05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[RLCSContender*]

shout out to blurbusters. Flew to monterrey mexico and won my very first MAJOR tournament in rocket league.

yes, the reason why i'm not posting as much anymore because i'm now an esports professional so i've been traveling around the world playing in variuos tournaments.

Thanks to the monitor of my choosing, that is what propelled me to become the best rocket league player in the world. Yes, the person who win the very recent rocket league MAJOR can claim they ARE the best rocket league player in the world.

But i wouldn't hvae gotten there had I pick the wrong monitor. So i give 99% credit to the monitor that i picked. TRUST me when i say this. If you want to be competitive, your MONITOR choice is probably the MOST important choice you will ever make.

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I think it's time to do the VG259QM review The King of Motion Clarity. The #1 overall motion clarity monitor. STROBE on and OFF. i will just copy and paste my oscilloscope logs and graphs/data.

however, im using the alienware a2521hfl. here's a video that i made of me playing on my monitor.

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i'm getting close to 900 FPS on rocket league

Damn, i wish there was a 1000hz monitor

[1mthedudeman]

shout out to blurbusters. Flew to monterrey mexico and won my very first MAJOR tournament in rocket league.

yes, the reason why i'm not posting as much anymore because i'm now an esports professional so i've been traveling around the world playing in variuos tournaments.

Thanks to the monitor of my choosing, that is what propelled me to become the best rocket league player in the world. Yes, the person who win the very recent rocket league MAJOR can claim they ARE the best rocket league player in the world.

But i wouldn't hvae gotten there had I pick the wrong monitor. So i give 99% credit to the monitor that i picked. TRUST me when i say this. If you want to be competitive, your MONITOR choice is probably the MOST important choice you will ever make.


I think it's time to do the VG259QM review The King of Motion Clarity. The #1 overall motion clarity monitor. STROBE on and OFF. i will just copy and paste my oscilloscope logs and graphs/data.

however, im using the alienware a2521hfl. here's a video that i made of me playing on my monitor.

Congrats on the W!

Curious why you are using the Alienware if the VG259QM seems best?

[RLCSContender*]

shout out to blurbusters. Flew to monterrey mexico and won my very first MAJOR tournament in rocket league.

yes, the reason why i'm not posting as much anymore because i'm now an esports professional so i've been traveling around the world playing in variuos tournaments.

Thanks to the monitor of my choosing, that is what propelled me to become the best rocket league player in the world. Yes, the person who win the very recent rocket league MAJOR can claim they ARE the best rocket league player in the world.

But i wouldn't hvae gotten there had I pick the wrong monitor. So i give 99% credit to the monitor that i picked. TRUST me when i say this. If you want to be competitive, your MONITOR choice is probably the MOST important choice you will ever make.


I think it's time to do the VG259QM review The King of Motion Clarity. The #1 overall motion clarity monitor. STROBE on and OFF. i will just copy and paste my oscilloscope logs and graphs/data.

however, im using the alienware a2521hfl. here's a video that i made of me playing on my monitor.

Congrats on the W!

Curious why you are using the Alienware if the VG259QM seems best?

the VG259QM has the best motion clarity IF the framerate is above 240hz. However, if the framerate is at 240hz(the rocket league maximum is 250), then the alienware has slightly less asymmetrical blur since it has a slightly faster response time(since the vg259qm has slightly slow darks thanks to its higher than average contrast ratio).. however, thinks are different at 280hz since there is 15% less motion blur and FASTER moving objects become LESS blurry.

also, the alienware has slightly less input lag and is excellent at 120hz as well (ps5/ps4).

yes, i've really thought this through. If I had to remember all the monitors i've tested, the VG259QM has by far has the best overall motion clarity. The alienware is far behind in motion clarity but it's slightly better in input lag and thje game i play caps at 250hz, so the clarity is better on the alienware if the framerate is 240hz or below.

if i ask somebody to play a game. Presuming of course he has 20/20 vision and he has SOME knowledge of how unwanted LCD motion artifacts work, i can bet he will pick the vg259qm.

however when it comes to pure competition and well rounded nature(120hz ps5), the alienware aw2521hfl does an excellente job. The game i play is the main reason why i picked the alienware over the 25" asus. Since rocket league caps at 250hz FPS

[RLCSContender*]

Read this before i crown the VG259QM as the king of motion clarity (PS, this is RLCScontender's criteria, but as an esports professional, you can take my word for it or not. But this is what the "PROS" use since I AM one.

