House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by Unixko » 17 Nov 2020, 08:35

kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 04:23
Also another thing is:

This issue went away randomly for 3 days without me doing nothing. All my devices worked fine, on every single game, and on the same games had problems on all my devices. It was beautiful. No stutters, etc. No idea what happened. Then it randomly came back.
because this shit coming from neighbors obviously thats why you got 3 days without problem i get last year in summer 7 days without a problem because neighbors was on holidays

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by jorimt » 17 Nov 2020, 08:42

kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 03:22
I understand where you are coming from. But please hear me out when I say this is not related to game servers or something wrong with my PC.. I've tested MULITPLE brand new 4k + PC's tested, brand new high end PC's, Mobile, 3 ISP's, Monitors, TV's, Multiple PS4's, etc. The same games I test on my PC, all have the same stutters on a device such a PS4, and even Mobile. My PC runs smoothly in other places, and when I bring it back here , it doesn't.

These "stutters, or whatever is occurring" are definitely not normal. At times when I hop on Pubg, I have 250 fps, but the monitor clarity looks like shit and feels like its getting 30 FPS on a 280hz monitor, with terrible stutters, it runs the worse, and the same as it does on PS4/PC. (Multiple monitors, multiple PC's, ISP's) .In the discord im in, users can relate to this but it seems like my issue differs from the issues they have. They have input , terrible clarity non stop and every game is affected, and power conditioner solved their issues for 2 days until it came back. I don't get that and anything i've tried hasn't helped it one bit. For me, it seems like it differs by game, I don't know what is causing some to be bad and some atleast playable.. It could be error correcting, but I don't know much about how that works so I can't speak on that. I'll record a video later today and post it on here.
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 04:23
Also another thing is:

This issue went away randomly for 3 days without me doing nothing. All my devices worked fine, on every single game, and on the same games had problems on all my devices. It was beautiful. No stutters, etc. No idea what happened. Then it randomly came back.
If your PC runs smoother in other locations, your ping is low, your framerate is high, and this issue comes and goes, that points more to individual game netcode issues mixed with your house's internet connection.

I'm not sure how much you know about netcode and ISP, but each can cause havoc intermittently; you could have an amazing match one session, and then an abysmal one the next with no change to your hardware, all with low ping and an otherwise high framerate.

When you bring online games in the mix, performance is no longer solely dependent on your local hardware, but now on a combination of your ISP and the netcode of the game, where your (and every other players') inputs are interpreted and processed on remote computers, and then sent back to your local computer for feedback. This process and its efficiency can vary highly depending on ISP and individual game netcode implementation.

That said, I'm just giving you the most plausible explanation with the information you've provided thus far. If you truly think it's your house/electricity, then you've already found the ongoing thread discussing that:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6498&start=140#p59886

Fair warning though, I don't believe anyone there that claims this is their problem has fully solved their issue.
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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by Dieter » 17 Nov 2020, 14:17

kryztripleb wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 20:49
Dieter wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 19:17
I simply don't get why are people spending so much money to solve such kind of "stuttering" problems , when you could just get your own devices (PC Desktop , Monitor and everything you have connected in, PS5 or any other device you have problem with) to someone of your friend whom he is simply known for being a decent player and try at his room your devices? It's simple as that. I've seen a lot of people spent thousand of moneys miserably upgrading on something that was not defective, just there's no need to spend all this money on something that is invisible and really hard to be spot on before making sure what is causing it.

All my devices work at other places. As I said, this is not hardware related. This is something in/around my house.

Why would I spent so much money trying to fix an issue? I've spent over $10k on my setup and im suppose to not do anything to figure out why Im getting these stutters? and most games are unplayable, on pc, ps4 etc? Seems like an easy choice spending even $1000. You won't understand how it feels like until it happens to you.
Your post title basically implies that you are questing if you have issues with your power electricity at your house. So it means you are yet not sure about it.

