Attention: Reminder of "Be Nice to Users" Rules
With all the useful contributions also comes a bit of heated discorse/debate. Words are subject to interpretation and I prefer to nuance words, I'll intervene for the sake of peace. I try to be a good moderator to put some sense into what people are saying. So...
We agree forums are never perfect and Blur Busters tries its goddamndest best to keep reasonable forum discourse. We're not the twitterverse here. We don't want polarizing "PC vs Mac" or "Android vs iPhone" type war between Monitor X and Y or Panel X and Y. Be fair.
RLCScontender wrote: ↑24 Mar 2020, 16:21
you must be new to motion blur technology but majority of motion blur technology locks the overdrive settings. In this case it's overdrive 4 when ELMB sync is on. You won't even notice the overshoot if you play at a higher framerate, and even if you did, the tradeoff by having better motion clarity is much better. With the advent of newer graphics cards coming out, it's not hard getting over 100 FPS even on AAA titles. so unless you have the budget to have a stronger GPU, then i don't recommend getting this monitor.
RLCScontender wrote: ↑03 Apr 2020, 22:40
Part 2, The bad
ELMB-Sync. The VG279aq has better implementation of the ELMB sync. For the XG279q, 2/3 of your screen is BLURRY and has massive blur and rosstalk.
Only 1/3 of your screen is GOOD and that is unfortunate. I actually deranked from top 100 to top 1000 just because of ELMB-SYNC.
The top half of my monitor was extremely blurry and i whiffed EVERYTHIING The only good part is the
bottom 1/3(for my monitor). ELMB Sync only works on certain quadrants of your monitor unfortunately. And like I said above, the bottom 1/3(for my monitor at least) is only good at framerates above 140hz. The implementation of ELMB-SYNC is VERY POOR, and they should've changed it to overdrive 3 to make it tolerable at lower framerates.
What we all know and generally agree on average:
- The quality of ELMB-SYNC varies between different ELMB-SYNC monitors.
- ELMB-SYNC is better at high frame rates, has more problems with low frame rates
- ELMB-SYNC is a good way to lower fps=Hz strobe lag (capped ELMB-SYNC is better than VSYNC ON ELMB)
The additional factors apply:
- Different people notice problems differently
- Different people eye-track differently
- Center of screen is the most important screen region to worry about (crosshairs area)
- Some people have good peripheral vision, others have poorer peripheral vision
- Different games will have different eye-gaze and eye-tracking habits that may amplify/reduce issues
- Pickiness of strobe crosstalk (essentially strobe-chopped ghosting/coronas) varies hugely between people
- Real-world ghosting/coronas varies on material and settings.
A new curveball:
- Reducing contrast ratio slightly (raising blacks above perfect black, raising whites below perfect white) can also make strobe crosstalk mostly disappear on some monitors. Different people have different picture and gamma settings, so do-not-assume your ghosting/coronas is the same as the next person's. So it is useless to make edicts about that (it becomes accidential flamebait)
- Always give fair disclosure
- Etc, etc, etc.
RLCScontender wrote: ↑24 Mar 2020, 16:21
Weird, i own the XG279q and i have zero issues when ELMB-Sync is on. When i use the UFO tests, i dont' really see much of a difference in zones particularly at the overclocked refersh rates.
A new tip -- sometimes strobe crosstalk improves if you adjust your NVIDIA Control Panel's brightness/contrast around slightly. It varies from monitor to monitor. The act of lifting blacks above fullblack, and whites below fullwhite, sometimes gives you more overdrive overshoot room (below black, above white) to neutralize ghosting and coronas. It does not help all monitors, but sometimes approximately 50% to 90% of strobe crosstalk disappears from some models of monitors.
The moral of the story is the random accidential picture settings of different individuals sometimes creates big differences in ghosting/coronas/crosstalk between different people's picture settings.
Dmoney405 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 15:43
How do you explain your multiple polarizing views in a short time? Does your opinion change
depending on the substance you are abusing for the day? There is no reasonable excuse for a discrepancy of your own opinion this large. This isn't even the only example. Let's move on to another;
Moderation Note to Dmoney405
While I agree RLSContender has often been polarizing, that phrase is beyond our
Be Nice To Users rule. My reread suggests it is a "seeing overdrive in a test" versus "not noticing overdrive in a real-world game" as a disreprecancy-explainer. But I have to remind that everyone sees differently, and notices overdrive issues differently.
I ask all to temper their individual "best monitor" claims given the complex factors (GtG complex, human vision complexities, measurement complexities, differences between different units of the same model of monitor for any reason even as simple as adjustments).
Moderation Note to RLSContender
While it is true that "seeing overdrive" versus "noticing overdrive in a specific game" are two different things (apples vs oranges), and varies from individual to individual, the words you chose are a bit polarizing so I suggest a little more nuance. See our
Be Nice To Users rule -- this is even more important when replying to other people's threads. Dmoney405 is this thread's creator. That said:
Think about this; A friend of yours of more limited means (e.g. a poor student) who posts a new thread, may have gotten a great gift or cheap nonreturnable purchase that is still superior to a crappy 15-year old LCD monitor. Despite being far worse than your monitor. Discussion is welcome in all threads but anything polarizing/frustration-inducing/etc posted in other people's threads gets higher moderation priority. Dmoney405 is the creator of this thread, and the more polarizing criticisms to monitors should be ideally posted in your own original threads instead. Extra attention to constructive discussion needs to be given when replying to other people's threads. Please. Thank you.