Not all LCD artifacts are made equal. Some are definitely not deal breakers(TN's color shift for example isn't a dealbreaker if he sits directly in front of his mointor). however, i've compiled the motion artifacts that will automatically be disqualified. WHich means, if a monitor has one of these LCD artifacts; that monitor wilL LOSE instantly if compared to a monitor who doesn't.

I keep the criteria simple. The monitor with the LEAST unwanted LCD motion artifacts TAKES the king of motion clarity. The VG259QM fits that mold the best out of any other monitor in the world right now.(or the ones i've tested of course). Basically, if i ask someone to sit right in front of a monitor and he's an EXPERT at finding out the unwanted LCD motion artifacts, my bet is that he will pick the vg259qm, Alienware aw2521hfl, and msi mag251rx. (the big 3)


Here are dealbreakers. These are automatic. If a monitor has one of these deal breakers, it's an automatic loss already if it's compared with a monitor who doesn't.


DEALBREAKERS

1. Overshoot(regardless if it's 1%)
2. Intermittent pixel inversion artifacts (TN is disqualified)
3. Any monitor that isn't a 360hz monitor or a 240hz/280hz monitor(lower refresh rate means more motion blur)
4. any monitor LARGEr than 24.5". Sorry but i believe EYE TRACKING and focal point play a huge role in performance and 27" is far too big and wide to be competitive. I've explained this perfectly well in this post i made

Overshoot is a DEALBREAKER

any monitor larger than 24.5" is a dealbreaker(except the odyssey g7 32")

why is OVERSHOOT a dealbreaker?
That feint inverse ghosting you may see at 960 pixel speed(usually in Newbie lobbies or lobbies filled with beginners). In my in practice tests, that "feint inverse ghosting corona" will turn into a blazing blue fireball at 1440-1920 pixel speed(the higher ranked lobbies)

Just how slow is 960 pixel speed? in rocket league standards, it's VERY slow. That kind of speed is only seen in "bronze" ranked lobbies(the beginner rank in rocket league).

Here's a video i made. I made a training pack in rocket league and the moving ball crosses my monitor at exactly 2.00 seconds. Notice how slow 960 pixel speed is. Even the odyssey monitors passes this kind of speed. Also, most inverse ghosting monitors will pass.

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1440-1920 pixel speed. everything gets extremely ugly. Even the fastest monitors cannot process this kind of speed.

Here an image of the alienware aw2521hfl on "faster" on 1920 pixel speed. It almost looks like a blazing blue fireball(although OD faster has a lot of overshoot even at 960 speed, so most ppl would know this isn't the OD to play on from the get go) But to show everyone what "bad" overshoot looks like, here it is. (keep in mind, this is on an od setting that is noticeably bad even at 960 pixel speed, but for the sake of reference, here it is.

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Here's a more realistic photo I took of a "Monitor" that has feint inverse ghosting coronas at 960 pixel speed but will have noticeable bright trails if the rocket league ball goes as fast as 1920 pixel speed. Yes folks, that is 1% OVERSHOOT.

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that feint inverse ghosting corona you may see on those UFO ghosting tests is at 960 pixel speed. Sadly, it will have a much much brighter inverse ghosting corona if the pixel speed goes above 1080 pixel speed.

That is how i came to a conclusion that ANYTHING WITH INVERSE GHOSTING (WHETHER IT'S FEINT or not), is UNPLAYABLE. The only times most people would find 960 pixel speed is on NEWBIE lobbies or a lobby where everyone is camping(sniping).

why 24.5" only?. sorry guys but there are no Ifs ands or buts. Ff the monitor is larger than 24.5", I WILL NOT CONSIDER IT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMING especially in the context of this post(motion clarity). But here's proof of it.


For the acer predator to beat the MSI MAG251rx in competitive gaming, you would need to follow these steps.