The same thing remains again as well you spent couple of thousands of dollars to solve those issues you yet don't even know where and what is really actually causing it. Instead you could just call an professional electrician who has experience and enough understandings on EMI and needed equipment to analyze this kind of problems which you could fix it even for less than 200$ if there were nothing too serious in the main circuit of your house that caused those problems instead spending all this moneys on something that was no need to upgrade on.


And yeah ma fella, I indeed understand you completely and more than you think I do since I wouldn't even be here replying at this post if I wasn't sure about it in the first place. ;) As myself I encountered all those problems since my childhood but after studying and testing everything without spending any 'unbelievably high amount of moneys* I found the causes of it and am really close to solve this problem completely. it's all the matter of moneys on my side. ;)

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by wadge » 17 Nov 2020, 15:39

Dieter wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 14:17
kryztripleb wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 20:49
Dieter wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 19:17
I simply don't get why are people spending so much money to solve such kind of "stuttering" problems , when you could just get your own devices (PC Desktop , Monitor and everything you have connected in, PS5 or any other device you have problem with) to someone of your friend whom he is simply known for being a decent player and try at his room your devices? It's simple as that. I've seen a lot of people spent thousand of moneys miserably upgrading on something that was not defective, just there's no need to spend all this money on something that is invisible and really hard to be spot on before making sure what is causing it.

All my devices work at other places. As I said, this is not hardware related. This is something in/around my house.

Why would I spent so much money trying to fix an issue? I've spent over $10k on my setup and im suppose to not do anything to figure out why Im getting these stutters? and most games are unplayable, on pc, ps4 etc? Seems like an easy choice spending even $1000. You won't understand how it feels like until it happens to you.
Your post title basically implies that you are questing if you have issues with your power electricity at your house. So it means you are yet not sure about it.

The same thing remains again as well you spent couple of thousands of dollars to solve those issues you yet don't even know where and what is really actually causing it. Instead you could just call an professional electrician who has experience and enough understandings on EMI and needed equipment to analyze this kind of problems which you could fix it even for less than 200$ if there were nothing too serious in the main circuit of your house that caused those problems instead spending all this moneys on something that was no need to upgrade on.


And yeah ma fella, I indeed understand you completely and more than you think I do since I wouldn't even be here replying at this post if I wasn't sure about it in the first place. ;) As myself I encountered all those problems since my childhood but after studying and testing everything without spending any 'unbelievably high amount of moneys* I found the causes of it and am really close to solve this problem completely. it's all the matter of moneys on my side. ;)
Tell us a bit more, what would you do if you had the money ?

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by kryztripleb » 17 Nov 2020, 17:33

I have not spent thousands of dollars trying to fix this issue. I have purchased and returned products for testing. The only things I replaced were 1. I added a new SSD and removed all NVME/HDD and ran windows off that, cables/ethernet cables. Everything else was returned, but I kept the Furman power conditioner ($100) since it's nice to have.

Im in a position where if it's a definite fix, I don't mind spending thousands of dollars on it. This is worth spending due to the amount I've invested in my setup.

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by kryztripleb » 17 Nov 2020, 17:35

jorimt wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 08:42
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 03:22
I understand where you are coming from. But please hear me out when I say this is not related to game servers or something wrong with my PC.. I've tested MULITPLE brand new 4k + PC's tested, brand new high end PC's, Mobile, 3 ISP's, Monitors, TV's, Multiple PS4's, etc. The same games I test on my PC, all have the same stutters on a device such a PS4, and even Mobile. My PC runs smoothly in other places, and when I bring it back here , it doesn't.

These "stutters, or whatever is occurring" are definitely not normal. At times when I hop on Pubg, I have 250 fps, but the monitor clarity looks like shit and feels like its getting 30 FPS on a 280hz monitor, with terrible stutters, it runs the worse, and the same as it does on PS4/PC. (Multiple monitors, multiple PC's, ISP's) .In the discord im in, users can relate to this but it seems like my issue differs from the issues they have. They have input , terrible clarity non stop and every game is affected, and power conditioner solved their issues for 2 days until it came back. I don't get that and anything i've tried hasn't helped it one bit. For me, it seems like it differs by game, I don't know what is causing some to be bad and some atleast playable.. It could be error correcting, but I don't know much about how that works so I can't speak on that. I'll record a video later today and post it on here.
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 04:23
Also another thing is:

This issue went away randomly for 3 days without me doing nothing. All my devices worked fine, on every single game, and on the same games had problems on all my devices. It was beautiful. No stutters, etc. No idea what happened. Then it randomly came back.
If your PC runs smoother in other locations, your ping is low, your framerate is high, and this issue comes and goes, that points more to individual game netcode issues mixed with your house's internet connection.

