Asus VG279qm/VG259QM vs MSI MAG251RX. in depth comparison of the best IPS 240hz(i've tried them all,Amazon BAN incoming)

[forii]

Well,
I tested in game both 280Hz ELMB(80 OD) vs 240Hz ELMB(80 OD) and I will stick with 240hz ELMB, having 280hz at this point gives you nothing because I run ELMB. The enemies are without any blur anyway + I have lower response time compare to 280Hz /80 OD

Tested also G-sync + v-sync in NVCP with NULL at ultra, but the input lag are too much for me, I will put the adaptive sync off as you suggested, I would use g-sync combo in any single games for sure, not in fast FPS shooter when whoever shoot first - he wins.

Imo 280HZ/80 OD is for people who don't like ELMB and still want less blurry enemies with higher brightness.

That's sad MSI doesnt have ULMB, I actually fall in love in that feature, having less motion blur is the thing I loved on my previous TN panel.

[Chief Blur Buster]

280Hz does give slightly more refresh rate headroom to slightly improve 240Hz ELMB.

Currently, 1ms IPS is just a smidge slow for good crosstalk-free 240Hz strobing, but ELMB does look much better at 240Hz than 280Hz at this time.

[RLCSContender*]

SMH

UPDATE

i tested almost every 240hz IPS monitor. Knowing this will be my monitor for competitive titles for the next 2-4 yrs, and it came with a dead pixel(despite buying it brand new).

If return this, i'm going back to the 280hz asus or maybe the new alienware IIPS 25 inch model AW2521 (although i'm fairly certain it's just the 25 inch version of the 27 inch version that came out last year)

[forii]

280Hz does give slightly more refresh rate headroom to slightly improve 240Hz ELMB.

Currently, 1ms IPS is just a smidge slow for good crosstalk-free 240Hz strobing, but ELMB does look much better at 240Hz than 280Hz at this time.

Does ELMB on at 240HZ (80 OD) slow the response time? vs ELMB off at 240 (80 OD)?

Im not sure if this is correct but on my TN 144hz Panel with higher response time and in same game(CoD) when I do cap ingame fps to 140 then I see enemies jump out from the wall much faster.

On my 240Hz (80 OD) without ELMB there is some slighty higher time, and it is hard to me to see the enemy jump out from the wall, so I can shoot him.

Maybe it is because of the 144hz, because it doesnt have that good motion clarity and actually due of it I see enemy much faster compare to clear motion clarity on my 240Hz.

On 144hz - the enemy model jump further from the wall - I see part of 5 cm enemy model jump out from the wal
On 240hz - the enemy model show only a little bit first compare to 144hz, tl;dr - I see 5cm enemy model jump out from the wall first, so enemy model renders every 2cm instead of every 5cm, and in this time 144hz have advantage.

Hope you know what I mean, but in this case 240hz seems to be worse compare to 144hz.

[Kimpalon]

Hi, I registered on the forums today to start a thread about the vg259qm AND rocket league. So I feel like this is the right thread to bring this up.

I have played Rocket League on a 24" 144hz 1080p TN panel for 2 years, Acer xf240h. Just got a tax refund and wanted a new, fancier panel. Ended up getting the VG259QM. The max fps in Rocket League is 250.

I am getting horrible tearing, or artifacts, not sure which, at 240hz/uncapped fps. I go into freeplay, start jerking the camera around, and i see black lines everywhere. I film in slo-mo on my phone, best i can do, and see that it's actually tearing, really fast. If i use G-SYNC ON/V-SYNC in NVCP ON/V-sync ingame OFF/cap 237 it looks awesome, of course. If i lower the fps cap it also diminshes the lower i go. But i would really like to play with uncapped fps. And it also worries me what will happen in the future when i play other games. This is an investment that i will be using for years to come.

My question really: How come this is does not happen on my old TN at 144hz/uncapped fps? Is this a Rocket League problem, or the monitor? As mentioned, most pros play with 240hz/uncapped. I dont notice anything while playing DOOM eternal for example. Maybe because I am focused on the crosshair? Am I just not an IPS-guy..?

[RLCSContender*]

got my AW2521 the other day and it will be PACKED and ready to be returned(this is the quickest i've ever tested and returned a monitor).

Believe it or not, the new 25 inch alienware is the same AU optronics panel as the VG279qm and the MSI MAG251rx. But its overdrive implementation is horrible. Anything above the standard overdrive, there's overshoot. I measured at around 4.7-5.0ms g2g on my oscilloscpoe. on its standard overdrive. but it did clock in at .7 on some of its transitions on its "extreme" overdrive setting. it's fairly quick, but the overdrive implementation is awful. (then again, it's less subtle at 240hz).

I can confirm the new 25 inch AW panel isn't the same panel as its 27 inch predecessor 2720. it's using the same panel as the MSI and the 280hz asus models. except it's 8 bit(whereas the MSi is 10 bit)

[RLCSContender*]

Hi, I registered on the forums today to start a thread about the vg259qm AND rocket league. So I feel like this is the right thread to bring this up.