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40-52 inches distance is good to match the 24-30 inch focal point of 24.5" monitors

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MSI focal point(24-30 inches)

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To summarize, more eye tracking=slower reaction times=you will LOSE on 50/50 situations. 50/50 situations account for 60% of gameplay in almost ANY competitive game. And i'm not talking about "EYE" tracking, but RETINAL TRACKING. . Moving your retina from one end of the screen to the other, if it's slower than your opponent, then your opponent will beat you almost every single time there's a 50/50 shootout.

i can talk about accomodation, Reticular activation system, Field of View, periph, 20/20, myopic, etc it will be too much trldr;rl. I''m a visual learner so here's a photo. The gist of it is this, 24.5" is more comfortable on the eyes and my retinal focal point is crystal clear when i track a moving object. Not only that but because of the size of the monitor, retinal tracking is WAY less compared to a 27" monitor owner. Me personally, when i move my retina from one side to another, it was a ridiculous 50ms-60ms. 50ms in gaming is A LOT OF TIME.




Why are pixel inversion artifacts a dealbreaker? (Sorry TN users, but unfortunately, this is synonymous with TN technology and AU optronics fast IPS monitors, only difference is, there are workarounds on the fast IPS AOU monitors, but for TN, there is no noticeable fixto pixel inversion artifacts)



From what I found, the most BUTTERY smooth gameplay that i have ever experienced came down to this.

Where GHOSTING ends but BEFORE overshoot begins.

based off a thousands of IN PRACTICE tests, ANY MONITOR where the response time has the least possible ghosting but never passing the point of no return(where overshoot begins). It came down to 3 monitors. I only CHOSE one monitor, and that is RLCSCOntender's MAIN and i will use this monitor to participate in RLCS season 10 and 11.

why is lower refresh rate a deal breaker?

Most people will say "it's hardly much of a difference from 144hz to 240hz. I beg to differ.( I would probably lose EVERY esports professionanal MATCH if i played at 144hz or 165hz refresh)

I put the fastest 1440p IPS 165hz monitor to the test the Nano LG viewsonic w/ variable overdrive (4.1ms g2g average) against my 240hz IPS monitor Alienware aw2521hfl

This is what 165hz vs 240hz looks like(keep in mind, this is among the fastest 1440p IPS monitors, the viewsonic NANO(which is slightly faster than the LG, so this isn't some "random" monitor, this is one of the fastest 1440p IPS monitors

Way too much motion blur for the 165hz viewsonic nano IPS. Whereas my 240hz alienware, although had some motion blur, it's good enough to not obstruct the way i play.

Dell Alienware AW2521HFL 240hz 1080p monitor



Viewsonic NANO IPS XG270QG 165hz 1440p monitor



here's the video i took. (if in case the skeptics here think i'm bsing)

viewsonic nano IPS

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Alienware 240hz monitor (aw2521hfl)

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sorry TN, no amount of fast response time(assymetrical blur) will save you from MOTION BLUR. The 360hz PG259QN will smash any TN in motion clarity, or any upcoming 360hz monitor.

asymmetrical blur aka ghosting based off my tests are INVISIBLE and extremely difficult to spot) especially if the refresh rate is above 200hz since you have less time viewing motion image retention artifacts

[Suibom]

shout out to blurbusters. Flew to monterrey mexico and won my very first MAJOR tournament in rocket league.

yes, the reason why i'm not posting as much anymore because i'm now an esports professional so i've been traveling around the world playing in variuos tournaments.

Thanks to the monitor of my choosing, that is what propelled me to become the best rocket league player in the world. Yes, the person who win the very recent rocket league MAJOR can claim they ARE the best rocket league player in the world.

But i wouldn't hvae gotten there had I pick the wrong monitor. So i give 99% credit to the monitor that i picked. TRUST me when i say this. If you want to be competitive, your MONITOR choice is probably the MOST important choice you will ever make.

I'm rather confused about multiple parts of this statement. Rocket League has no offline tournaments, all of RLCS X is online only. So I'm not sure what you mean by "travelling around the world playing in various tournaments", since right now, there are none offline. The recent Split 1 Major started on October the 18th and finished on October 26th, which was ONLINE:

https://liquipedia.net/rocketleague/Roc ... th_America

Spacestation Gaming won that Major and you're definitely not playing for Spacestation Gaming. So we would have to assume you're referring to a completely different tournament, but that doesn't make sense because you said "rocket league MAJOR" which would be the Split 1 Major.

I'm a competitive RL player and I follow the scene, so I think you need to clarify all of this. I've seen no evidence to accept what you're presenting as fact. Even your training videos make me highly suspicious as your mechanics do not appear to be close to the very best players in the game, I know, I'm 1850 in 2v2, played a decent amount of games against top players, since I get queued against them regularly. Again, some things seem rather odd about all of this.