I'm not sure how much you know about netcode and ISP, but each can cause havoc intermittently; you could have an amazing match one session, and then an abysmal one the next with no change to your hardware, all with low ping and an otherwise high framerate.

When you bring online games in the mix, performance is no longer solely dependent on your local hardware, but now on a combination of your ISP and the netcode of the game, where your (and every other players') inputs are interpreted and processed on remote computers, and then sent back to your local computer for feedback. This process and its efficiency can vary highly depending on ISP and individual game netcode implementation.

That said, I'm just giving you the most plausible explanation with the information you've provided thus far. If you truly think it's your house/electricity, then you've already found the ongoing thread discussing that:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6498&start=140#p59886

Fair warning though, I don't believe anyone there that claims this is their problem has fully solved their issue.

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by kryztripleb » 17 Nov 2020, 17:36

Dieter wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 14:17
kryztripleb wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 20:49
Dieter wrote:
16 Nov 2020, 19:17
I simply don't get why are people spending so much money to solve such kind of "stuttering" problems , when you could just get your own devices (PC Desktop , Monitor and everything you have connected in, PS5 or any other device you have problem with) to someone of your friend whom he is simply known for being a decent player and try at his room your devices? It's simple as that. I've seen a lot of people spent thousand of moneys miserably upgrading on something that was not defective, just there's no need to spend all this money on something that is invisible and really hard to be spot on before making sure what is causing it.

All my devices work at other places. As I said, this is not hardware related. This is something in/around my house.

Why would I spent so much money trying to fix an issue? I've spent over $10k on my setup and im suppose to not do anything to figure out why Im getting these stutters? and most games are unplayable, on pc, ps4 etc? Seems like an easy choice spending even $1000. You won't understand how it feels like until it happens to you.
Your post title basically implies that you are questing if you have issues with your power electricity at your house. So it means you are yet not sure about it.

The same thing remains again as well you spent couple of thousands of dollars to solve those issues you yet don't even know where and what is really actually causing it. Instead you could just call an professional electrician who has experience and enough understandings on EMI and needed equipment to analyze this kind of problems which you could fix it even for less than 200$ if there were nothing too serious in the main circuit of your house that caused those problems instead spending all this moneys on something that was no need to upgrade on.


And yeah ma fella, I indeed understand you completely and more than you think I do since I wouldn't even be here replying at this post if I wasn't sure about it in the first place. ;) As myself I encountered all those problems since my childhood but after studying and testing everything without spending any 'unbelievably high amount of moneys* I found the causes of it and am really close to solve this problem completely. it's all the matter of moneys on my side. ;)
I've spent thousands by running test but as I stated I've returned stuff that doesn't work. I was trying out anything that can help, and return it after. But i've kept a few things which are handy and nice to have and don't hurt the bank.

Yeah Im not sure what this issue is. That's why im on here. It's

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by kryztripleb » 17 Nov 2020, 17:41

kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 17:35
jorimt wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 08:42
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 03:22
I understand where you are coming from. But please hear me out when I say this is not related to game servers or something wrong with my PC.. I've tested MULITPLE brand new 4k + PC's tested, brand new high end PC's, Mobile, 3 ISP's, Monitors, TV's, Multiple PS4's, etc. The same games I test on my PC, all have the same stutters on a device such a PS4, and even Mobile. My PC runs smoothly in other places, and when I bring it back here , it doesn't.

