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Mr1991 wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2022, 12:15

Some people will tell you otherwise, but I’m pretty confident this is true, since I built a secondary pc for my own personal requirements I noticed a few strange things, I built it for native Windows 7 use so it’s pretty old hardware, when I first built it I originally had some generic ram in it, I ordered some low latency ddr3 ram for it and when I first put it in I instantly noticed an improvement in mouse response, on desktop, at first I thought maybe the ram before hand was simply no good and that was the difference, but after a while this improvement in responsiveness seemed to diminish, back to the state of the older ram, I also bought a usb 2.0 pcie card, so I could have my keyboard on a separate usb controller to my mouse, same thing when I first installed it, thought to myself this is all I needed all along, loaded up a game I was playing, was miss clicking so much less, seemed like clicks just seemed to land more correctly, without me putting much thought into it, a bit of time goes by and as with the ram, it went back to its natural state after a day or so

Now this is where it gets strange imo, I took the pcie card out as I was testing an old ps/2 keyboard to potentially take any load off mouse input, everything was all ok, then, some time after, maybe a month or more, I re-plugged the pcie card to try it again… exact same thing, felt good again, if I let my spare components sit there for a while with no use, (I’d estimate maybe a week or so), it seems to fix that “infected” state, which some people like to call it, I’ve also noticed it to a lesser degree with mice, and other components, my issue is prob no way near as bad as yours, by the sound of it, but the “clean/responsive” vs “slightly dulled down” is still there, it’s mostly me being picky.

I just wanted to write this out because some people who claim the whole “infected” parts thing get labelled as whackos, I’m 99% confident it’s true, but some people say it’s permanent and you need to throw away “infected” peripherals/components, which isn’t true.

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2022, 20:25

I am not sure about that "infected" mouse and keyboard theory. I haven't noticed the difference even for one minute between many wired gaming mice, including S-Tier wireless Razer.

https://streamable.com/9ik4y2

What do you think about that? I can't really tell if it is abnormal.

Mr1991 wrote: ↑

24 Apr 2022, 13:46

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2022, 20:25

I am not sure about that "infected" mouse and keyboard theory. I haven't noticed the difference even for one minute between many wired gaming mice, including S-Tier wireless Razer.

https://streamable.com/9ik4y2

What do you think about that? I can't really tell if it is abnormal.

You can’t really judge it too much by clicking alone, mouse movement is a constant stream of thousands of input, which is why any discrepancies is going to be more noticeable moving the cursor around, (or moving the crosshair around in an fps), usually (imo) bad electricity will come across as if your inputs are smoothed out, or heavily watered down. And in worse cases some people see worsening of their monitor clarity

MontyTheAverage wrote: ↑

10 Apr 2022, 00:51

I forgot the possible electrical section is separate. I don't know how to move it there. Maybe admin will help.

Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2022, 19:14

MontyTheAverage wrote: ↑

10 Apr 2022, 00:51

I forgot the possible electrical section is separate. I don't know how to move it there. Maybe admin will help.

Moved for you.

If this is determined non-electrical (it's commonly wild goose chases / red herring, alas), we can move it back.

P.S. There's no such thing as an "infected" mouse or keyboard. The bigger problem is the cables of the mouse/keyboard is subject to interference -- moving a mouse cable 3 inches closer to a monitor power supply increased lag for 1 user. (Like the LG 5K WiFi problem that led to a LG monitor recall). There's a lot of non-product-recall situations (e.g. 100 true EMI situations out of 10,000 users) where one gadget is emitting so much EMI that it injects into a mouse cable or keyboard cable. Move all USB cables further away from your other electronics / power bricks.

Also, in high-wire-EMI situations, the best wireless gaming mice can have lower latency than wired mouse. This is rare, but this is one possible solution.

Sometimes the latency is port-related, not cable-related. USB hubs can get congested, especially if you buy multiple high-poll-Hz devices and hook to the same pair of USB ports on the motherboard. Another solution is USB roulette, as some USB ports go really noisy. USB Port Roulette To Reduce Latency: Try different USB ports, try a PCIe USB card, etc

Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2022, 19:14

MontyTheAverage wrote: ↑

10 Apr 2022, 00:51

I forgot the possible electrical section is separate. I don't know how to move it there. Maybe admin will help.

Moved for you.

If this is determined non-electrical (it's commonly wild goose chases / red herring, alas), we can move it back.

P.S. There's no such thing as an "infected" mouse or keyboard. The bigger problem is the cables of the mouse/keyboard is subject to interference -- moving a mouse cable 3 inches closer to a monitor power supply increased lag for 1 user. (Like the LG 5K WiFi problem that led to a LG monitor recall). There's a lot of non-product-recall situations (e.g. 100 true EMI situations out of 10,000 users) where one gadget is emitting so much EMI that it injects into a mouse cable or keyboard cable. Move all USB cables further away from your other electronics / power bricks.

Also, in high-wire-EMI situations, the best wireless gaming mice can have lower latency than wired mouse. This is rare, but this is one possible solution.

Sometimes the latency is port-related, not cable-related. USB hubs can get congested, especially if you buy multiple high-poll-Hz devices and hook to the same pair of USB ports on the motherboard. Another solution is USB roulette, as some USB ports go really noisy. USB Port Roulette To Reduce Latency: Try different USB ports, try a PCIe USB card, etc

Unixko wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2022, 10:22

our experience is different you need to explain that
when we got into a fixed place and try play there everything is ok
until we plug our mouse from our place where we have a problem, and again when we plug back a mouse from a perfect place everything is ok you can do that again and again

Mr1991 wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2022, 16:11

I disagree, like I said in a previous post if I leave certain hardware components around without usage for a week+, it can have a positive effect on my input, minimal, but it’s there.

That’s not to say that your idea of cables being close is wrong, tho, but that doesn’t mean other variables aren’t influencing effects, there’s multiple, multiple variables.

NJb wrote: ↑

10 May 2022, 17:48

Your story sounds awfully similar to mine. Read this: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=9113

You're literally the first one I've seen who realized the problem also comes from the devices that you plug in.
Sadly, no fix yet