You said "that is what propelled me to become the best rocket league player in the world. Yes, the person who win the very recent rocket league MAJOR can claim they ARE the best rocket league player in the world."

Again I repeat, you're not Sypical, Retals, or Arsenal. They are the 3 payers that won that split, I think I need to call Karl Pilkington in here.

[effjaysea]

I figured someone was going to expose this man eventually. Chief is about to work overtime on this thread lmao.

[Chief Blur Buster]

It’s great that resources at Blur Busters helps improve many players, at all classes and all levels, low and high.

But, I’ll put it on the record that I’d rather this thread focuses on technology itself, rather than esports bravado.

Historically I hobnob in person with million-view YouTubers and 100-view YouTubers, and I don’t give putdowns to the 100-view YouTuber or idolize the million-view — I’ll bump fists (or elbowbump safely). Was great meeting Linus Sebastian of LinusTechTips and I may even be a guest feature in some future LinusTechTips. I also know a local in my city who has an 8-million-subscriber YouTube channel in gaming.

But do I bravado the PCMR elites over the “console peasants”? Or the esports equivalent, or the have/havenots? No, I’m happy to welcome all of them and show them all the goods of high Hz. Elitism (whether by a million-dollar-earner or million-view YouTuber or incessant boasting of an esports champion) is generally discouraged when we just want to talk the virtues of high-Hz. I’ll teach you how to find a $100-$150 144Hz monitor as much as extoll the virtues of a $2000 TV or monitor.

One forum member here, does not advertise he’s the owner of a >10M-subscriber YouTube channel. I can totally appreciate the anonymity of many celebrity forum members here.

We’re all technology geeks and rather focus on the technology around here. I’m happy to hobnob at all levels, being the Founder of Blur Busters, I can wear suits when needed to a 66th storey boardroom, or wear my video game T-shirts working like a hacker in Visual Studio (Windows) or editing Makefiles for a GNU C++ project (Linux) at 4:30am ET.

That said, I don’t mind reading world news about my readers. It’s fun to show a link to your name mentioned on some high level esports scoreboard on an official website, as a useful context of your high-Hz equipment selection having helped a gaming career.

(I do not put down anyone in general, but I will putdown adults that bash kids or lesser programmers or lesser players or such. I don’t put down low-ranking players nor high-ranking players. That classist decorum is highly discouraged on Blur Busters since we talk tech in an egalitarian way around here.)

One can trash talk in the esports chats all they wish, but we’re the locker room after the handshaking that occurs after a football match. Rivalries are parked at the entrance door here at Blur Busters. Whether government politics or gaming organizations or other powderkegs completely utterly totally unrelated to high-Hz or advancing the temporal arts. So let’s not let rivalries/boasts/etc escalate, shall we...

It’s easy to take “I’m the best RLCS player” out of context when it might actually mean “I’m now able to play amongst the best RLCS players” (or something like that), but what matters more is actually seeing recorded scores/standings/etc on a reputable esports source, and preferably only as a small boast paragraph of a more contentful message.

I’m happy that Blur Busters resources is helping casual gamers and esports players alike do better hardware research, though!

No, I don’t plan to work overtime on this thread. I’ll throw some doses of reality now and then, to make sure things stay within Blur Busters decorum.

[Suibom]

You're right, I apologise if my post has caused some drama, will defo keep it to the main topic, I do think RLCSContender has put some very interesting and useful testing samples of those said monitors.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Also RLCSContender (in his next post) has a chance to address clarifications on his esports status with a link to online/video standings, it might be something mudane such as a more private invitational by a well known champ or something else revealed in a popular stream or news, rather than an official esports network or trophy. Basically an unofficial thing, like “off-the-official-channels” rather than “offline”

But yes, being the metaphorical locker room or school library, I’d rather stick to technology rather than bravado.

Yes, there’s good end-user tech talk here.

[RLCSContender*]

Edit. Okay, I take back what I said and wi prove to everyone that I am the best rocket league player on the planet. Give me until 11/20/2020 to show everyone my esports career.

So I will definitely show it with pictures too.

Just give me a little bit of time to wrap up my other projects since ppl are co.plai ing that im taking too long(esp. The vg259qm review)

Stay warm everyone. Ive been so busy lately. Esp when my i9 10900k crushed the amd ryzen 5950x in every game.

Challenge accepted.