I have played Rocket League on a 24" 144hz 1080p TN panel for 2 years, Acer xf240h. Just got a tax refund and wanted a new, fancier panel. Ended up getting the VG259QM. The max fps in Rocket League is 250.

I am getting horrible tearing, or artifacts, not sure which, at 240hz/uncapped fps. I go into freeplay, start jerking the camera around, and i see black lines everywhere. I film in slo-mo on my phone, best i can do, and see that it's actually tearing, really fast. If i use G-SYNC ON/V-SYNC in NVCP ON/V-sync ingame OFF/cap 237 it looks awesome, of course. If i lower the fps cap it also diminshes the lower i go. But i would really like to play with uncapped fps. And it also worries me what will happen in the future when i play other games. This is an investment that i will be using for years to come.

My question really: How come this is does not happen on my old TN at 144hz/uncapped fps? Is this a Rocket League problem, or the monitor? As mentioned, most pros play with 240hz/uncapped. I dont notice anything while playing DOOM eternal for example. Maybe because I am focused on the crosshair? Am I just not an IPS-guy..?

I turn off any form of adaptive sync on my MSI MAG252rx but i don't really notice any tearing(sure, there's probably tearing but at 240hz on 250fps, i really have to look for it). But it doesnt' obstruct me from playing the smooth buttery gameplay the MSI provides(unlike my 60hz and 144 hz IPS monitors).

what GPU and CPu are you using and are they well synchronized? I'm using the rtx2070 gpu with a Ryzen 7 2700 cpu and i don't really notice much tearing leaving the FPS at 250 on a 240hz monitor.

but yes, the Meta is. TURNOFF g sync/free and maximize the 250hz framerate. You have the asus though, why aren't you using 280hz+elmb sync and modding the FPS from 250 to 300? U should consider taking advantage of your monitor's hardware capabilities.

[forii]

RLCScontender
I still thinking about that MSI, due to lack of fps, I often got fps around 160-200 fps than 200-280fps
what is the response time of the msi between 200-240 fps?
you said Asus is faster with fps above 200+ and msi is better for fps bellow 200 fps.

Does msi have ELMB or something like that?

[Kimpalon]

Hi, I registered on the forums today to start a thread about the vg259qm AND rocket league. So I feel like this is the right thread to bring this up.

I have played Rocket League on a 24" 144hz 1080p TN panel for 2 years, Acer xf240h. Just got a tax refund and wanted a new, fancier panel. Ended up getting the VG259QM. The max fps in Rocket League is 250.

I am getting horrible tearing, or artifacts, not sure which, at 240hz/uncapped fps. I go into freeplay, start jerking the camera around, and i see black lines everywhere. I film in slo-mo on my phone, best i can do, and see that it's actually tearing, really fast. If i use G-SYNC ON/V-SYNC in NVCP ON/V-sync ingame OFF/cap 237 it looks awesome, of course. If i lower the fps cap it also diminshes the lower i go. But i would really like to play with uncapped fps. And it also worries me what will happen in the future when i play other games. This is an investment that i will be using for years to come.

My question really: How come this is does not happen on my old TN at 144hz/uncapped fps? Is this a Rocket League problem, or the monitor? As mentioned, most pros play with 240hz/uncapped. I dont notice anything while playing DOOM eternal for example. Maybe because I am focused on the crosshair? Am I just not an IPS-guy..?

I turn off any form of adaptive sync on my MSI MAG252rx but i don't really notice any tearing(sure, there's probably tearing but at 240hz on 250fps, i really have to look for it). But it doesnt' obstruct me from playing the smooth buttery gameplay the MSI provides(unlike my 60hz and 144 hz IPS monitors).

what GPU and CPu are you using and are they well synchronized? I'm using the rtx2070 gpu with a Ryzen 7 2700 cpu and i don't really notice much tearing leaving the FPS at 250 on a 240hz monitor.

but yes, the Meta is. TURNOFF g sync/free and maximize the 250hz framerate. You have the asus though, why aren't you using 280hz+elmb sync and modding the FPS from 250 to 300? U should consider taking advantage of your monitor's hardware capabilities.

I load into free play on DFH Stadium, and start jerking the camera stick up and down. The arch thing above the field looks horrible, and I see a bunch of dark lines from the stands, the hexagons on the ground/walls and so on. It's very obvious at 240hz/250fps. On my old 144hz/250fps it looks smooth.

Huh, synchronized..? I have an 8600K @ 4.8, RTX 2070 super, 16gb RAM@3200, games on SSD.

Got the monitor last evening, I am trying all the capabilities/functions of course. I just found it strange that I get this tearing at native. Since the only thing i changed was a higher refresh rate. FPS cap 237 looks ok. 280hz+ELMB looks better. G-sync 101 looks even better than that. Idk. 280hz just seems a bit excessive to me.

I just tried capping my fps to 154 on my 144hz monitor and got a similar result. Maybe it's a perfect storm with +10 fps on that map. Either way, think I'm keeping the monitor. Enjoying it.

[js27]

Have you tried to disabling gsync? your problem might be it keeps turning on and off due to fps going above 240