These "stutters, or whatever is occurring" are definitely not normal. At times when I hop on Pubg, I have 250 fps, but the monitor clarity looks like shit and feels like its getting 30 FPS on a 280hz monitor, with terrible stutters, it runs the worse, and the same as it does on PS4/PC. (Multiple monitors, multiple PC's, ISP's) .In the discord im in, users can relate to this but it seems like my issue differs from the issues they have. They have input , terrible clarity non stop and every game is affected, and power conditioner solved their issues for 2 days until it came back. I don't get that and anything i've tried hasn't helped it one bit. For me, it seems like it differs by game, I don't know what is causing some to be bad and some atleast playable.. It could be error correcting, but I don't know much about how that works so I can't speak on that. I'll record a video later today and post it on here.
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 04:23
Also another thing is:

This issue went away randomly for 3 days without me doing nothing. All my devices worked fine, on every single game, and on the same games had problems on all my devices. It was beautiful. No stutters, etc. No idea what happened. Then it randomly came back.
If your PC runs smoother in other locations, your ping is low, your framerate is high, and this issue comes and goes, that points more to individual game netcode issues mixed with your house's internet connection.

I'm not sure how much you know about netcode and ISP, but each can cause havoc intermittently; you could have an amazing match one session, and then an abysmal one the next with no change to your hardware, all with low ping and an otherwise high framerate.

When you bring online games in the mix, performance is no longer solely dependent on your local hardware, but now on a combination of your ISP and the netcode of the game, where your (and every other players') inputs are interpreted and processed on remote computers, and then sent back to your local computer for feedback. This process and its efficiency can vary highly depending on ISP and individual game netcode implementation.

That said, I'm just giving you the most plausible explanation with the information you've provided thus far. If you truly think it's your house/electricity, then you've already found the ongoing thread discussing that:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6498&start=140#p59886

Fair warning though, I don't believe anyone there that claims this is their problem has fully solved their issue.

I don't believe this is anything to due with my ISP, since even when I disconnect myself from the internet completely, and hop into an offline game, the issue still occurs. Also I can put my PC/PS5 running side by side in the same match, and my PC runs terribly, while the PS5 runs smooth (as of now). Although with what I've read, new devices can take awhile before the issue occurs, but brand new PC's i've brought to my house and tested, the issues occurred right away.

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by kryztripleb » 17 Nov 2020, 18:22

Unixko wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 08:35
kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 04:23
Also another thing is:

This issue went away randomly for 3 days without me doing nothing. All my devices worked fine, on every single game, and on the same games had problems on all my devices. It was beautiful. No stutters, etc. No idea what happened. Then it randomly came back.
because this shit coming from neighbors obviously thats why you got 3 days without problem i get last year in summer 7 days without a problem because neighbors was on holidays
So what can I do to fix this? Have you had any success?

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Re: House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

Post by jorimt » 17 Nov 2020, 18:36

kryztripleb wrote:
17 Nov 2020, 17:41
I can put my PC/PS5 running side by side in the same match, and my PC runs terribly, while the PS5 runs smooth (as of now). Although with what I've read, new devices can take awhile before the issue occurs, but brand new PC's i've brought to my house and tested, the issues occurred right away.
I already gave you a possible reason for that difference (PC vs. PS5) in one of my previous posts; the PS5 streams in assets faster, potentially reducing frametime spikes.

As for the issue taking longer to show on new devices, I've never heard that claim (and it certainly isn't the case where game netcode or your ISP is concerned), unless those claiming it are suggesting that it begins to occur as your device is slowly damaged electrically by your house or some sort of other electrical interference, which would seem extreme to say the least, and if that were the case, I don't know why you would "wait" for it to happen, as it would instead be best for you to immediately unplug all your devices and call an electrician as to avoid further damage to your expensive equipment.

Anyway, as someone experienced in this subject, I'm just pointing out the most common, obvious, and viable known causes of what you're describing, but if you want to ultimately dismiss them and jump down a potentially endless rabbit hole of the unknown, that's entirely your prerogative, just get ready to spend a lot more money and time, experience a lot more stress, and not game (happily) for a while.

I think that's about all I can contribute at this point without repeating myself. Good luck.
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