18 Sep 2023, 03:55
[quote=spkii post_id=97583 time=<a href="tel:1695024096">1695024096</a> user_id=9365]
You mean this? https://www.amazon.es/Topping-Amplifica ... hdGY&psc=1
And whats are your connections with the computer or the headphones with it? Thanks man!
Yes. That one. I use PC with onboard audiocard alc1220<-->S/PDIF<-->DAC topping dx3 pro+
[/quote]

So you Connect directly to your MOBO this type https://www.amazon.es/AmazonBasics-Cabl ... YXRm&psc=1 and then to the DAC topping, but where you Connect the headphones? Directly to the DAC?

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by sndhck » 18 Sep 2023, 07:15

spkii wrote:
18 Sep 2023, 05:26
but where you Connect the headphones? Directly to the DAC?
ofc to the DAC. It has 3.5mm jack on front panel with amp. Sound signal bypass your mobo soundcard to the DAC.

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by Slender » 18 Sep 2023, 11:51

write your pc spec

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by heavywe » 18 Sep 2023, 12:53

I will never forget that there was a time when in cs:go where the sound of domination in deathmatch took away 100% of the input lag. I never found an explanation for that, but when I killed someone many times in a row, it played that sound that lasted seconds, and in those seconds I used to kill people with a facility that I could never have again.

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by KingAzar » 18 Sep 2023, 13:02

I'm assuming your microphone is still directly plugged into your motherboard (Realtek Mic In)?

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by SachsenPowl » 18 Sep 2023, 14:50

I am not very confident in audio but is there a way to use brick wall filtering at a Software-Level without a DAC? Maybe foobar from GitHub or any other program?
I only have a HyperX Cloud 2 "DAC".
Are there any findings if the same benefit can achieved by tuning the khz and bitrate at sound settings, I know there are much people that say that 16-bit, 44100 Hz is enough and reduces latency - but a few years ago I have read an article about that it is much better to raise to max bitrate and freq. But I cannot find it...

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Re: How I fixed my input lag

Post by Slender » 18 Sep 2023, 17:29

if your audio realtek comes from usb, you feel only difference in driver (topping driver / realtek usb driver), you say you set 44.1/24, but if you cant set 16bit on topping you just need to install topping driver. I think this not about filter, if you unplug your dac while game your 99.9% cant feel any diff.

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